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Phatguysrule said:
I will need to see him for a season or two without Simons and possibly see him under a new coach to know.
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Doesn't he have the same problem as Anfernee, in that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective but he's not a PG? (And also, he is a sieve on defense)
 
I don’t think he cares about the game much. No dog in him. I actually want to see him get bullied by like Dillon Brooks and see what happens. He seems like a little scardy cat
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Doesn't he have the same problem as Anfernee, in that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective but he's not a PG? (And also, he is a sieve on defense)
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Not really. He seemed to play pretty well with Scoot... And if this staff isn't getting Sharpe to play defense that's a problem with the staff. And possibly a problem with having him on the same team as Simons...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Does anyone still believe this? I mean, I guess I could convince myself that there's a star in there being held back by inept coaching and bad teammates, but it's getting pretty hard. His shooting seems worse and he just defers too much, and his defense is still laughable.
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I wouldn't say I believe it, I'd say its more likely he is not an answer than he is, but I do think theres a chance he is a very good starter some day. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd best player on a title contender. He has flashes where he looks like that is a very strong possibility. But most the time he looks like he doesn't have that upside.

Maybe it was similar to when Darius Miles was here, had flashes he looked great then totally irrelevant for other long stretches. Scoot is similar to Telfair in that he had huge pre draft hype but little substance after a year and a half.

I was hoping this season that we would see Scoot/Sharpe as key long term starters. Instead we should just treat them the same as Camara, Rupert, Banton, etc where they have some upside but they are guaranteed of being nothing. I'd be totally open to using our pick or acquiring in trade someone at their position(s).

Clingan has probably looked the best, but couldn't last a week of big minutes until the Blazers big man curse hit. Even if he gets healthy he'll probably always have limited minutes just with his archetype being played off the floor in some matchups. So again I'd be open to drafting or trading for someone else at that position too.
 
AldoTrapani said:
I don’t think he cares about the game much. No dog in him. I actually want to see him get bullied by like Dillon Brooks and see what happens. He seems like a little scardy cat
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Never thought I'd ever agree with you on much but you nailed this one. Seems to me in his mind he is already playing in Toronto. Unless he does actually and finally get some "dog" in him, he'll never be more than Robin to someone else's Batman....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Never thought I'd ever agree with you on much but you nailed this one. Seems to me in his mind he is already playing in Toronto. Unless he does actually and finally get some "dog" in him, he'll never be more than Robin to someone else's Batman....
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I wish I’m super wrong!
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Never thought I'd ever agree with you on much but you nailed this one. Seems to me in his mind he is already playing in Toronto. Unless he does actually and finally get some "dog" in him, he'll never be more than Robin to someone else's Batman....
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Would be happy if he was a Robin. If he can be "LaMarsha" as when we had Aldridge here thats fine. Worried that he might instead be the next Travis Outlaw.
 
I'm still all in on Shaedon. I think he'll still play in multiple all star games. This fucking franchise has put him in such an awkward spot, especially given his personality but once (or should I say if) the runway is clear for him we know he doesn't have a problem carrying this team when he has to. Mostly get Ant the fuck out of the way but send Jerami out as well. Then we'll see how far Shaedon's game has come since we turned the keys over to him at the end of his rookie season and from what I've seen he's added a lot to his game since then.

You have these three guys who are all good fourth options and have seemingly no leadership skills whatsoever, leading our team like they're LeBron, DWade and Bosh. It puts everyone in an unfair position where they're bound to underperform. The fact that Joe has let this go on for so long is fucking ridiculous.
 
Is Sharpe only a "Robin?"

Sharpe was the highest-scoring Trail Blazer in 3 of the 4 games where Simons didn't play.

In the Minnesota game where Sharpe scored 33 points, the next highest-scoring Trail Blazer (Clingan) scored 17 points, just about half of what Sharpe scored.


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blazerfan11 said:
Is Sharpe only a "Robin?"

Sharpe was the highest-scoring Trail Blazer in 3 of the 4 games where Simons didn't play.

In the Minnesota game where Sharpe scored 33 points, the next highest-scoring Trail Blazer scored 17 points, just about half of what Sharpe scored.



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I'm cool if Shaedon is the ONLY CAPABLE of being the second best player on a championship winning team. I think all of us know that we're still in need of a superstar player... Shaedon might end up a superstar but he'll need at least a running mate better than anyone on this current roster and it will be great if whoever we acquire is Batman to Shaedon's Robin.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Would be happy if he was a Robin. If he can be "LaMarsha" as when we had Aldridge here thats fine. Worried that he might instead be the next Travis Outlaw.
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You've just reminded me of the obnoxious, misogynistic LaMarsha bullshit, so thanks for that.
 
AldoTrapani said:
I don’t think he cares about the game much. No dog in him. I actually want to see him get bullied by like Dillon Brooks and see what happens. He seems like a little scardy cat
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that literally happened when we played Houston
 
blazerfan11 said:
Is Sharpe only a "Robin?"

Sharpe was the highest-scoring Trail Blazer in 3 of the 4 games where Simons didn't play.

In the Minnesota game where Sharpe scored 33 points, the next highest-scoring Trail Blazer (Clingan) scored 17 points, just about half of what Sharpe scored.


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Yeah, so what? You could have said the same about Billy Ray Bates. Billy Ray was a highlight machine, but inconsistent as hell. And he certainly wasn't "the future", no matter how high he got our hopes. Sharpe still does not have a"body of work" and that goes all the way back to Kentucky. He's shown flashes but I certainly wouldn't bet the farm on him. I personally still have huge questions about how mentally invested he is in the game, and especially playing it in Portland. I'd love to be wrong but fifty plus years of Blazer fandom has made me a realist. Sharpe still has a long way to go to prove himself.....at least to me. Fortunately he's still quite young....
 
Guys like Mitchell, Booker and Edwards were basically given the green light to be the guy on their team right off the bat.

Which is what Sharpe should have right now. Instead we got Grant and Simons thinking they’re the guys.

When given the green light to be the guy for that stretch. We won and Sharpe’s numbers looked equivalent to those players when they were 21
 
I don't know whether Sharpe is just a potential Khris Middleton on steroids or if he's the next Kobe but I want to say people are forgetting what Prep to Pro prospects used to look like. Due to him leaving Kentucky early, Sharpe is the closest thing to a Prep to Pro prospect since before it was banned. It's similar with Giannis, who was drafted after what would've been his HS senior year in the US.

When you look at Kobe, McGrady, Giannis during their 3rd year, I think you'll see the stats are similar to Sharpe. 17-20ppg per 36 minutes. His efficiency is a little behind but with him deferring to Ayton, Simons, Grant, etc, you don't get to see him find his rhythm. He needs touches and not just in a "Take 13 shots out of rhythm, split up into different quarters" kind of touches that he's been getting under the current system. There needs to be a full reign to mess up approach and that's difficult with him being designated as a spot up shooter who defers to the older guys (Ayton, Grant, Simons, and Banton) who want to take the ball for whatever reason and don't want to look anywhere else except the rim.

Also, for the life of me, I cannot understand why Sharpe and Deni aren't playing together more. They're the only two players that demonstrate some semblance of offensive chemistry when placed together since they actively look for one another and move in conjunction with the other. There's no reason to separate them so much when you could potentially develop a Kobe-Odom dynamic here.

I'll also continue to hammer down my belief that Sharpe needs to live on that mid-range game if his three point isn't falling. When he jumps straight up, it's difficult to block and it's practically like shooting a free throw over others due to his hang time. Since his handle is still a work in progress, he should focus on just doing the minimum by passing the three point line and becoming a "zone busting" mid-range shooter. Sure, the mid-range may be considered obsolete to stat geeks but in actuality, what it does is space the floor up for teammates while also allowing the mid-range shooter to get close enough to penetrate and kick out/attack. Or it allows enough space for a reset against zone defenses by retreating back across the three point line. This is what Sharpe can do to become not just a better three level scorer in this league but also a playmaker and being in range to grab rebounds, as well.

We've seen him do this, mind you. His most successful games involve something like this
 
AldoTrapani said:
I don’t think he cares about the game much. No dog in him. I actually want to see him get bullied by like Dillon Brooks and see what happens. He seems like a little scardy cat
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What fight could a player possibly have in him when every boss he has is saying “you’re not good enough so we’re going to play bad on purpose to get the really good player next year”? I’d be working as little as possible waiting for when it’s time to actually win… tanking is bullshit and does horrible things to team culture.
 
Everything Beagle said:
What fight could a player possibly have in him when every boss he has is saying “you’re not good enough so we’re going to play bad on purpose to get the really good player next year”? I’d be working as little as possible waiting for when it’s time to actually win… tanking is bullshit and does horrible things to team culture.
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I don’t believe it’s tanking if you just trade away the vets that are taking the PT from guys who aren’t quite ready yet.

I can’t stress enough how much we need to get rid of the vets, Beags.
 
These are the last 10 games of Sharpe's rookie season. He looked pretty good for a rookie, 23.7 points per game.

However, to begin the next season, Chauncey Billups started a backcourt of Scoot Henderson and Anfernee Simons.

To me, Billups should have been fired immediately for that starting backcourt if Sharpe was fully healthy (which I assume he was).

Billups started Simons, Scoot Henderson and Matisse Thybulle instead of him.

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blazerfan11 said:
These are the last 10 games of Sharpe's rookie season. He looked pretty good for a rookie, 23.7 points per game.

However, to begin the next season, Chauncey Billups started a backcourt of Scoot Henderson and Anfernee Simons.

To me, Billups should have been fired immediately for that starting backcourt if Sharpe was fully healthy (which I assume he was).

Billups started Simons, Scoot Henderson and Matisse Thybulle instead of him.

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How do you know he was not told that he needs to start Ant? He was the face of the franchise on billboards/etc. that year. Even after having drafted Sharpe, and then Scoot, it was Ants face everywhere.
 
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