Shaedon Sharpe is our future

[Everything Beagle]

I don’t believe it’s tanking if you just trade away the vets that are taking the PT from guys who aren’t quite ready yet.

I can’t stress enough how much we need to get rid of the vets, Beags.

I agree that getting rid of the coach and vets and letting the kids play would be so much better than this. But the more they don’t do that, the more I have to think it’s on purpose. And I think that is BS.

 

[blazerfan11]

How do you know he was not told that he needs to start Ant? He was the face of the franchise on billboards/etc. that year. Even after having drafted Sharpe, and then Scoot, it was Ants face everywhere.

Sharpe should have been in the starting unit from the beginning of the 2023-24 season.

I don't know whose decision it was for Sharpe not to be a starter, but whomever it is should be removed.

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

Sharpe / Deni
Cling Kong / TimeLord
Ant
Grant
Lebron

play to win

Ayton + Scoot + Camara + 1st round pick

(we agree to take Bronny) and Lebron

Go on a win-streak of 16 of 20 games and our record becomes 24 and 20 and looking solid

believe me - we can tank hard and still wont get Flagg. And Scoot is not (sorry). Lebron can mentor Sharpe.

Sharpe and Clingan are the future. Lebron will retire and the Blazers can continue rebuilding.

This tanking crap is out of control and the only thing happening is that we are creating a losing culture! Its awful to watch!!

Oh! Lebron and investor group (Carmelo!) then buys the team from Jody.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sharpe / Deni
Cling Kong / TimeLord
Ant
Grant
Lebron

play to win

Ayton + Scoot + Camara + 1st round pick

(we agree to take Bronny) and Lebron

Go on a win-streak of 16 of 20 games and our record becomes 24 and 20 and looking solid

believe me - we can tank hard and still wont get Flagg. And Scoot is not (sorry). Lebron can mentor Sharpe.

Sharpe and Clingan are the future. Lebron will retire and the Blazers can continue rebuilding.

This tanking crap is out of control and the only thing happening is that we are creating a losing culture! Its awful to watch!!

Oh! Lebron and investor group (Carmelo!) then buys the team from Jody.

LeBron doesn't fix the tanking - he's 40 and can't defend a chair. That Blazers roster wouldn't even make the playin.

The last time to make a win now trade was when we had #3 Ant Sharpe but Dame here. That ship has sailed.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I didn't realize until tonight that Dyson Daniels is leading the league in both steals and deflections and it's not close. Although his shooting is not improving, he is averaging 14.6 points a game. He was drafted right after Sharpe.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I didn't realize until tonight that Dyson Daniels is leading the league in both steals and deflections and it's not close. Although his shooting is not improving, he is averaging 14.6 points a game. He was drafted right after Sharpe.

He's been amazing this year, better than Dejounte straight up. Yes much better than Sharpe too.

 

[blazerfan11]

I didn't realize until tonight that Dyson Daniels is leading the league in both steals and deflections and it's not close. Although his shooting is not improving, he is averaging 14.6 points a game. He was drafted right after Sharpe.

Daniels improvement came after being traded and being in a better situation.

Hopefully for Sharpe, it's other players being traded that improves his situation.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Daniels improvement came after being traded and being in a better situation.

Hopefully for Sharpe it's other players being traded that improves his situation.

Yes seems that Atlanta has been a great situation for him. But its also hard to know as players can make such huge improvements in year 3 that he might have made similar improvements in New Orleans. With their injuries he'd probably have had even more offensive opportunities than he has had in Atlanta.

The problem here is all 3 of our vets in Ayton, Grant, Ant. The worst defender on the team might actually be Ayton which is saying a lot because Ant is horrible. I think you could even potentially have Ant stay here if both Grant and Ayton were moved. Trae is the Hawks version of Ant but the difference is all their wings and bigs play defense, follow the teams offense gameplan, and hustle on both sides of the ball. Quinn Snider also has been a good coach with two franchises as well as a team succeeding in the playoffs. But Quinn looked much worse when Murray was on that squad last year, so personnel is certainly the main component of these teams executing better.

I'd aim to trade Ant too - but really I just think it needs to be any TWO of our three vets shipped out as one of them on their own would likely be fine.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I didn't realize until tonight that Dyson Daniels is leading the league in both steals and deflections and it's not close. Although his shooting is not improving, he is averaging 14.6 points a game. He was drafted right after Sharpe.

Flashback.

Worth noting that he was also a G-League Ignite player, like Scoot, Kuminga and Jalen Green. Maybe it takes 3 years to shake off the stink.

 

[blazerkor]

In this interview Shaedon talks about coming in late at night to get more shots up and get his confidence back. I don't think that matches the narrative that so many on here are pushing that Shaedon doesn't want it bad enough. Again I think it's a fact that the seniority of Ant and Jerami fucks Shaedon up. I think that's all there is to it. Shaedon listened to everyone say they were the two best players on the team all last season and he definitely defers to them, especially Ant.

If both guys go, or only Ant, then I expect Shaedon's game to pop to a different level.

 

[sheed30]

In this interview Shaedon talks about coming in late at night to get more shots up and get his confidence back. I don't think that matches the narrative that so many on here are pushing that Shaedon doesn't want it bad enough. Again I think it's a fact that the seniority of Ant and Jerami fucks Shaedon up. I think that's all there is to it. Shaedon listened to everyone say they were the two best players on the team all last season and he definitely defers to them, especially Ant.

If both guys go, or only Ant, then I expect Shaedon's game to pop to a different level.

Dude you're cringe, putting all the blame on Ant and Grant is hella silly. You guys have tunnel vision.

Sharpe is at his highest usage this year.

Sharpe is averaging just as many shot attempts pre game as Ant, yet he is shooting 27% from 3's this year, and he has actually regressed in 3's since his rookie year.

Year 1 - 36% on 3's
Year 2- 33% on 3's
Year 3 - 27% on 3's

Sharpe stats last year when playing with Ant were identical as to when he played without Ant.

So, Ant is the reason Sharpe has regressed in 3's since his rookie year?

Hilarious

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I wonder if the pressure of a contract year is getting to Sharpe? If he shot well from 3 he'd likely be getting a massive extension in the summer, with his athleticism it might even be near the max.

So that might be $100-200 million he is costing himself by shooting so poorly from 3.

On the one hand I can kind of see that being a reasonable factor, but on the other hand thats probably not a good indicator of how he could eventually perform in the playoffs or other high pressure situations.

 

[inconceivable]

I wonder if the pressure of a contract year is getting to Sharpe? If he shot well from 3 he'd likely be getting a massive extension in the summer, with his athleticism it might even be near the max.

So that might be $100-200 million he is costing himself by shooting so poorly from 3.

On the one hand I can kind of see that being a reasonable factor, but on the other hand thats probably not a good indicator of how he could eventually perform in the playoffs or other high pressure situations.

It's even more incentive for him to do well. The rookie contract set's him for life (if he is responsible) The first extension can set his descendants for life

 

[blazerkor]

Dude you're cringe, putting all the blame on Ant and Grant is hella silly. You guys have tunnel vision.

Sharpe is at his highest usage this year.

Sharpe is averaging just as many shot attempts pre game as Ant, yet he is shooting 27% from 3's this year, and he has actually regressed in 3's since his rookie year.

Year 1 - 36% on 3's
Year 2- 33% on 3's
Year 3 - 27% on 3's

Sharpe stats last year when playing with Ant were identical as to when he played without Ant.

So, Ant is the reason Sharpe has regressed in 3's since his rookie year?

Hilarious

Ant has missed 3 games this season. They were after Shaedon got back from injury.

Shaedon scored 33, 32 and 21 in those games against the Wolves, Hawks and Thunder all teams above .500 and not that we're trying to win right now but we beat 2 out of those 3 teams.
He shot 10-26 (38%) from three vs the 27% that he's shot from three overall this season.
He went 29-60 (48%) from the floor overall vs the 43% he's shot overall this season.
He got to the free throw line 25 times 8.3 times per game vs the 3.7 times per game he's averaging this season.

This isn't me calling out Ant and saying he's a bad teammate or some shit like that, it's (like I said in the previous post) obviously Shaedon that defers to Ant. I'm giving you this very clear statistical picture because I've been asking you to watch what Ant does to Shaedon's game but you have a huge blind sport when it comes to Ant so you'll just have to trust the stats while the rest of us can clearly see that even within games that Shaedon is much better when he's on the floor without Ant than with him. Clear to most of us but not so much to you.

Ant needs to go.

 

[sheed30]

Ant has missed 3 games this season. They were after Shaedon got back from injury.

Shaedon scored 33, 32 and 21 in those games against the Wolves, Hawks and Thunder all teams above .500 and not that we're trying to win right now but we beat 2 out of those 3 teams.
He shot 10-26 (38%) from three vs the 27% that he's shot from three overall this season.
He went 29-60 (48%) from the floor overall vs the 43% he's shot overall this season.
He got to the free throw line 25 times 8.3 times per game vs the 3.7 times per game he's averaging this season.

This isn't me calling out Ant and saying he's a bad teammate or some shit like that, it's (like I said in the previous post) obviously Shaedon that defers to Ant. I'm giving you this very clear statistical picture because I've been asking you to watch what Ant does to Shaedon's game but you have a huge blind sport when it comes to Ant so you'll just have to trust the stats while the rest of us can clearly see that even within games that Shaedon is much better when he's on the floor without Ant than with him. Clear to most of us but not so much to you.

Ant needs to go.

First of all, you didn't answer my question.

You are using 3 games a sample size, which is hilarious, yet you didn't want to answer me asking why Sharpe has regressed in each year shooting the 3? Is that Ant's fault? Sharpe's stats, which was way more than your little 3 games, last year was the same with or without Ant, and a lot bigger sample size than 3 games.

I love how you dodged the question about why Sharpe's 3 % has regressed each year lol

 

[Phatguysrule]

First of all, you didn't answer my question.

You are using 3 games a sample size, which is hilarious, yet you didn't want to answer me asking why Sharpe has regressed in each year shooting the 3? Is that Ant's fault? Sharpe's stats, which was way more than your little 3 games, last year was the same with or without Ant, and a lot bigger sample size than 3 games.

I love how you dodged the question about why Sharpe's 3 % has regressed each year lol

Sharpe's 3-point percentage has probably regressed each year because he is not in a great situation.

Since he has the most potential of anybody on our team we should probably do what it takes to put him in a great situation.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sharp 3-point percentage has probably regressed each year because he is not in a great situation.

Since he has the most potential of anybody on our team we should probably do what it takes to put him in a great situation.

Trade him to Miami?

Do right by Sharpe?

 

[blazerkor]

First of all, you didn't answer my question.

You are using 3 games a sample size, which is hilarious, yet you didn't want to answer me asking why Sharpe has regressed in each year shooting the 3? Is that Ant's fault? Sharpe's stats, which was way more than your little 3 games, last year was the same with or without Ant, and a lot bigger sample size than 3 games.

I love how you dodged the question about why Sharpe's 3 % has regressed each year lol

All there is to his shooting numbers is that he isn't being developed properly and the biggest part of that is having to play with Ant.

I hate doing the fucking leg work for you but here it is again. March was Shaedon's best three point shooting month in his rookie season the volume and percentage of threes he shot that month pumped up the overall number you pointed to, he only had to play with Ant 6 of 16 games that month and his shooting volume was down severely in the games Ant played.

Shaedon's January games last season tanked his overall three point numbers and that was after his injury started bothering him and before his surgery, so last season's three point shooting percentage wasn't due to playing with Ant but his overall usage very much seemed to be .

This season he's mercilessly had to play with Ant all but 3 of his 18 games... he lit it up those three games. Even though three games is a small set, 3 out of 18 isn't a small sample size. Also just the way those 3 games jump off the page when looking at his game log should tell you what you need to know.

If Ant gets traded or sits and Shaedon gets to do his thing after the trade deadline, his three point numbers will surge like they did in that three game sample and in March of his rookie season.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

All there is to his shooting numbers is that he isn't being developed properly and the biggest part of that is having to play with Ant.

I hate doing the fucking leg work for you but here it is again. March was Shaedon's best three point shooting month in his rookie season the volume and percentage of threes he shot that month pumped up the overall number you pointed to, he only had to play with Ant 6 of 16 games that month and his shooting volume was down severely in the games Ant played.

Shaedon's January games last season tanked his overall three point numbers and that was after his injury started bothering him and before his surgery, so last season's three point shooting percentage wasn't due to playing with Ant but his overall usage very much seemed to be .

This season he's mercilessly had to play with Ant all but 3 of his 18 games... he lit it up those three games. Even though three games is a small set, 3 out of 18 isn't a small sample size. Also just the way those 3 games jump off the page when looking at his game log should tell you what you need to know.

If Ant gets traded or sits and Shaedon gets to do his thing after the trade deadline, his three point numbers will surge like they did in that three game sample and in March of his rookie season.

Well that is the only explanation, 100%!

Or maybe Sharpe just isn't as good as many hoped at shooting.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Well that is the only explanation, 100%!

Or maybe Sharpe just isn't as good as many hoped at shooting.

There's only one way to find out... And there's not much of a reason to keep Ant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

All there is to his shooting numbers is that he isn't being developed properly and the biggest part of that is having to play with Ant.

I hate doing the fucking leg work for you but here it is again. March was Shaedon's best three point shooting month in his rookie season the volume and percentage of threes he shot that month pumped up the overall number you pointed to, he only had to play with Ant 6 of 16 games that month and his shooting volume was down severely in the games Ant played.

Shaedon's January games last season tanked his overall three point numbers and that was after his injury started bothering him and before his surgery, so last season's three point shooting percentage wasn't due to playing with Ant but his overall usage very much seemed to be .

This season he's mercilessly had to play with Ant all but 3 of his 18 games... he lit it up those three games. Even though three games is a small set, 3 out of 18 isn't a small sample size. Also just the way those 3 games jump off the page when looking at his game log should tell you what you need to know.

If Ant gets traded or sits and Shaedon gets to do his thing after the trade deadline, his three point numbers will surge like they did in that three game sample and in March of his rookie season.

Almost certainly.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Trade him to Miami?

Do right by Sharpe?

I liked this assuming green font.

 

[HailBlazers]

 

[wizenheimer]

interesting comparison...fleshing it out a little more:

 

[sheed30]

All there is to his shooting numbers is that he isn't being developed properly and the biggest part of that is having to play with Ant.

I hate doing the fucking leg work for you but here it is again. March was Shaedon's best three point shooting month in his rookie season the volume and percentage of threes he shot that month pumped up the overall number you pointed to, he only had to play with Ant 6 of 16 games that month and his shooting volume was down severely in the games Ant played.

Shaedon's January games last season tanked his overall three point numbers and that was after his injury started bothering him and before his surgery, so last season's three point shooting percentage wasn't due to playing with Ant but his overall usage very much seemed to be .

This season he's mercilessly had to play with Ant all but 3 of his 18 games... he lit it up those three games. Even though three games is a small set, 3 out of 18 isn't a small sample size. Also just the way those 3 games jump off the page when looking at his game log should tell you what you need to know.

If Ant gets traded or sits and Shaedon gets to do his thing after the trade deadline, his three point numbers will surge like they did in that three game sample and in March of his rookie season.

You typed all that and you still don’t make sense or can’t put any of that on Ant. Come on bro, you are grasping at straws.

How about this, actually from the Portland papers today, Sharpe had a 6 game stretch this year, in that stretch playing 3 games with out Ant and 3 games with him, where he averaged during that stretch, Sharpe scored 23.3 points per game on 45.1% shooting and 41.9% from beyond the arc. He has also had good games playing with Ant too at other times.

so you said 3 games is a sample size and using that to grasp at straws because you’re a Ant hater, well guess that that’s a 6 game stretch and 3 game with Ant in that time, so my sample size is better than yours and just shows it’s nothing to do with Ant.

the sample size from last season playing with or without Ant and Sharpe having the same stats is once again a bigger sample size than your 3 games too lmao. Nice try but you just love to spite out junk on here.

Sharpe is shooting 55% on 2’s this year. He has no problem there when he is slashing to the hoop or pulling up for mid ranges. It’s his 3’s man. And how do you know how many of those 3’s are misses when Ant ISNT even in the game??? Stop sounding silly man really

You have such tunnel vision it’s not even funny. You got the other clown saying his shooting is down because he isn’t in a good situation hahah, yet about someone else that isn’t shooting well like Scoot, he will say he simply needs to get more reps up in the gym yada yada. Basically you guys have a damn excuse for everything, when avoiding the obvious:

Maybe Sharpe isn’t that good of a 3 point shooter, it isn’t rocket science at all and Ant is not the reason for Sharpes decline each year in 3’s, nice try but it’s a joke you still harp on that.

Or maybe teams are focusing more on Sharpe defensively?

the only thing that needs to go is your cringe Ant hating posts.

 

[sheed30]

Well that is the only explanation, 100%!

Or maybe Sharpe just isn't as good as many hoped at shooting.

Ya more like the more common reason why, but you know, tunnel vision is a bitch and crying its all on Ant is hilarious.

If and when we trade Ant, if Sharpe’s 3’s don’t improve I’m going to remind them daily in here hahaha

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ya more like the more common reason why, but you know, tunnel vision is a bitch and crying its all on Ant is hilarious.

If and when we trade Ant, if Sharpe’s 3’s don’t improve I’m going to remind them daily in here hahaha

Ant needs to go regardless of Scoot and Sharpe. He's not a cornerstone player. But with Scoot and Sharpe here he definitely needs to go.

If Scoot or Sharpe aren't good enough they'll need to go as well.

 

[blazerkor]

You typed all that and you still don’t make sense or can’t put any of that on Ant. Come on bro, you are grasping at straws.

How about this, actually from the Portland papers today, Sharpe had a 6 game stretch this year, in that stretch playing 3 games with out Ant and 3 games with him, where he averaged during that stretch, Sharpe scored 23.3 points per game on 45.1% shooting and 41.9% from beyond the arc. He has also had good games playing with Ant too at other times.

so you said 3 games is a sample size and using that to grasp at straws because you’re a Ant hater, well guess that that’s a 6 game stretch and 3 game with Ant in that time, so my sample size is better than yours and just shows it’s nothing to do with Ant.

the sample size from last season playing with or without Ant and Sharpe having the same stats is once again a bigger sample size than your 3 games too lmao. Nice try but you just love to spite out junk on here.

Sharpe is shooting 55% on 2’s this year. He has no problem there when he is slashing to the hoop or pulling up for mid ranges. It’s his 3’s man. And how do you know how many of those 3’s are misses when Ant ISNT even in the game??? Stop sounding silly man really

You have such tunnel vision it’s not even funny. You got the other clown saying his shooting is down because he isn’t in a good situation hahah, yet about someone else that isn’t shooting well like Scoot, he will say he simply needs to get more reps up in the gym yada yada. Basically you guys have a damn excuse for everything, when avoiding the obvious:

Maybe Sharpe isn’t that good of a 3 point shooter, it isn’t rocket science at all and Ant is not the reason for Sharpes decline each year in 3’s, nice try but it’s a joke you still harp on that.

Or maybe teams are focusing more on Sharpe defensively?

the only thing that needs to go is your cringe Ant hating posts.

You don't understand what I'm saying. I like Ant. I don't blame HIM for anything. I think Chauncey could have Ant playing a different role but more likely it's Joe's fault for keeping Ant on the team this long. Ant is doing what he does, he gets buckets, gets some opportunistic assists and sucks on defense. That is valuable to a few teams playing to win right now but those skills on offense take opportunities away from guys that we are hoping will develop to be better and more well rounded than Ant and on defense what he does puts young guys in positions to fail constantly. He's just not a good player to have on a rebuilding team (not his fault) and definitely not a good player to be leading a rebuilding team (again not his fault). It also wasn't his fault that he was set up to fail by being paired in a back court with Dame the season after he signed his big new deal.

The organization is putting Ant and our young guys in positions to fail at what their goals should be. Ant should be trying to get buckets and keeping defenses honest with good passing when they collapse on him or trap him and he should be trying to get better on defense. The first of those hinders the development of this young team and the second is really difficult when all of the guys around you are just learning D. As for the young guys and specifically Shae, he just has to get better in all areas and on offense that's getting reps and Ant cuts into those reps, naturally (not criticizing Ant just the roster construction). On defense Ant isn't a good defender so he is also making it close to impossible for Shae and others to get better on D.

Not a bad player, not a bad guy, just a bad fit for what this team should be trying to do.

 

[beast blazer]

interesting comparison...fleshing it out a little more:

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Kobe never really became a good shooter, 33% from 3 on his career, and a TS% of 55%, despite how much he got to the FT line.

But he was on the all defense team many times, and he was also clutch, which is something that doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. We haven't seen those traits from Sharpe yet.

The same is true of a lot of stars. Clyde's career TS was also 55% but he did a lot of other things. So I'd be more worried about other aspects of Sharpe's game, than a few percentage points of TS%.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Kobe never really became a good shooter, 33% from 3 on his career, and a TS% of 55%, despite how much he got to the FT line.

But he was on the all defense team many times, and he was also clutch, which is something that doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. We haven't seen those traits from Sharpe yet.

The same is true of a lot of stars. Clyde's career TS was also 55% but he did a lot of other things. So I'd be more worried about other aspects of Sharpe's game, than a few percentage points of TS%.

Two other major components to this
1. TS was way lower in the Clyde/Kobe era. There was hand checking, more crowded defenders, and less efficient offense so all of the players had lower TS
2. Kobe Drexler had very high usage. This means they were taking tons of shots against the shot clock and against tough half court defense. Somebody on the team needs to take those shots but it will lower that individual TS while teammates are getting their shots in more efficient situations