Sharpe's ceiling

[Tince]

I think his ceiling is top 10 player.

My expectation is he'll be a borderline all-star in his prime.

 

[Tince]

It's revisiont to denigrate Shaedon because he supposedly doesn't possess this myhtical killer instict by comparing to Dame. Dame himself was not the number one option in his 88th game.

So if Shaedon hits a few game winners, he'll suddenly have this "factor" for you?

Dame took and converted on a few game winners in his first 88 games though. And that was on a team that was more talented and had a bunch of vets on the floor with him in those moments.

 

[illmatic99]

Being the first option on the first possession of the game and being the first option on the last possession of a game are not necessarily the same thing.

So, next time Chauncey calls a play for Grant, Shaedon should blow it up demand the ball, and take an ill advised shot so we can all claim he has a killer instinct.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Booker — thought Sharpe’s defense may push him past Book.

 

[Natebishop3]

So, next time Chauncey calls a play for Grant, Shaedon should blow it up demand the ball, and take an ill advised shot so we can all claim he has a killer instinct.

So let me get this straight…..

I was responding to someone who questioned Sharpe’s motivation and drive…. Which you are fine with. You take issue with me defending his motivation and drive, but saying that I’m not sure he has killer instinct? Do I have that right?

 

[Tince]

So, next time Chauncey calls a play for Grant, Shaedon should blow it up demand the ball, and take an ill advised shot so we can all claim he has a killer instinct.

Billups has already made public comments about being frustrated that he's drawn up plays to get Sharpe a shot, the opportunity/mismatch was there, and Sharpe didn't attempt to take advantage.

I'd say there is a difference between Sharpe taking ill-advised shots and turning down preferred opportunities.

 

[blazerfan11]

Billups has already made public comments about being frustrated that he's drawn up plays to get Sharpe a shot, the opportunity/mismatch was there, and Sharpe didn't attempt to take advantage.

I'd say there is a difference between Sharpe taking ill-advised shots and turning down preferred opportunities.

Why is Billups drawing up plays for Sharpe to get a shot? That's what you do for players who can't dribble the ball, or for role players.

Damian Lillard isn't on the team anymore. Is there someone more important than Sharpe?

If Billups wants to do Sharpe a favor, get Sharpe the ball as early in a possession as possible and let Sharpe create on his own.

That Billups is drawing up plays for Sharpe makes me worry more about Billups than Sharpe.

 

[Tince]

Why is Billups drawing up plays for Sharpe to get a shot? That's what you do for players who can't dribble the ball, or for role players.

If Billups wants to do Sharpe a favor, get Sharpe the ball as early in a possession as possible and let Sharpe create on his own.

That Billups is drawing up plays for Sharpe makes me worry more about Billups than Sharpe.

You can draw up a play that gets a player the ball early and allows them to create on their own off the dribble. Though a lot of people here call the "iso ball" and don't like it.ou'

Based off Billups comments, I would guess the scenario you're asking for is what happened. We got Sharpe the ball early, at a specific spot, against an specific matchup, and he didn't attack.

 

[Natebishop3]

You can draw up a play that gets a player the ball early and allows them to create on their own off the dribble. Though a lot of people here call the "iso ball" and don't like it.ou'

Based off Billups comments, I would guess the scenario you're asking for is what happened. We got Sharpe the ball early, at a specific spot, against an specific matchup, and he didn't attack.

Not sure why it’s a new concept that the team runs plays to get a favorable matchup for Sharpe. The Grizzlies rammed that down our throat to end that second game. Over and over.

 

[Everything Beagle]

With the Blazers, borderline all star.
When he bolts in four years, top 10 all time

 

[Ed O]

So, next time Chauncey calls a play for Grant, Shaedon should blow it up demand the ball, and take an ill advised shot so we can all claim he has a killer instinct.

We should make Sharpe GM to see if he has a killer instinct.

If he trades Grant, then that means he wants to shoot more and has a killer instinct.

That would be the best possible thing any GM could do, in my opinion, short of building a time machine and not giving him that massive contract.

 

[Stevenson]

It's revisiont to denigrate Shaedon because he supposedly doesn't possess this myhtical killer instict by comparing to Dame. Dame himself was not the number one option in his 88th game.

So if Shaedon hits a few game winners, he'll suddenly have this "factor" for you?

No one is "denigrating" Shaeden.

We're just analyzing his mentality. A legit discussion. He could be one of those guys who has so much natural talent that the need for Mamba isn't there. That's OK. That's most players. But the Best have some version of it. We hope he has it. Just haven't seen it yet.

I do love that he's not a ball hog and is a good team player.

 

[illmatic99]

Billups has already made public comments about being frustrated that he's drawn up plays to get Sharpe a shot, the opportunity/mismatch was there, and Sharpe didn't attempt to take advantage.

I'd say there is a difference between Sharpe taking ill-advised shots and turning down preferred opportunities.

i see Sharpe making the right basketball play 8 times out of 10. Also another consideration... he is currently leading the league in minutes. Kid is exhausted and can't exploit every single matchup he faces every possession. I think Chauncey's frustrations are unwarranted.

 

[Tince]

i see Sharpe making the right basketball play 8 times out of 10. Also another consideration... he is currently leading the league in minutes. Kid is exhausted and can't exploit every single matchup he faces every possession. I think Chauncey's frustrations are unwarranted.

I'm not sure my numbers track out that high, but he's had a great start. Funny the complaints for the first 82 games plus the very start of the season was that he wasn't playing enough and now he's playing too much.

Can't win!

 

[illmatic99]

I'm not sure my numbers track out that high, but he's had a great start. Funny the complaints for the first 82 games plus the very start of the season was that he wasn't playing enough and now he's playing too much.

Can't win!

who's complaining that he's playing too much?

 

[Tince]

who's complaining that he's playing too much?

I thought you were implying him playing too many minutes were the cause of his inability to attack on the plays drawn up for him. I apologize if I read it wrong.

He's having a great start to the season, he's succeeded my expectations, even if I don't think he's displayed the willingness to be the #1 option in close games.

 

[Idog1976]

I think Sharpe is driven, but being driven is not necessarily the same thing as having a killer instinct. I think Sharpe is committed to improving and working harder, but at times he defers during games and he doesn’t seem to have the same mentality that a Dame or Kobe or Jordan has/had.

People forget, both Dame and Kobe deferred early in their careers. Dame with LMA and Kobe with Shaq despite both of them being far superior players, and older than Sharpe is now. The truth is we simply don't know yet. He sure seemed to have it last year when there was no one to defer to and we've seen hints of it this season. Just as we did with Dame and Kobe. It wasn't something either one really showed super early. Jordan did though, but he's the GOAT so...

 

[Tince]

People forget, both Dame and Kobe deferred early in their careers. Dame with LMA and Kobe with Shaq despite both of them being far superior players, and older than Sharpe is now. The truth is we simply don't know yet. He sure seemed to have it last year when there was no one to defer to and we've seen hints of it this season. Just as we did with Dame and Kobe. It wasn't something either one really showed super early. Jordan did though, but he's the GOAT so...

I'd push back on Dame deffering in big moments early in his career. He took a handful in his rookie year alone.

And even if Sharpe isn't THAT type of player, it's ok.

 

[Idog1976]

With the Blazers, borderline all star.
When he bolts in four years, top 10 all time

WTF?!

 

[Idog1976]

I'd push back on Dame deffering in big moments early in his career. He took a handful in his rookie year alone.

And even if Sharpe isn't THAT type of player, it's ok.

Dame deferred a ton and was given the keys to the team as a Rookie, he was an extremely good ballhandler who could easily create. I haven't seen Sharpe pass up open shots, I've seen him pass often to Grant calling for it. I'd say Dame definitely deferred to LMA in many, many games. Dame also had way more time on the floor (Sharpe is only hitting Dame's first 3rd of his rookie season in total minutes) with the ball in his hands along with an excellent handle. I know Dame hit some game winners in his rookie year, but Dame is also an all time great with game winners, arguably the GOAT of that particular skill, he's certainly top 3-5 all time. Sharpe can be a Superstar and a closer without being Dame level of clutch. I don't agree with the idea that we know for certain Sharpe has no killer instinct. I think we will know by the end of this season or next at the absolute latest.

 

[MickZagger]

Crazy to think that when Lillard was 20 years old he was a sophomore in Ogden, Utah playing for a Big Sky school and no one outside of Weber State fans knew a damn thing about him.

Sharpe at 20 is averaging 20, in the league with the big boys.

 

[Tince]

Dame deferred a ton and was given the keys to the team as a Rookie, he was an extremely good ballhandler who could easily create. I haven't seen Sharpe pass up open shots, I've seen him pass often to Grant calling for it. I'd say Dame definitely deferred to LMA in many, many games. Dame also had way more time on the floor (Sharpe is only hitting Dame's first 3rd of his rookie season in total minutes) with the ball in his hands along with an excellent handle. I know Dame hit some game winners in his rookie year, but Dame is also an all time great with game winners, arguably the GOAT of that particular skill, he's certainly top 3-5 all time. Sharpe can be a Superstar and a closer without being Dame level of clutch. I don't agree with the idea that we know for certain Sharpe has no killer instinct. I think we will know by the end of this season or next at the absolute latest.

Comparing deffering to an all-star in his prime (LMA) to a #3 option type player (Grant) isn't really an apples to apples comparison. We agree Dame in top tier when it comes to game-winner shots.

I also agree with you that we don't know for certain Sharpe has no killer instinct or if he doesn't, that he won't develop one. If I had to guess though, he's a #2 option type of guy.

 

[Tince]

Crazy to think that when Lillard was 20 years old he was a sophomore in Ogden, Utah playing for a Big Sky school and no one outside of Weber State fans knew a damn thing about him.

Sharpe at 20 is averaging 20, in the league with the big boys.

He's had a great start to the season, no doubt about it!

 

[Natebishop3]

Dame deferred a ton and was given the keys to the team as a Rookie, he was an extremely good ballhandler who could easily create. I haven't seen Sharpe pass up open shots, I've seen him pass often to Grant calling for it. I'd say Dame definitely deferred to LMA in many, many games. Dame also had way more time on the floor (Sharpe is only hitting Dame's first 3rd of his rookie season in total minutes) with the ball in his hands along with an excellent handle. I know Dame hit some game winners in his rookie year, but Dame is also an all time great with game winners, arguably the GOAT of that particular skill, he's certainly top 3-5 all time. Sharpe can be a Superstar and a closer without being Dame level of clutch. I don't agree with the idea that we know for certain Sharpe has no killer instinct. I think we will know by the end of this season or next at the absolute latest.

You guys are interpreting what I’m saying differently than what I mean. Yes, Dame took a back seat to LMA in the offense as a whole, but when the game was on the line who took the last shot? Dame had a number of game winners in his first, second, and third seasons in the league and this is what I’m talking about. When the Blazers were in the middle of that insane drought where the grizzlies were going 26-2 or whatever it was, Dame would have wanted the ball. Kobe would have wanted the ball. Roy would have wanted the ball. Does Shaedon have that? I think that Shae will end up being the better player overall, but I have a feeling that Scoot might end up being that dude that wants the ball. Just a feeling, based on their personalities.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think Sharpe is driven, but being driven is not necessarily the same thing as having a killer instinct. I think Sharpe is committed to improving and working harder, but at times he defers during games and he doesn’t seem to have the same mentality that a Dame or Kobe or Jordan has/had.

Who was the veteran that was trying to take shots away from Dame, Kobe, or Jordan? You could argue Shaq with Kobe, but not really...

Sharpe has Brogdon, Grant, and Simons, all who want to bring the ball up the court and have the ball in their hands the whole possession.

 

[Natebishop3]

Who was the veteran that was trying to take shots away from Dame, Kobe, or Jordan? You could argue Shaq with Kobe, but not really...

Sharpe has Brogdon, Grant, and Simons, all who want to bring the ball up the court and have the ball in their hands the whole possession.

The Lakers were waaaaaay more stacked than our crappy roster. So was the Blazers when Dame got here. But again, I’m talking about at the end of games.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Dame deferred a ton and was given the keys to the team as a Rookie, he was an extremely good ballhandler who could easily create. I haven't seen Sharpe pass up open shots, I've seen him pass often to Grant calling for it. I'd say Dame definitely deferred to LMA in many, many games. Dame also had way more time on the floor (Sharpe is only hitting Dame's first 3rd of his rookie season in total minutes) with the ball in his hands along with an excellent handle. I know Dame hit some game winners in his rookie year, but Dame is also an all time great with game winners, arguably the GOAT of that particular skill, he's certainly top 3-5 all time. Sharpe can be a Superstar and a closer without being Dame level of clutch. I don't agree with the idea that we know for certain Sharpe has no killer instinct. I think we will know by the end of this season or next at the absolute latest.

I didn't see Dame deferring to Aldridge... He created a ton for Aldridge. Getting Aldridge the ball in the post isn't "deferring to Aldridge". That's playing team basketball. It makes it easier for Dame (and the rest of the team) to get buckets. Same as getting the ball to Shaq wouldn't be Kobe deferring to Shaq.

If you aren't getting the ball to those guys at the basket then you are not playing good basketball. I don't think anybody is asking for Sharpe to play bad basketball.

*Edit* added (and the rest of the team)

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Lakers were waaaaaay more stacked than our crappy roster. So was the Blazers when Dame got here. But again, I’m talking about at the end of games.

That's kind of my point. We have comparably "crappy" players in Brogdon, Grant, and Simons demanding the ball at the end of games.

Either the coach needs to get those guys in line or we have to figure something else out. End of game situations should probably be Scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton (not necessarily taking the shot, but the plays should run through them). Every now and then Simons.

However, if we can get Grant hitting some game winners maybe that will up his trade value? Maybe the same with Brogdon and Simons?

 

[BankTeller]

I look at Kobe's stats since he didn't play college ball either. It's not sacrilegious to compare him to Kobe the HOF'er as Drexler is also a HOF'er. I like how Sharpe stacks up. I think Sharpe is really a team player at heart. He won't do hero ball just for the sake of it. He passes, he boards and he plays defense.

I agree 100%. People shun the Kobe comparison because they remember the 5 rings but forget he averaged like 8ppg off the bench as a rookie. I think he’s shown all the potential to be Kobe the player so far, without signs he’s developing into Kobe the teammate, which is great.

 

[HailBlazers]

Would people say Tracy McGrady lacked KI?