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BoomChakaLaka said:
We trade 2025 Buck’s pick
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I think most of the board would do that. Im not a Jerami Grant fan but for 2025 bucks pick he’s a great asset to target. Give him some run here and if it doesn't work you can still trade him.
 
Idog1976 said:
I think most of the board would do that. Im not a Jerami Grant fan but for 2025 bucks pick he’s a great asset to target. Give him some run here and if it doesn't work you can still trade him.
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We tried that with RoCo and Powell, and look at the value we got back... Trading someone after it doesn't work out just lets everyone know it's a buyer's market.

Edit: Oh, and Nance.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Not me.
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You wouldn't trade the Bucks 2025 likely 20ish over all pick for Jerami Grant? WOW.

Also comparing Grant to Roco, Powell etc. is silly. First, the buy price is MUCH lower than Rocco and close to par on Powell, but Grant was a guy who had All-Star potential and is young. Even though I'm FAR from a Grant fan boy, to trade a 20 something pick for him three years out seems like a no-brainer.

CJ for Hart plus Grant looks wayyyyyy better than what we actually got and is actually a pretty fair trade. Note I would NEVER trade our pick this year for Grant, but a Bucks pick in Giannis's mega prime? Yeah, I can let that borderline 2nd rounder go.
 
handiman said:
We tried that with RoCo and Powell, and look at the value we got back... Trading someone after it doesn't work out just lets everyone know it's a buyer's market.

Edit: Oh, and Nance.
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Yes less value, but less value than a worse than second-rounder? (Late First-round picks are still guaranteed salary and cost more than 2nd round picks salary-wise for the negligible difference in talent).

Sure it's not ideal, but you could still extract value, probably a 2nd or two if need be. Talent wise please don't tell me you have Grant with his size etc. as on par with Rocco or Norm right? Also we are talking about getting him for MUCH cheaper than what we paid for Rocco (two much higher first round picks). You're just pointing out the value drops a ton right not that it's a bad trade number 20++++ first-round pick for Grant right?
 
Idog1976 said:
You wouldn't trade the Bucks 2025 likely 20ish over all pick for Jerami Grant? WOW.

Also comparing Grant to Roco, Powell etc. is silly. First, the buy price is MUCH lower than Rocco and close to par on Powell, but Grant was a guy who had All-Star potential and is young. Even though I'm FAR from a Grant fan boy, to trade a 20 something pick for him three years out seems like a no-brainer.

CJ for Hart plus Grant looks wayyyyyy better than what we actually got and is actually a pretty fair trade. Note I would NEVER trade our pick this year for Grant, but a Bucks pick in Giannis's mega prime? Yeah, I can let that borderline 2nd rounder go.
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Lots of posters don't want to trade for Grant. He wants to be a focal point on offense, is a mediocre inefficient shooter, wants a new huge max contract, and his defense has declined. Roco was a higher level 3+D complimentary player at the time the Blazers traded for him, even though his production later in Portland didn't live up to that.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
"According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being.."

Hmm if I am a Nets fans I would be wondering why they traded away Harden mid-season for a guy who did not want to play this season.
I would also question Simmon's agent for not being upfront with the Nets. Did he not know or was he not asked?

Edit: Looking at Harden's player option for next year at 47 million, maybe the Nets just wanted to get rid of him?
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Seems like Harden/Morey/Simmons could have all pushed the Nets to make the trade. Harden could have said he would leave in the offseason if they didn't trade him, plus he was giving up on games during this season.

Maybe Morey got Cronin to make the Clippers trade, and told the Nets the plan was to send Simmons to Portland in the summer then sign Harden. Aligns with the comments of the Blazers being so disappointed with the trade and that Simmons was an offseason target.
 
Idog1976 said:
Yes less value, but less value than a worse than second-rounder? (Late First-round picks are still guaranteed salary and cost more than 2nd round picks salary-wise for the negligible difference in talent).
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If that's really the angle you're going to take, it's not worth reading any further. You just wiggled yourself right into the corner.
 
handiman said:
If that's really the angle you're going to take, it's not worth reading any further. You just wiggled yourself right into the corner.
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That's kind of an aside and is also accurate. Unless you disagree and want to explain how picks near the end of the 1st round are superior to 2nd round picks? I'm open to hearing about it, but you need to actually explain why I'm wrong. Also, the point was comparing Jerami Grant for 2025 Bucks pick (laaaate 1st round) to TWO mid-range 1st round picks for Roco is apples to oranges.
 
Idog1976 said:
That's kind of an aside and is also accurate. Unless you disagree and want to explain how picks near the end of the 1st round are superior to 2nd round picks? I'm open to hearing about it, but you need to actually explain why I'm wrong. Also, the point was comparing Jerami Grant for 2025 Bucks pick (laaaate 1st round) to TWO mid-range 1st round picks for Roco is apples to oranges.
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First, you're assuming it'll be a very late pick. The best "steal" trades usually result from a team being worse than expected when the pick comes around.

Second, unless you think the draft is a crap shoot, a better pick is always preferable. To argue otherwise because of salary considerations is the most defeatist attitude imaginable, and would get you laughed out of every GM's office.
 
Idog1976 said:
I think most of the board would do that. Im not a Jerami Grant fan but for 2025 bucks pick he’s a great asset to target. Give him some run here and if it doesn't work you can still trade him.
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Agree with you - my sentiments exactly
 
Got another one -

We trade the 6th pick plus Ant plus A future #1 to the Lakers for LeBron. Maybe throw in Blevins ;)

trade Buck’s 2025 #1 and a 2nd this year to Detroit for Grant. Add Eric Bledsoe if possible.

Dame / Williams
LeBron / Hart / Keon Johnson
Grant / Little / Ingles
Watford / Winslow / Brown
Nurkic / Eubanks / keep a spot open for McGee, etc.
 
Watching Giannis and Drey during the playoffs so far I can't help but see the value in Simmons. People have to remember that he's only like half a tick away from Giannis when it comes to athleticism, that he's a better ball handler than either of those guys, that he's a better passer than both and that he's just as good defensively as either.

I wouldn't want to give up our mid lotto pick with how low people say his value is right now, along with the players it would take to match his salary. So if his value is really that low I think this trade might actually get the deal done. I added the Grant trade to give us a starting lineup of Dame, Ant, Grant, Simmons and Nurk. We could still use the TPMLE to add another rotation player to our bench along with Nas, Justise, Trendon, maybe Ingles and our second round pick.

Assuming our pick ends up in the most likely place at 7th, we would trade that pick to the Hornets for the 13th and 15th. We trade Hart, Bledsoe and the 13th pick to the Nets for Simmons. We trade the 15th pick to the Pistons for Grant.
 
blazerkor said:
Watching Giannis and Drey during the playoffs so far I can't help but see the value in Simmons. People have to remember that he's only like half a tick away from Giannis when it comes to athleticism, that he's a better ball handler than either of those guys, that he's a better passer than both and that he's just as good defensively as either.

I wouldn't want to give up our mid lotto pick with how low people say his value is right now, along with the players it would take to match his salary. So if his value is really that low I think this trade might actually get the deal done. I added the Grant trade to give us a starting lineup of Dame, Ant, Grant, Simmons and Nurk. We could still use the TPMLE to add another rotation player to our bench along with Nas, Justise, Trendon, maybe Ingles and our second round pick.

Assuming our pick ends up in the most likely place at 7th, we would trade that pick to the Hornets for the 13th and 15th. We trade Hart, Bledsoe and the 13th pick to the Nets for Simmons. We trade the 15th pick to the Pistons for Grant.
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Can't afford that much salary. Rookie contracts are valuable and necessary. If we got Ben, I would just use the pick to draft someone and start Little.
 
Now he’s going to have back surgery. Man, what a bizarre series of events.
 
[Someone has to propose it.]

EBEC + Hart + Keon Johnson (not to be confused by me with Keon Clark:beatinto: ) + Bucks Pick = Simmons + Back Surgery

Buy low. He's at low.
 
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HoopsFanAZ said:
[Someone has to propose it.]

EBEC + Hart + Keon Clark + Bucks Pick = Simmons + Back Surgery

Buy low. He's at low.
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If the Nets would do that right now we would be idiots not to. Our Keon has the last name Johnson but I think this trade would be fantastic for us. I don't think the Nets would ever do it but, hey who knows?
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
[Someone has to propose it.]

EBEC + Hart + Keon Clark + Bucks Pick = Simmons + Back Surgery

Buy low. He's at low.
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Maybe, but I don't think the price is that low. We'd have to throw in our first and probably more.
 
It’s looking like both Sixers and Nets lost in that trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I wouldn't say the 6ers lost, their chance of contending always required a healthy Embiid.
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That is true, but Hardin probably not good enough these days to make up for the loss. I do believe Hardin’s bank account is the real winner because Morey is the only one to pay what he wants.
 
blazerkor said:
Watching Giannis and Drey during the playoffs so far I can't help but see the value in Simmons. People have to remember that he's only like half a tick away from Giannis when it comes to athleticism, that he's a better ball handler than either of those guys, that he's a better passer than both and that he's just as good defensively as either.

I wouldn't want to give up our mid lotto pick with how low people say his value is right now, along with the players it would take to match his salary. So if his value is really that low I think this trade might actually get the deal done. I added the Grant trade to give us a starting lineup of Dame, Ant, Grant, Simmons and Nurk. We could still use the TPMLE to add another rotation player to our bench along with Nas, Justise, Trendon, maybe Ingles and our second round pick.

Assuming our pick ends up in the most likely place at 7th, we would trade that pick to the Hornets for the 13th and 15th. We trade Hart, Bledsoe and the 13th pick to the Nets for Simmons. We trade the 15th pick to the Pistons for Grant.
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Hart Bledsoe and the 13th pick for Simmons. Do you think the Nets go for that? I mean obviously, I'm in love with this idea. Not trading any core piece for Simmons, nor the draft pick (ours before your trade) um YES PLEASE?! I'm down on Simmons, but not THAT down.
 
I don't want to say the injury is fake or that Simmons is just putting on an act, but I heartily applaud his new nickname - Daniel Day-to-Day Lewis.
 
blazerkor said:
If the Nets would do that right now we would be idiots not to. Our Keon has the last name Johnson but I think this trade would be fantastic for us. I don't think the Nets would ever do it but, hey who knows?
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Lmao, what are you smoking. Say no to Simmons at all costs
 
It’s time those Simmons fan boys, and you know who you are, come out and admit their love from Simmons was a bad call with how things have played out with the Nets.

stay the heck away from Simmons at all costs, he has lost so much respect from fans and NBA players and now back surgery he is just digging himself into a bigger hole.
 
Idog1976 said:
Hart Bledsoe and the 13th pick for Simmons. Do you think the Nets go for that? I mean obviously, I'm in love with this idea. Not trading any core piece for Simmons, nor the draft pick (ours before your trade) um YES PLEASE?! I'm down on Simmons, but not THAT down.
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No freaking way do you do that, come on lmao
 
sheed30 said:
Lmao, what are you smoking. Say no to Simmons at all costs
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Just trying to get an all nba player on the team at little cost. That's all. If you think the guy will never play again or will never play close to the level he's already played for almost four full seasons... what are you smoking?
 
blazerkor said:
Just trying to get an all nba player on the team at little cost. That's all. If you think the guy will never play again or will never play close to the level he's already played for almost four full seasons... what are you smoking?
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He's having back surgery. Very plausible that he'll never be the same.
 
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