Politics So he's not racist huh??

[Cippy91]

And that's my whole point. Its all about context. There is no black and white. It depends one the user of words and the recipients and that was my point.


What a word means to one person doesn't mean it means the same thing to the next person, so there IS no black and white its all subjective.

Regarding the boy thing, I brought that up, because where is the line drawn?

When do we pull up our big boy pants and let the superficial shit die away and focus on the legit concerns of this world? (Not saying racism isn't a legit concern).

Name calling only hurts if you let it.


I'm sure we have all heard this....

Stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me...


We are becoming pussified because instead of dismissing the superficial and focusing on the important issues, we are trying to utopalize the country and that will not work.

In order to get past this we ALL must get past it. White people need to understand what words can be insulting and Others need to get over the words and dismiss them.

What’s also happened is we have really diluted what really is a racist or a nazi, a fascist. Most of the time these days when people use these words to accuse someone of, it’s just not correct. People also like to throw out all context just to become outraged. Context and intent. It’s really a growing problem but people would still rather call somebody a racist, fascist, nazi, sexist without even thinking about it. It’s fucked

 

[H.C.]

In that context it was meant to demean, insult, and belittle you and it was wrong.

I don't believe I provided context in that post.

 

[Spud147]

Does it really matter if head coaches are female or not? What kind of fantasy world do you wanna live in? I don’t get it. What will make people like you and dviss happy? You want all blacks in all power positions. Women and blacks probably preferably black females in this far left utopia? Sure why not. What changes then? Give me a break

Of course it matters if certain employees are kept out of management positions because of their race or gender. I want to live in a real world where we all have opportunities based on merit despite who our parents are or what body parts we have. I don't want a job that I'm not qualified to do because I'm a woman but I do want my accomplishments and education to mean as much as a male counterpart's when I am applying for a job I am qualified to do.

 

[H.C.]

I don't believe I provided context in that post.

Nor will I, because I do not intend to derail this topic.
It's not about me.

 

[jlprk]

What’s also happened is we have really diluted what really is a racist or a nazi, a fascist. Most of the time these days when people use these words to accuse someone of, it’s just not correct. People also like to throw out all context just to become outraged. Context and intent. It’s really a growing problem but people would still rather call somebody a racist, fascist, nazi, sexist without even thinking about it. It’s fucked

There should be terminology for shades of meaning, like, "You just said something racist-3!"

"I did not! It was only racist-2."

"Bullshit! That was at least racist-2.5!"

"Calm down. In fact it was no more than racist-1.9A."

 

[Spud147]

I don't believe I provided context in that post.

My bad, I must have misunderstood... I thought you were saying you were the ref at a game and an African American parent said he could ref better than you the "white boy". The post wasn't directed at me and I probably shouldn't have weighed in on it.

 

[Cippy91]

Of course it matters if certain employees are kept out of management positions because of their race or gender. I want to live in a real world where we all have opportunities based on merit despite who our parents are or what body parts we have. I don't want a job that I'm not qualified to do because I'm a woman but I do want my accomplishments and education to mean as much as a male counterpart's when I am applying for a job I am qualified to do.

Have you not seen how these major tech companies operate these days. The dude who did the google memo even said in meetings they would talk about how diverse they want to make it despite of those people were even right for the job. So today more than ever people are hiring at these jobs based on being diverse and all that shit when really it should be who is acceptable for the job. I want people in those positions who are the best at their job regardless of color or gender, I don’t fucking care but when we start making things diverse just to be diverse, it’s a bit fake and honestly screws others out of positions who do the job better but companies have adopted the sjw nonsense utopia world that requires safe spaces and just making everything diverse for the sake of diversity.

 

[barfo]

And that's my whole point. Its all about context. There is no black and white. It depends one the user of words and the recipients and that was my point.

Maybe if you went to Madagascar and called a black man a boy, it might not be insulting. For all I know, it's considered high praise there.

However... the context for most of us here (and probably all of us in this thread) is the USA, where it is insulting.

When do we pull up our big boy pants and let the superficial shit die away and focus on the legit concerns of this world? (Not saying racism isn't a legit concern).

Sounds like you are saying that racism isn't a legit concern, despite your disclaimer. Otherwise what's the point of saying what you just said about superficial shit?

What are the 'legit concerns of this world' that you'd like to focus on?

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

Maybe if you went to Madagascar and called a black man a boy, it might not be insulting. For all I know, it's considered high praise there.

However... the context for most of us here (and probably all of us in this thread) is the USA, where it is insulting.



Sounds like you are saying that racism isn't a legit concern, despite your disclaimer. Otherwise what's the point of saying what you just said about superficial shit?

What are the 'legit concerns of this world' that you'd like to focus on?

barfo

How about the Libya slave trade for one. I would of rather seen a post about it instead of a supposed racist comment Donald Trump made

 

[MarAzul]

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

Sorry dviss but that is an ignorant statement.

 

[barfo]

How about the Libya slave trade for one. I would of rather seen a post about it instead of a supposed racist comment Donald Trump made

Why don't you start a thread, then? Sounds like an interesting subject, certainly one I'd be interested in hearing more about.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

Why don't you start a thread, then? Sounds like an interesting subject, certainly one I'd be interested in hearing more about.

barfo

Why? Nobody will give a fuck. You will probably reply in your negative way towards me asking what my plan is to solve it as always. You spend more time on here talking about petty issues than real ones and every time I have posted some real shit it just disappears because people view it but don’t reply meanwhile dviss and his ridiculous posts has everybody’s panties in a bunch. It’s just how it is

 

[barfo]

Why? Nobody will give a fuck. You will probably reply in your negative way towards me asking what my plan is to solve it as always. You spend more time on here talking about petty issues than real ones and every time I have posted some real shit it just disappears because people view it but don’t reply meanwhile dviss and his ridiculous posts has everybody’s panties in a bunch. It’s just how it is

You need to turn that frown upside down.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

My bad, I must have misunderstood... I thought you were saying you were the ref at a game and an African American parent said he could ref better than you the "white boy". The post wasn't directed at me and I probably shouldn't have weighed in on it.

You're welcome to interject your thoughts into whatever you wish as I at times do enjoy reading your comments.

 

[riverman]

 

[Mediocre Man]

No it is not... white men have historically had ALL the power and still have most of the power in society to this day. When you call an African American man "Boy" it is meant to diminish his stature. It is why protesters in Memphis in 1968 were wearing signs saying "I AM A MAN". It's 50 years later and we're still questioning this?!?

I agree, but isn't calling a white male, boy, meant to diminish his stature as well?

 

[Spud147]

And that's my whole point. Its all about context. There is no black and white. It depends one the user of words and the recipients and that was my point.


What a word means to one person doesn't mean it means the same thing to the next person, so there IS no black and white its all subjective.

Regarding the boy thing, I brought that up, because where is the line drawn?

When do we pull up our big boy pants and let the superficial shit die away and focus on the legit concerns of this world? (Not saying racism isn't a legit concern).

Name calling only hurts if you let it.


I'm sure we have all heard this....

Stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me...


We are becoming pussified because instead of dismissing the superficial and focusing on the important issues, we are trying to utopalize the country and that will not work.

In order to get past this we ALL must get past it. White people need to understand what words can be insulting and Others need to get over the words and dismiss them.

Orion I think you and 99% of the posters on this board really are good, well intentioned people. I understand exactly what you are saying but believe me, we pull up our "Big Boy Pants" and let the superficial stuff go all day everyday day. I'm a successful college educated property owning woman... I know all about going along with the corporate program and letting things go. But I post my perspective because I want you to educate on my reality (and any other person who isn't the right race, religion, sexual/gender identity, etc.). I'm not angry feminist at all... I just think you guys on the board are so awesome and evolved you will take my wise input, commit to doing better, and make yourself even more irresistible to the ladies.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why ask this when I just said no?

I don't know, it's a forum for discussion?

 

[Mediocre Man]

When you use terms such as "reverse racism", you lose ground. There literally is no such thing. And YES calling a black man boy is worse than calling a white man boy.

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

See the 14th amendment

 

[MarAzul]

make yourself even more irresistible to the ladies

umm, you were doing good, then you slipped a gog.
But it's all good. Hello Spud, I hope your doing well.

 

[Spud147]

I agree, but isn't calling a white male, boy, meant to diminish his stature as well?

Yes but it goes back to the power dynamic. I remember years ago a Native American High school back east tried to make a point by changing their mascot to the fighting whities and their T-shirts were sold out and people from all over the country wanted them. There's no equivalent for a white man. You can call me a bitch and the implied message is... shut up you mouthy female. But when I call my girlfriends that it's like, you're a mouthy female... Go Girl! I guess I could call a man a dick but it really isn't that insulting.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes but it goes back to the power dynamic. I remember years ago a Native American High school back east tried to make a point by changing their mascot to the fighting whities and their T-shirts were sold out and people from all over the country wanted them. There's no equivalent for a white man. You can call me a bitch and the implied message is... shut up you mouthy female. But when I call my girlfriends that it's like, you're a mouthy female... Go Girl! I guess I could call a man a dick but it really isn't that insulting.

Calling me boy is insulting, just like calling a black male, boy is insulting

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

While I am not a "lib" if you are driven away, I will not cry. Not sure how actually reading what the Navajo war hero had to say is lack of logic, but aren't you the dude who said liking cats made me unreliable? Or was that some other boy? Can't keep them, ahem, straight.

Can't take people seriously who lie in their posts every day.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It IS a black/brown/person of color and white issue. You always have to consider the power dynamics and historical context. I'll put it a different way... as a woman I can call my best girl friend a bitch and mean it as a term of endearment - but if you, as a man, do it... prepare to get your face slapped.

I once went out to a Salsa dance club with my white friend Tiffany who proceeded to drink too much and thought it was hilarious to walk through the bar yelling out "Juan" or "Jose" to see how many people turned around to look. I was like, WTF are you doing you idiot?!? I told her she was going to end up getting a well deserved beat down if she didn't shut up and I got her out of there immediately. Proper names such as Tyrone/Jerome/Pocahontas can be and are used as racial slurs.

@dviss1 has probably called some African American friends the N word over the years but I don't ever say that word because I'm not a person of color and it has a completely different meaning when it comes out of my mouth.

I stopped reading after the bitch part. You use it against your friend in anger like the man who calls her that would. Then it is the same fucking thing.

Endearment is the operative word. Fucking A.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

There should be terminology for shades of meaning, like, "You just said something racist-3!"

"I did not! It was only racist-2."

"Bullshit! That was at least racist-2.5!"

"Calm down. In fact it was no more than racist-1.9A."

 

[Cippy91]

People are so dumb. If only they knew how god damn dangerous those lions are, Jesus fuck

 

[Orion Bailey]

When you use terms such as "reverse racism", you lose ground. There literally is no such thing. And YES calling a black man boy is worse than calling a white man boy.

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

We shall have to agree to disagree.
One of he only ways to end racism is to give equal value and meaning.
We need to let go of history and understand our children growing up don’t know the history of calling black men boys.
When do we get past it so it doesn’t matter anymore?
Don’t say it should always matter because it can’t always matter if you want racism gone.

Go to the search and look up white boy under my name. You will see my stance on that term has been consistent.

I have arguments with my black friends about this shit. How the fuck are you gonna use that term when you hate being called boy??

See above. We all need to get over the sensitivity

Maybe if you went to Madagascar and called a black man a boy, it might not be insulting. For all I know, it's considered high praise there.

However... the context for most of us here (and probably all of us in this thread) is the USA, where it is insulting.



Sounds like you are saying that racism isn't a legit concern, despite your disclaimer. Otherwise what's the point of saying what you just said about superficial shit?

What are the 'legit concerns of this world' that you'd like to focus on?

barfo

True racism is a legit concern but true racism is often undermined by the public crying holy midget over things not significAnt.
Like the topic of this thread.

I think it is much more important what the lady is doing, potentially falsifying her history for personal gain, than the president calling her pocHNtes.

To me the true racial discrimination was potentially falsey claiming. Heritage that isn’t yours for better personal gain. To me that is much more dangerous to let go than the president calling her Pocahontas.

Then there are even more legit and real concerns for me that trump(lol) racial slurs.
Like nuclear threat. Civil unrest.
The thieving homeless epidemic.
Many many things I would think would take a higher priority to fix.

 

[Orion Bailey]

People are so dumb. If only they knew how god damn dangerous those lions are, Jesus fuck

People are so dumb. If only they knew to have baby wipes on a long nature expedition!!!

 

[Spud147]

I stopped reading after the bitch part. You use it against your friend in anger like the man who calls her that would. Then it is the same fucking thing.

Endearment is the operative word. Fucking A.

Well you missed the point then... I was not using the term against my friend in anger. My post was about taking a "negative" word, turning it around, and owning some of the positive traits about that word (like speaking up for yourself). I agree with you about using the word in anger against someone... it would make me just as guilty of perpetuating that negative stereotype.