Politics So he's not racist huh??

[dviss1]

I agree with this. But also, not everyone who disagrees with you on the context of a situation doesn't increased racism, or doesn't agree with you on most other situations.

Let's not try to generalize people based on how they interpret unique situations. That's the problem I had with Dviss here, acting as if anyone who didn't agree with his view here was extremely wrong.

I guess that's just me but if people are advocating the notion that calling her Pocahontas is not racist, then they are wrong through and through.

 

[santeesioux]

All I'm saying is that even President Obama had his N moment. He's arguably the most successful Black man ever. Success means nothing. Obama was called the Affirmative Action president.

Like millions of people didn't vote for him over McCain/Romney.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali

 

[dviss1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali

Did he have his hands on the football?

Nuke codes?

 

[santeesioux]

Did he have his hands on the football?

Nuke codes?

He's the richest man in history, if there were nuke codes in his day I'm sure he would have had access to them.

 

[santeesioux]

I think people got more outraged about this than Trump letting the pipeline thing go through. People's priorities are all out of wack.

 

[BonesJones]

I guess that's just me but if people are advocating the notion that calling her Pocahontas is not racist, then they are wrong through and through.

You're saying he had racist intent when he said it. Could you see how it may not have racist intent behind it?

 

[barfo]

You're saying he had racist intent when he said it. Could you see how it may not have racist intent behind it?

Whether intent matters in questions of racism is a well-traveled road.

In a racially-charged situation, a focus on intent is usually an attempt to assert the innocence of the one who acted. It’s a way of proving the person isn’t racist. If the person didn’t mean to be offensive then they can’t be held responsible for the results of their actions. The individual certainly can’t be accused of bigotry toward a person of another skin color.

The problem is that motives only matter so much. You don’t need to intend to hurt people to actually hurt them. What matters more, the fact that the caller didn’t intend to racially profile or that the young man was physically assaulted and wrongly arrested?

barfo

 

[BonesJones]

Whether intent matters in questions of racism is a well-traveled road.

Haha.. Where'd you get this quote? It doesn't apply to what were talking about nor does it make much sense.

This isn't a discussion whether people were hurt or not. This is a discussion as to whether this comment is an example of Donald Trump being racist.

Theres a difference between racial insensitivity and racism. This thread is using a situation of racial insensitivity to claim racism.

If the person didn’t mean to be offensive then they can’t be held responsible for the results of their actions. The individual certainly can’t be accused of bigotry toward a person of another skin color.

Someone can definitely appear as intolerant when their being racially insensitive, and it's a justifiable opinion. However, it's hard to tell if words from someone's mouth are coming from a place of ignorance (racial insensitivity) or intolerance (racism). "Bigotry" is the intolerance of differences. I don't see how being ignorant to the hurtful effects your words can have means that you're intolerant of others differences. Both things are bad, and racism and racial insensitivity are both hurtful, but they're not the same.

Racists definitely try to pass off racist intent by claiming innocence (basically, that their racially insensitive and ignorant). This blurs the line between the two, and creates a situation where those who truly are racially insensitive (there's a lot of ignorant people out there) are viewed as racists, even though they're not prejudiced.

Sometimes one may say something they feel is harmless to a significant other that is actually hurtful to them, of which the speaker is ignorant/insensitive to the effects and possible interpretations of their words. That doesn't make the speaker intolerant of their partner...

 

[Nate]

Dude... No.

Dviss is a great dude. He has his faults in not easily accepting other viewpoints on situations, and he too easily takes away from unique viewpoints (based on experiences that hes had which I (being a white male) will never be able experience) by acting as if those who don't have those experiences have no validity in their opinions.

However, his viewpoints and his experiences need to be listened to with an open mind, because there is a disconnect that can be bridged by just attempting to understand the different views others have.

You're complaining about him not doing so, but also classifying his views as "bitching" and as an "outlet to whine". It's hypocritical.

Also, don't belittle his viewpoints by generalizing the reaction he would get if he shared them. I'd love to have on open conversation with Dviss about his views even if I heavily disagree with them. I would certainly not laugh at him.

If in person, he tries to tell me that I’m not allowed to do something because of the color of my skin, I will laugh at him. Then do it.

If he tries to tell me that Shaun King is black, I will laugh at him. Then remind him of who his parents are.

Most of the shit that he says on here, if he said it to me in person; I would bust up laughing.

 

[dviss1]

You're saying he had racist intent when he said it. Could you see how it may not have racist intent behind it?

Not Donald. No.

He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me.

 

[Nate]

2017:

Where a white person can be racist, for calling another white person (that lied about being Native American for personal gain) Pocahontas.

But also; a white person can grow some facial hair, get a shitty lineup, and pass himself off as black in order to get a free education. Then he becomes a “civil rights activist” for black people

Strange times we live in.

 

[BonesJones]

Not Donald. No.

He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me.

It's not "benefit of the doubt" to not assume every racially insensitive thing he says is coming from a place of bigotry.

 

[BonesJones]

If in person, he tries to tell me that I’m not allowed to do something because of the color of my skin, I will laugh at him. Then do it.

If he tries to tell me that Shaun King is black, I will laugh at him. Then remind him of who his parents are.

Most of the shit that he says on here, if he said it to me in person; I would bust up laughing.

I'm sure you've said some incorrect stuff. Does that mean you're always wrong?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

2017:

Where a white person can be racist, for calling another white person (that lied about being Native American for personal gain) Pocahontas.

But also; a white person can grow some facial hair, get a shitty lineup, and pass himself off as black in order to get a free education. Then he becomes a “civil rights activist” for black people

Strange times we live in.

And a fat white guy can be called shrek who has green skin and lives in a swamp. I want reparations

 

[Orion Bailey]

@dviss1 is the most racist person I’ve encountered on this forum. He doesn’t want equality, he wants to bitch and complain about how he’s being oppressed by white people every day. He hates all white people because of things.

He refuses to accept anything other than his narrative. This forum is his outlet to whine like a bitch, because if he said this shit in real life, people would laugh at him.

I had seen that twitter profile picture of Shaun King before. I had no clue who he was, but I always thought.

“Who is this little bitch ass white cuck, and why do people keep retweeting his stupid shit?”

That nerdy little white kid is obviously white, and he looks exactly like his dad, and he is refusing to take a dna test. But dviss will not accept this because like I said, he will not accept anything that doesn’t fit his narrative.

I'm sure you've said some incorrect stuff. Does that mean you're always wrong?

Okay enough.
You want to blow your horn fine but you just said something I know to be wrong. I highlighted it.
Your perception is of z narrow and limited online view.

I’d say you hate anyone who is rational cause your a flat earth extremist... based on your posts.

D has been In my home and is a well mannered polite person and so is his son(d is raising him well)

Opinions aside D is a great gu and your Post reals of ignorance and prejudice.... get the fuck out of here.

 

[dviss1]

It's not "benefit of the doubt" to not assume every racially insensitive thing he says is coming from a place of bigotry.

He's a bigot. Plain and simple. And there's no other way to call someone Pocahontas besides being racist. Fuck whatever all you other people are talking about. So I don't really care if you don't like what I'm saying or not.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

He's a bigot. Plain and simple. And there's no other way to call someone Pocahontas besides being racist. Fuck whatever all you other people are talking about. So I don't really care if you don't like what I'm saying or not.

Then why continue reading this thread? You haven't said anything but calling her Pocahontas is racist and that's that.

Which isn't surprising from someone who denies the definition of words all the time.

The real laugher is that whether what he said was racist isn't even the point. The guy said the same thing before.

Logically (something you never seem to use) saying it right in front of Native American Veterans PROVES that he didn't think he was saying something racist.

I still think it was idiotic to do but you'll think I'm defending Trump no matter what I say so knock yourself out.

 

[BonesJones]

He's a bigot. Plain and simple. And there's no other way to call someone Pocahontas besides being racist. Fuck whatever all you other people are talking about. So I don't really care if you don't like what I'm saying or not.

Way to show the faults I just tried to kindly point out while also defending you with the hope that you, I and others could have better dialogue in the future.

But to hell with that.. Fuck what I'm talking about, fuck what you're talking about! Nobody should listen to anybody! I hope you see how it's counterproductive.

 

[BonesJones]

Okay enough.
You want to blow your horn fine but you just said something I know to be wrong. I highlighted it.
Your perception is of z narrow and limited online view.

I’d say you hate anyone who is rational cause your a flat earth extremist... based on your posts.

D has been In my home and is a well mannered polite person and so is his son(d is raising him well)

Opinions aside D is a great gu and your Post reals of ignorance and prejudice.... get the fuck out of here.

Why'd you quote me in your response to him? I thought your response was to me, and I was so confused for a moment. This was gonna turn bad.

 

[BonesJones]

He's a bigot. Plain and simple. And there's no other way to call someone Pocahontas besides being racist. Fuck whatever all you other people are talking about. So I don't really care if you don't like what I'm saying or not.

Bold - I've already said this.
Italics - Because it was said to someone who Trump assumes is lying about their native heritage, it could be him mocking that person for doing do. It's the wrong thing to say and offensive, but that would be racial insensitivity, not racism.

He may have low tolerance of people who he believes fake their heritage, and mocks them in an insensitive way. That doesn't mean he's intolerant to that heritage add the people of that race.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Why'd you quote me in your response to him? I thought your response was to me, and I was so confused for a moment. This was gonna turn bad.

Yeah, I thought the same thing but figured it was just an error. My phone saves drafts of posts. Then I'll decide to be nice and not post something.

Then I'll reply to something else and not realize the other post is with it.

Then I'll try to delete the other part before someone sees it. Haha

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah, I thought the same thing but figured it was just an error. My phone saves drafts of posts. Then I'll decide to be nice and not post something.

Then I'll reply to something else and not realize the other post is with it.

Then I'll try to delete the other part before someone sees it. Haha

I've done that. I'm sure we all have.

 

[Nate]

Okay enough.
You want to blow your horn fine but you just said something I know to be wrong. I highlighted it.
Your perception is of z narrow and limited online view.

I’d say you hate anyone who is rational cause your a flat earth extremist... based on your posts.

D has been In my home and is a well mannered polite person and so is his son(d is raising him well)

Opinions aside D is a great gu and your Post reals of ignorance and prejudice.... get the fuck out of here.

You think that just because he came to your house, he doesn’t hate you for being white?

That’s silly.

You’re the cause of his problems.

 

[dviss1]

Way to show the faults I just tried to kindly point out while also defending you with the hope that you, I and others could have better dialogue in the future.

But to hell with that.. Fuck what I'm talking about, fuck what you're talking about! Nobody should listen to anybody! I hope you see how it's counterproductive.

Because there is no other side. There literally isn't. There's acknowledging the racism or defending it. Sorry, not sorry.

I've never had faith that Drumpf could ever be a good human being. He proves me right daily. Those of you who continuously give him rope are hanging yourselves with it.

 

[dviss1]

Bold - I've already said this.
Italics - Because it was said to someone who Trump assumes is lying about their native heritage, it could be him mocking that person for doing do. It's the wrong thing to say and offensive, but that would be racial insensitivity, not racism.

He may have low tolerance of people who he believes fake their heritage, and mocks them in an insensitive way. That doesn't mean he's intolerant to that heritage add the people of that race.

You must define racism differently. Please don't quote Merriam...

Funny how you just agree that he's a fucking bigot but then give him rope saying he didn't say anything racist. I guess The Redskins isn't racist either...

 

[dviss1]

Then why continue reading this thread? You haven't said anything but calling her Pocahontas is racist and that's that.

Which isn't surprising from someone who denies the definition of words all the time.

The real laugher is that whether what he said was racist isn't even the point. The guy said the same thing before.

Logically (something you never seem to use) saying it right in front of Native American Veterans PROVES that he didn't think he was saying something racist.

I still think it was idiotic to do but you'll think I'm defending Trump no matter what I say so knock yourself out.

Hilarious. Utter hilarity.

Like Trump is a rational human being.

 

[Nate]

I'm sure you've said some incorrect stuff. Does that mean you're always wrong?

There’s a difference between saying some incorrect stuff, and constantly preaching hate about a whole demographic of people.

People like dviss are the ones that try to justify racism towards white people, as payback that we deserve.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Hilarious. Utter hilarity.

Like Trump is a rational human being.

Takes one to know one.

It proves he didn't think it was wrong to do.

Not that he isn't racist. Still haven't said I don't think he's racist and I never will.

You keep projecting what a person's soul is without knowing. I don't.

That way I'll never look shocked like the women on the Today Show did this morning.

A human being will NEVER surprise me.

 

[dviss1]

You keep projecting what a person's soul is without knowing. .

No bro.. His actions are speaking. He didn't even denounce the racists at Charlottesville man...

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No bro.. His actions are speaking. He didn't even denounce the racists at Charlottesville man...

I don't think he's a good guy. I also think he grew up being taught horrible things by a rich guy.

I also think the only reason he is President is that Hillary was the other choice.

Whatdya want me to do about it?

This new thing isn't anything new. To me your thread would be like a new Harvey Weinstein accuser came forward and said he did the same thing the others said.

Then someone started a thread titled..

So...Harvey Weinstein isn't a perv huh?