So like.... are we too good to tank now?

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I can't remember who I was listening to today, but they brought up that there's a real fear from teams about sitting players after the news of a federal investigation of Rozier.

This could affect tanking for the rest of the season. It will be interesting to see if we sit Grant and Simons after the deadline if they're still on the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can't remember who I was listening to today, but they brought up that there's a real fear from teams about sitting players after the news of a federal investigation of Rozier.

This could affect tanking for the rest of the season. It will be interesting to see if we sit Grant and Simons after the deadline if they're still on the team.
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This sounds more like rampant speculation from some podcaster than some actual dynamic that teams are going to execute.

Tanking teams will sit the players with very minor injuries - they're just not going to pay attention to betting one way or the other.

The issue for Rozier would be if he worked with bettors to do an action or give them information as Jontay Porter did. If players and teams don't do this they have nothing to be concerned of.

Just sitting or playing doesn't solve anything anyways. A player playing could certainly easily make sure he hits the under on his prop stat lines.
 
Does someone need to start a "Playoff Play-In Tournament Update" thread? :biglaugh:
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Does someone need to start a "Playoff Play-In Tournament Update" thread? :biglaugh:
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Good idea! If the trade deadline passes without significant changes, I'll do precisely that.
 
Goals:

  1. Get to the Play-In and win 1 game before losing the 2nd. Good experience for the young guys.
  2. By losing the 2nd game, we are still in the Lottery of one of the better Drafts in a while.
  3. Go 'Atlanta' and jump up into the top-4.
Rip City Happiness!!! :blazerwookie:
 
TBpup said:
Goals:

  1. Get to the Play-In and win 1 game before losing the 2nd. Good experience for the young guys.
  2. By losing the 2nd game, we are still in the Lottery of one of the better Drafts in a while.
  3. Go 'Atlanta' and jump up into the top-4.
Rip City Happiness!!! :blazerwookie:
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What could go wrong?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can't remember who I was listening to today, but they brought up that there's a real fear from teams about sitting players after the news of a federal investigation of Rozier.

This could affect tanking for the rest of the season. It will be interesting to see if we sit Grant and Simons after the deadline if they're still on the team.
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What? Why would that guy’s situation have anything to do with what coaches are doing with their rotations? That sounds like something the JinxSpeed guy would say.
 
TBpup said:
Goals:

  1. Get to the Play-In and win 1 game before losing the 2nd. Good experience for the young guys.
  2. By losing the 2nd game, we are still in the Lottery of one of the better Drafts in a while.
  3. Go 'Atlanta' and jump up into the top-4.
Rip City Happiness!!! :blazerwookie:
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Goals:

Play Scoot, Banton, Sharpe, Camara, Clingan

That team can play well, improve, and still lose many games

Rest (injury *wink) both DAs

Trade Ant Grant Timelord Thybulle

Add top 5 pick in the draft. Top 3 if we get lucky.

Balance roster with assets from trading the vets mentioned above.

Win championships.
 
At their current pace (0.420), the Blazers are targeting 34.4 wins by the end of the season.

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Have the Blazers hit bottom?

My guess is they'll cool off a bit and end with around 31 wins and the 8th pick in the draft. I'm okay with that. I want this to be the last year the Blazers are in the lottery. 4 years in a row is enough for me. Let's start building that winning culture.

Time to start looking up.

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I still have no idea what this organization’s plan is. Maybe we will know more Friday but I think all signs are pointing to keep the roster as-is and try to make the play in next year. Scoot Shae and DC will be from the bench from here on out, barring injuries etc which would give them starting roles. I do not think that is a good plan but it is clear winning helps team morale and chemistry (duh). The problem is the west is simply flush with teams that are better than the blazers. POR cannot compete with HOU, OKC, SAS, MEM, DEN. Verdict is out on LAL DAL MIN SAC and LAC. Plus who wants to bet against Curry in 7 g series? POR simply does not have a true star to will them to success. They would of had a shot with a top 3 pick if patient but it seems the rebuild is OVER.
 
Cugel said:
I still have no idea what this organization’s plan is. Maybe we will know more Friday but I think all signs are pointing to keep the roster as-is and try to make the play in next year. Scoot Shae and DC will be from the bench from here on out, barring injuries etc which would give them starting roles. I do not think that is a good plan but it is clear winning helps team morale and chemistry (duh). The problem is the west is simply flush with teams that are better than the blazers. POR cannot compete with HOU, OKC, SAS, MEM, DEN. Verdict is out on LAL DAL MIN SAC and LAC. Plus who wants to bet against Curry in 7 g series? POR simply does not have a true star to will them to success. They would of had a shot with a top 3 pick if patient but it seems the rebuild is OVER.
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The problem with everyone who is so excited about where we're at right now and what our trajectory is, happens to be what you're unfortunately accurately assessing. I don't know about the Grizzlies and Nuggets in 5 or 6 years but what we have when looking at the prime windows for Shaedon, Scoot and DC is just so much worse than what those windows look like for the Rockets, Thunder and Spurs.

What it seems like we're doing right now and hopefully we'll learn that I'm wrong by Thursday but what it looks like is that we're aiming to lose in the first round every post season starting next year and going forward until the next rebuild. That fucking sucks!!!

All because a bunch of people: fans on this forum, other fans, seemingly management and/or our shit show of an ownership group got sick of losing and made all of the losses we've had to endure over the last three plus seasons fucking meaningless. If we half ass this rebuild, like it looks like we're prepared to do, we will have been screwed over for the last few seasons just to end up worse than we were during the half assed Dame era.
 
blazerkor said:
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The problem with everyone who is so excited about where we're at right now and what our trajectory is, happens to be what you're unfortunately accurately assessing. I don't know about the Grizzlies and Nuggets in 5 or 6 years but what we have when looking at the prime windows for Shaedon, Scoot and DC is just so much worse than what those windows look like for the Rockets, Thunder and Spurs.

What it seems like we're doing right now and hopefully we'll learn that I'm wrong by Thursday but what it looks like is that we're aiming to lose in the first round every post season starting next year and going forward until the next rebuild. That fucking sucks!!!

All because a bunch of people: fans on this forum, other fans, seemingly management and/or our shit show of an ownership group got sick of losing and made all of the losses we've had to endure over the last three plus seasons fucking meaningless. If we half ass this rebuild, like it looks like we're prepared to do, we will have been screwed over for the last few seasons just to end up worse than we were during the half assed Dame era.
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The turnaround happened organically. The young players got better. Defense got better. The team developed chemistry. What are we supposed to do? We’re like Houston last year or the Bubble Suns. This could carry over to next year,
 
KingSpeed said:
The turnaround happened organically. The young players got better. Defense got better. The team developed chemistry. What are we supposed to do? We’re like Houston last year or the Bubble Suns. This could carry over to next year,
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The turnaround was allowed to happen too quickly. And we'll likely never been as good as we were when Dame was here, unless we get extraordinarily lucky.
 
Fans on this forum are responsible for the team winning recently? Crazy
 
Phatguysrule said:
The turnaround was allowed to happen too quickly. And we'll likely never been as good as we were when Dame was here, unless we get extraordinarily lucky.
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I think we’re currently playing better than the Dame teams ever did. Better size. Better defense. Scoot’s a better playmaker than Dame was. And Scoot/Sharpe/Cling/Camara/Deni are trending up. There are potential All Stars in that group. Evan Turner, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic, even CJ weren’t players that were getting better. They were what they were. No upside. This group has way more potential than any of the Dame teams, IMO.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The turnaround was allowed to happen too quickly. And we'll likely never been as good as we were when Dame was here, unless we get extraordinarily lucky.
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... and as good as we were when Dame was here just wasn't close to good enough. If we want a championship we can't have a team that loses in the first and second round and makes one fluky run to the conference finals only to be swept. We need a team that is likely to be in the finals and is consistently in the conference finals (see the current Boston Celtics).

People who were whining about all of the losing up until 9 games ago and are happy right now, actually don't want to win it all. They just care about the next game but have no concept of a championship. It's straight up shortsightedness you see it everywhere in human behavior. It's all about what people need in that moment and no planning for actual long term sustainable success. It's disgusting!
 
KingSpeed said:
I think we’re currently playing better than the Dame teams ever did. Better size. Better defense. Scoot’s a better playmaker than Dame was. And Scoot/Sharpe/Cling/Camara/Deni are trending up. There are potential All Stars in that group. Evan Turner, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic, even CJ weren’t players that were getting better. They were what they were. No upside. This group has way more potential than any of the Dame teams, IMO.
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Harkless, Aminu, Nurk and CJ were all young and full of potential at one point as well.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Harkless, Aminu, Nurk and CJ were all young and full of potential at one point as well.
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No, Sharpe has a way higher ceiling than CJ ever had. Harkless and Aminu never had All Star potential and showed no growth in their time as a Blazer. Maybe Nurk had star potential.
 
TBpup said:
Goals:

  1. Get to the Play-In and win 1 game before losing the 2nd. Good experience for the young guys.
  2. By losing the 2nd game, we are still in the Lottery of one of the better Drafts in a while.
  3. Go 'Atlanta' and jump up into the top-4.
Rip City Happiness!!! :blazerwookie:
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If we get to a playin game I think I'd rather just win it, make the playoffs, and eliminate our pick debt to Chicago.

Yes we would lose a 2025 pick in the middle of the draft. But we'd gain both the pick we had owed Chicago and we would guarantee we receive the 2028 pick swap from Milwaukee.

The Blazers getting to the playoffs would be great experience for all our young players. Even if we get swept. It usually takes a year or two of being in the playoffs before learning how to win a round, then a year or two of winning a round before being able to become a fringe contender. This would at least start the process of many of our youth getting some of that experience.

Now I don't think the Blazers will actually ultimately do the above this season. I'm just saying thats what I would root for, I'd be happy if we were able to attain it, and I wouldn't worry about the loss of draft value as it would be less than the value our youth had gained.
 
KingSpeed said:
No, Sharpe has a way higher ceiling than CJ ever had. Harkless and Aminu never had All Star potential and showed no growth in their time as a Blazer. Maybe Nurk had star potential.
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These are fantastic opinions. What percent of players do you think reach their ceiling?
 
inconceivable said:
Goals:

Play Scoot, Banton, Sharpe, Camara, Clingan

That team can play well, improve, and still lose many games

Rest (injury *wink) both DAs

Trade Ant Grant Timelord Thybulle

Add top 5 pick in the draft. Top 3 if we get lucky.

Balance roster with assets from trading the vets mentioned above.

Win championships.
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We already have as many wins as we had in 82 games last year where we got the 7th pick. The ship has sailed on us being in a likely position of pick3 or pick5.
 
blazerkor said:
... and as good as we were when Dame was here just wasn't close to good enough. If we want a championship we can't have a team that loses in the first and second round and makes one fluky run to the conference finals only to be swept. We need a team that is likely to be in the finals and is consistently in the conference finals (see the current Boston Celtics).

People who were whining about all of the losing up until 9 games ago and are happy right now, actually don't want to win it all. They just care about the next game but have no concept of a championship. It's straight up shortsightedness you see it everywhere in human behavior. It's all about what people need in that moment and no planning for actual long term sustainable success. It's disgusting!
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I agree with you up to the last two lines. Because although we do need a superstar on this team, tanking still has very low odds of getting us one. And if we did get one it would be another 5 years until they were ready. How many #1 picks have won a championship for the team that drafted them in the last 25 years? LBJ and Duncan? Not many. Yes, the draft is still our best chance to get one, but history has shown that it is still a long shot. I can't get to worked up over those odds.
 
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