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yuyuza1 said:
Are you trying to equate Simons or Trent or even Zach to future hall of famer Chris Bosh? None of our guys have that ceiling.
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No, not at all but adding young talent isn't necessarily a sign that you are giving up on your prime players. Carter might have had a better chance at winning a title had he not sulked that year (not that his career wasn't really good).
 
Reading all of this thread, finally.....I offer these comments:

1) July 2015 - Aldridge leaves for Spurs, Blazers break up very good starting 5 and begin to RETOOL around Dame.
2) Olshey brings in Aminu, Davis, give more playing time to CJ and Blazers are SURPRISINGLY NOT a lottery team!
3) Olshey uses RARE cap space to sign ET and matches on Crabbe offer sheet and re-signs/retains Leonard and Harkless.
4) Steve Blake turns into Jusuf Nurkic!!
5) Drafting quality skilled players in past few yrs: Collins - Simons - Swanigan - Trent (via trade)

Is it perfect? No, of course not. But we didn't have to go through 2003-2006 again! We avoided being a bad team and the pain that goes along with it. But it also means, that its MUCH HARDER to land an impact player in his youth. We're still transitioning from Aldridge and the guys (Lopez, Batum, Matthews) to Dame, CJ and the young guys!

Olshey is being patient........something some in here could benefit from.......and he really hasn't made a BAD trade or move. The only close one for me was re-signing Leonard without him having received an offer sheet. We could have matched his $8M/yr deal from someone.

Olshey is working!! He will pounce when the deal is right. He's not going to swap CJ for DeRozen and just create a new, same level lineup! He wants to improve.
 
If the Blazers don't win the championship by the time the season begins, Olshey needs to go. Period.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Are you trying to equate Simons or Trent or even Zach to future hall of famer Chris Bosh? None of our guys have that ceiling.
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Bosh has always been overrated as fuck, IMO. He was a moderately better version of LA. The only reason he ever won was because he got traded to a team with LBJ and Wade where he could play his rightful role as 3rd wheel. I think it's entirely possible that Collins or Simons could put up big numbers on a crap team like Bosh did in TOR.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Reading all of this thread, finally.....I offer these comments:

1) July 2015 - Aldridge leaves for Spurs, Blazers break up very good starting 5 and begin to RETOOL around Dame.
2) Olshey brings in Aminu, Davis, give more playing time to CJ and Blazers are SURPRISINGLY NOT a lottery team!
3) Olshey uses RARE cap space to sign ET and matches on Crabbe offer sheet and re-signs/retains Leonard and Harkless.
4) Steve Blake turns into Jusuf Nurkic!!
5) Drafting quality skilled players in past few yrs: Collins - Simons - Swanigan - Trent (via trade)

Is it perfect? No, of course not. But we didn't have to go through 2003-2006 again! We avoided being a bad team and the pain that goes along with it. But it also means, that its MUCH HARDER to land an impact player in his youth. We're still transitioning from Aldridge and the guys (Lopez, Batum, Matthews) to Dame, CJ and the young guys!

Olshey is being patient........something some in here could benefit from.......and he really hasn't made a BAD trade or move. The only close one for me was re-signing Leonard without him having received an offer sheet. We could have matched his $8M/yr deal from someone.

Olshey is working!! He will pounce when the deal is right. He's not going to swap CJ for DeRozen and just create a new, same level lineup! He wants to improve.
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Nice post! It puts the whole growth stage in perspective, imo.
But also, the expectations this next two years goes way up.
 
I would add (easy looking back) that signing Leonard and Harkless to 4yr deals tied our hands. Deals (obviously) would have been better if 2yr guaranteed and then T.O. for both. We wouldn't have ML and we would still have MH on roster IMO.
 
yuyuza1 said:


This is status quo. This is resignation to the fact that this is the squad Dame has to roll with. Dame is more mature than pretty much any other star and that's why he'll fight like hell to drag this team to the playoffs. In 2003, Vince Carter wanted his team to trade for veterans to take the next step-- instead they drafted a young Chris Bosh. VC then tanked the next season and forced his way out. Dame isn't that kinda guy, and that's why you build around him. Shame that Neil and his lack of foresight into team building will waste away the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.
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A little ironic, eh?

VC “trade for Vets!”

Drafts future all-star

VC “god damnit, I’m out!”

So maybe Dame’s patience is understanding that Neil’s approach to team building is the appropriate one; something VC failed to understand - in your own example.
 
blue9 said:
Bosh has always been overrated as fuck, IMO. He was a moderately better version of LA. The only reason he ever won was because he got traded to a team with LBJ and Wade where he could play his rightful role as 3rd wheel. I think it's entirely possible that Collins or Simons could put up big numbers on a crap team like Bosh did in TOR.
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Chris Bosh is an 11 time all star. Gimme a break. Overrated?

JoshuaHall said:
A little ironic, eh?

VC “trade for Vets!”

Drafts future all-star

VC “god damnit, I’m out!”

So maybe Dame’s patience is understanding that Neil’s approach to team building is the appropriate one; something VC failed to understand - in your own example.
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Next time we land a prospect as highly touted and as good as Bosh, maybe we won't be as disappointed. Our best prospect averaged 8 points per game on 40% shooting in summer league going up against guys that won't be in the NBA next year. Yes his defense was stellar, but you're telling me he is our next great hope?
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Chris Bosh is an 11 time all star*. Gimme a break. Overrated?
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*Played the majority of his career in an INCREDIBLY WEAK conference, and then with two HOFers. Did he ever lead TOR to a winning record?

Edit: I just looked it up and TOR had a winning season ONCE while he was there. If a WC all-star selection doesn't mean shit to me, than an EC selection - ESPECIALLY during that era - means a whole lot less. Yeah, he's overrated.
 
yuyuza1 said:


This is status quo. This is resignation to the fact that this is the squad Dame has to roll with. Dame is more mature than pretty much any other star and that's why he'll fight like hell to drag this team to the playoffs. In 2003, Vince Carter wanted his team to trade for veterans to take the next step-- instead they drafted a young Chris Bosh. VC then tanked the next season and forced his way out. Dame isn't that kinda guy, and that's why you build around him. Shame that Neil and his lack of foresight into team building will waste away the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.
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What I hear is that, over the years, Dame has lost some of his enthusiasm for this situation.
 
Neil can't trade a rook until Aug 5, right? Maybe we need to wait until then to draw conclusions about the summer.
 
Reep said:
Neil can't trade a rook until Aug 5, right? Maybe we need to wait until then to draw conclusions about the summer.
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30 days from whenever they signed.
It seems like they would have waited to sign either if there was thought they could include one in a deal.
 
RR7 said:
30 days from whenever they signed.
It seems like they would have waited to sign either if there was thought they could include one in a deal.
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Unless something broke loose after they signed Trent (they did sign him, right?). A lot of pieces have moved this past week. Might change things.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Chris Bosh is an 11 time all star. Gimme a break. Overrated?



Next time we land a prospect as highly touted and as good as Bosh, maybe we won't be as disappointed. Our best prospect averaged 8 points per game on 40% shooting in summer league going up against guys that won't be in the NBA next year. Yes his defense was stellar, but you're telling me he is our next great hope?
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Please show me where I said this.
 
HCP said:
You sir should ready yourself for a great letdown. Ed was the heart and soul of this team ON and OFF the court. Stats don’t show true value sometimes.
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No disrespect to Ed, but he's no Wes Matthews. Compared to Wes, Ed was like having arrhythmia.
 
RR7 said:
30 days from whenever they signed.
It seems like they would have waited to sign either if there was thought they could include one in a deal.
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Most rookies sign their deals before they will participate in summer league.
 
After the draft Neil used the excuse that no one in the league is making trades to explain his inactivity... I would love to hear his excuse now that a bunch of trades have gone down... unbelievable after getting swept by a mediocre Pelicans Neil is bringing back essentially the same team
 
1.Warriors
2.Rockets
3.Utah (healthy Gobert)
4.Lakers (LeBron)
5.T-Wolves (healthy Butler)
6.OKC
7.Denver (healthy Milsap, IT)
8.Spurs (DeRozen)
9.Pelicans (Randle)
10.Status Quo Blazers
 
Gronk Brady said:
1.Warriors
2.Rockets
3.Utah (healthy Gobert)
4.Lakers (LeBron)
5.T-Wolves (healthy Butler)
6.OKC
7.Denver (healthy Milsap, IT)
8.Spurs (DeRozen)
9.Pelicans (Randle)
10.Status Quo Blazers
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Okay, you can't really be serious about Spurs, OKC and Denver?

Certainly:

Tier 1: Warriors; Rockets
Tier 2: Utah, T-Wolves, Denver, Pelicans, Blazers
Tier 3: Spurs, OKC, L@kers

Or another way to look at it:
Warriors (gained another all-star starter)
Rockets (lost Ariza, may gain the human anchor Anthony)
Utah (status quo)
Lakers (Ball coming off knee surgery, LABron)
T-Wolves (status quo with infighting)
OKC (minus Anthony)
Denver (IT?!?!?!?)
Spurs (lost two of their best players and have minimal talent remaining)
Pelicans (Randle, I'll give you this one)
Blazers (very young bigs growing, added four significant shooting options)
 
Reep said:
Okay, you can't really be serious about Spurs, OKC and Denver?

Certainly:

Tier 1: Warriors; Rockets
Tier 2: Utah, T-Wolves, Denver, Pelicans, Blazers
Tier 3: Spurs, OKC, L@kers

Or another way to look at it:
Warriors (gained another all-star starter)
Rockets (lost Ariza, may gain the human anchor Anthony)
Utah (status quo)
Lakers (Ball coming off knee surgery, LABron)
T-Wolves (status quo with infighting)
OKC (minus Anthony)
Denver (IT?!?!?!?)
Spurs (lost two of their best players and have minimal talent remaining)
Pelicans (Randle, I'll give you this one)
Blazers (very young bigs growing, added four significant shooting options)
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LeBron has been at minimum a +11 wins in his first season on new team. Carmelo was an addition by subtraction, plus all nba defender Roberson was injured last year. TWolves were 3rd seed until Butler got injured. DeRozen, LA and Popovic better than Dame, CJ, and Stotts. Having Gobert healthy all year is better than status quo.
 
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