Summer of 2010 - Are we players?

[Wizard Mentor]

Teams are clearing cap space for the summer of 2010 when
LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and others become available.

According to http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9132
it looks like we should be be able to afford a max FA, but people
on this board aren't talking about it.

Is it because...
a) I'm wrong, we won't have the space?
b) LBJ et. al. won't want to come to P-town?
c) KP will make too many trades by then to determine what's what?
c) It's too far away to talk about (though several are willing to trade Raef's contract away)?


p.s. I know the above link doesn't have Webster's new contract.

 

[BrianFromWA]

People seem to think that the space will be gone this summer, whether by trade or FA signing.
But it's true...if we're still under the cap in October, we're in the game.

 

[alex42083]

Don't we have to sign Brandon and LaMarcus this coming summer, or else risk losing them if they sign a qualifying offer and then they become unrestricted FA? Not exactly sure really..

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Don't we have to sign Brandon and LaMarcus this coming summer, or else risk losing them if they sign a qualifying offer and then they become unrestricted FA? Not exactly sure really..

I was thinking the same thing (Roy and Aldridge will get fat extentions this summer) . . . but don't really know for sure.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Don't we have to sign Brandon and LaMarcus this coming summer, or else risk losing them if they sign a qualifying offer and then they become unrestricted FA? Not exactly sure really..

That was my understanding from some of the readings, but according to the link, it's not until after next year.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Not knowing anything about when players can become restricted free agents, qualifying offers ect.

As I see it, Chris Paul and Deron Williams both got huge extentions after their third year (I believe). So I don't know if the Blazers need to offer Roy an extention this summer (in order to keep his rights), but if he doesn't get a big extention this summer he would have good reason to be pissed off (Aldridge too).

Is there a flaw in my thinking here?

 

[Nikolokolus]

There's no way the Blazers will push LMA and Roy off until they would be eligible for a QO, look at the disaster the Bulls had waiting so long on Deng and Gordon, and now there's every reason to believe that Big Ben is gone at the conclusion of this season.

I'm not saying that Roy and Aldridge are the prima donnas that BG is, but with both of them so vital to this team's success it could certainly raise their eyebrows if KP forestalled them and if there's one thing you don't want to do, it's risk pissing off the keystones for your franchise.

We're not in the 2010 hunt for high profile free agents, unless some desperate team (Miami, Toronto, Cleveland, etc.) feels that they are about to be left high and dry by and want to get something in return before that player's contract expires.

 

[alex42083]

From what I've been reading about the extensions to Deron and CP3, the Blazers have an exclusive window between July 1, 2009 and Oct. 31, 2009 to sign Brandon and LaMarcus to a maximum five-year extensions. (LeBron and Wade, however, signed three-year extensions so they could test the FA market). This happens after the third year of the rookie contract.

Only the Blazers can negotiate with Brandon and LaMarcus this coming summer, or else they will become restricted FAs in the summer of 2010. However, you run the risk of pissing them off, and then they just play for the qualifying offer for one more season and then become unrestricted FAs.

So you want to sign them to extensions this summer, and hopefully they take the five-year max contract.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I wonder . . . is LA a max player?

 

[alex42083]

I wonder . . . is LA a max player?

Good question. But for a No. 2 pick in the draft and is a proven young PF, I bet we sign him to close to the max.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

From what I've been reading about the extensions to Deron and CP3, the Blazers have an exclusive window between July 1, 2009 and Oct. 31, 2009 to sign Brandon and LaMarcus to a maximum five-year extensions. (LeBron and Wade, however, signed three-year extensions so they could test the FA market). This happens after the third year of the rookie contract.

Only the Blazers can negotiate with Brandon and LaMarcus this coming summer, or else they will become restricted FAs in the summer of 2010. However, you run the risk of pissing them off, and then they just play for the qualifying offer for one more season and then become unrestricted FAs.

So you want to sign them to extensions this summer, and hopefully they take the five-year max contract.

That's what I thought, but I don't see how that jibes with the link.

 

[crowTrobot]

I wonder . . . is LA a max player?

no, at least not unless he has a monster rest of the season.

 

[B-Roy]

Why would we sign both to max contracts? Are they really worth that much? Look what happened with the 70 million club this year. (Deng, Iguodala etc.)

 

[MARIS61]

Bake the cake, re-sign, re-sign, re-sign...

Keep building through the draft as needed.

Just say NO! to vets.

 

[alex42083]

That's what I thought, but I don't see how that jibes with the link.

I think Brandon's and LaMarcus' extensions will be so much that we can't offer a max player contract for the 2010-11 season. And plus in the 2010 summer, we'll have to sign Greg's extension.

 

[alex42083]

Here's the figures that I'm guessing that we'll already have on our cap in the 2010 summer, based on the hoopsworld cap figures:

Joel - 7.4 mil
Greg - 6.8 mil (last year of rookie contract)
LaMarcus - at least $10 mil (his extension replaces the qualifying offer figure)
Brandon - at least $15 mil (Deron signed a 4-year, $70 mil contract)
Jerryd - $2.3 mil
Rudy - $1.2 mil
Nicolas - $1.2 mil
Martell - $5 mil

That's already $48.9 million, and you might have to even add another $5 million for LaMarcus. I think the cap is around $59 million this year.

Plus, Sergio is due for an extension and these figures don't include Blake, Travis and Frye if we want to keep them, in addition to first-round draft picks if we have them.
So who knows? I might be wrong as I'm no Tom Penn.. but that's my assumption.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't see how we could have any space for 2010. We'll probably lock up both Brandon and LMA this summer.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bake the cake, re-sign, re-sign, re-sign...

Keep building through the draft as needed.

Just say NO! to vets.

At what point do we take the cake out of the fucking oven and frost the damn thing? I'm tired of baking.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Here's the figures that I'm guessing that we'll already have on our cap in the 2010 summer, based on the hoopsworld cap figures:

Joel - 7.4 mil
Greg - 6.8 mil (last year of rookie contract)
LaMarcus - at least $10 mil (his extension replaces the qualifying offer figure)
Brandon - at least $15 mil (Deron signed a 4-year, $70 mil contract)
Jerryd - $2.3 mil
Rudy - $1.2 mil
Nicolas - $1.2 mil
Martell - $5 mil

That's already $48.9 million, and you might have to even add another $5 million for LaMarcus. I think the cap is around $59 million this year.

Plus, Sergio is due for an extension and these figures don't include Blake, Travis and Frye if we want to keep them, in addition to first-round draft picks if we have them.
So who knows? I might be wrong as I'm no Tom Penn.. but that's my assumption.

So, why not sign Brandon for 10, 18, 20, 22 instead of 15, 17, 18, 21
and a similar thing with LMA?

Wouldn't that give us space to sign LBJ if he wanted to come?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think Brandon's and LaMarcus' extensions will be so much that we can't offer a max player contract for the 2010-11 season. And plus in the 2010 summer, we'll have to sign Greg's extension.

Can the Blazers make that an incentive based contract?

 

[alex42083]

So, why not sign Brandon for 10, 18, 20, 22 instead of 15, 17, 18, 21
and a similar thing with LMA?

Wouldn't that give us space to sign LBJ if he wanted to come?

You can only sign players to 10.5% annual raises, according to the Larry Coon salary cap site, which explains Deron's contract figures.

 

[Nikolokolus]

At what point do we take the cake out of the fucking oven and frost the damn thing? I'm tired of baking.

Yeah if you bake a cake too long you can burn the hell out of it sending the damn thing up in flames. Oh, I like frosting btw.

 

[crowTrobot]

So, why not sign Brandon for 10, 18, 20, 22 instead of 15, 17, 18, 21
and a similar thing with LMA?

i don't think that's legal.

 

[alex42083]

Can the Blazers make that an incentive based contract?

Haha.. dude, your user name is It's GO time! Plus... I just read incentives count against the cap anyway..

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You can only sign players to 10.5% annual raises, according to the Larry Coon salary cap site, which explains Deron's contract figures.

OK, thanks.

 

[alex42083]

So, why not sign Brandon for 10, 18, 20, 22 instead of 15, 17, 18, 21
and a similar thing with LMA?

Wouldn't that give us space to sign LBJ if he wanted to come?

Also, the hoopsworld site mentions the capholds that Travis, Blake and Sergio have, which is around $29 milliion that count against the 2010 cap figure. So until we either just flat out renounce them, re-sign them or they sign somewhere else, that's a big number with no room to sign anybody really.