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I'm there. What again is the issue? Do we not think that in 2 years we'll have a decent point guard around if Nash is decrepit? And by then our team will have had 2 years of fantastic play?
 
so we give up raef/bayless/outlaw/#1 for OLD nash and CRAPPY stromile swift? sign me up!!!

old nash with excellent vision, shooting, and helping our guys get easy buckets who we're only commited to for two years, and what PG wouldn't want to sign on with us in two years to feed our guys? We'll also have Roy and Fernandez demanding a lot of playing time and Sergio and Koponen should provide something. You don't trust that KP could work out something in two years?

Stro-show is filler, nothing more.

I like this heading into 2010:
Nash/Sergio/Koponen/AMiles (cheap young guy, local, vet experience, tearing it up in Europe)
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla/Freeland

with two roster spots for KP to get minimum salary experienced vets or high potential prospects (we have four seconds next year)
 
Let's talk about what Nash is...the fifth best shooter in league history (basketball-reference.com)

History doesn't help the Blazers. The Blazers have plenty of great shooters now.

and a guy who would be incredible in our offense. I know it's trendy for idiots to say Nash can't work in a team that plays half-court AT ALL. But it's a bunch of crap.

Are you calling Steve Nash an idiot? Because he himself has complained plenty about the system and how it's a bad fit for him. He hasn't been incredible in Terry Porters system, which is very smilier to Portland's. Not only has his play been down, but he's been a cancer, complaining to the media about the style of play and how HE thinks they should be running more.

Nash is a bad defender, but not a terrible one

Nash is one of the single worst defenders in the history of the game. He's as bad as any 2nd string PG in the league defensively. Defense wins Championships and Nash is more about selfish offensive play. Steve Nash will never win a team a Championship, he doesn't have the skills for it. His play is all flash, but has a negative impact on true NBA Championship team play.

POR trades: Blake/Bayless/Outlaw/Raef/1st rounder
POR receives: Nash/Swift


NJ trades: Carter/Swift
NJ receives: Raef/Bell/Outlaw/Bayless/POR 1st

PHX trades: Nash/Bell
PHX receives: Carter/Blake

this year
Nash/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla



This is the worst trade proposal I've ever seen in my life. That is not an exaggeration, worst trade EVER!
 
History doesn't help the Blazers. The Blazers have plenty of great shooters now.

Are you calling Steve Nash an idiot? Because he himself has complained plenty about the system and how it's a bad fit for him. He hasn't been incredible in Terry Porters system, which is very smilier to Portland's. Not only has his play been down, but he's been a cancer, complaining to the media about the style of play and how HE thinks they should be running more.

*edited: No personal attacks*

You're right the blazers have plenty of great shooters, and they need a good passer to feed them. When Sergio comes in the game players move around, it's no coincidence. It's also a fact that teams with mobile big men normally get a lot of easy buckets (as do almost every contender ever) we get almost no easy baskets, Steve Nash teams always get a lot.

It's also a fact that Portland wants to run more but Blake holds them up. Many times this year in the huddle Nate's been saying to run more and we get a ton of rebounds and blocks so it's very possible. Nate believes in getting an easy basket early or a smart basket late, Nash could run the break and a quick pick n roll, and Roy can iso and kick at the end of the shot clock, that would work well.

Nash has always worked very well in pick n rolls, which has been Phoenix's main play the last couple of years, they run almost zero pick n rolls now. Phoenix doesn't run hardly at all. We (if Nash came) would be a ton more like Phoenix a couple years ago than Phoenix is currently structured.
 
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It's also a fact that Portland wants to run more but Blake holds them up.
Huh? Blake is very quick, and he loves to run. I've never seen him "holding the Blazers up."

However, the idea of acquiring Nash is an interesting one. I wouldn't be surprised if Pritchard tried to pull it off.
 
anybody think we might use a vet presence to lead our offense after last night? I'm not saying trade half the team or I'm mad or anything like that, but we need to find a way to get easy buckets, because everything we get comes hard or is open long jumpers. When teams play with playoff intensity against that we're gonna need to grab some easy buckets somewhere more in rhythm.

And BTW I've never heard Blake described as fast or quick, he is average speed and below average handle for a PG. Blake's biggest strength is that he really doesn't play outside of his capabilities (which is a good thing) which leads to less mistakes, but he is not fast, quick, or even proficient on the break. Don't delude yourself.

And I hate Garnett!
 
*edited: No personal attacks*

You're right the blazers have plenty of great shooters, and they need a good passer to feed them. When Sergio comes in the game players move around, it's no coincidence. It's also a fact that teams with mobile big men normally get a lot of easy buckets (as do almost every contender ever) we get almost no easy baskets, Steve Nash teams always get a lot.

Steve Nash can't make Greg Oden make a dunk. The team will start getting inside scoring when Oden develops into the player he's supposed to be.

It's also a fact that Portland wants to run more but Blake holds them up. Many times this year in the huddle Nate's been saying to run more and we get a ton of rebounds and blocks so it's very possible. Nate believes in getting an easy basket early or a smart basket late, Nash could run the break and a quick pick n roll, and Roy can iso and kick at the end of the shot clock, that would work well.

Okay, everything you just posted is the complete opposite of the truth and/or an outright lie. The Blazers do not want to run more, Nate has always been (and will always be) a slow-it-down, half-court, defensive minded, slow paced coach. Anyone who claims to be a Blazer fan should know this simple and fundamental concept. The very reason Sergio has had such a hard time getting playing time is because he always plays up-tempo, when Nate wants him to slow down. And thank you for your insights into the Blazers time-out conversations, what position do you play?

Nash has always worked very well in pick n rolls, which has been Phoenix's main play the last couple of years, they run almost zero pick n rolls now. Phoenix doesn't run hardly at all. We (if Nash came) would be a ton more like Phoenix a couple years ago than Phoenix is currently structured.

Why would the Blazers want to be like the Suns of a couple years ago? They didn't do anything. No team in the history of the NBA that has played a style similar to Phoenix and won anything. Why do you want the Blazers to play a style that is 100% guaranteed to keep you from an NBA Championship.
 
I don't care that much if the Blazers run or don't run, honestly. I just want them to get easy baskets... running will help us do so, which is why I think lots of people would like to see it.

I do think we should try to rework our offense a bit, and get the right rotation to play the way we want. We should be dictating what pace we want to play, and that will come as our team gets better.

We are going to be great.
 
Steve Nash can't make Greg Oden make a dunk. The team will start getting inside scoring when Oden develops into the player he's supposed to be.

Oden was dunking more/Joel is dunking more now playing with the second unit. The ball movement (with a real PG) is so much better. players are motivated to get into good positions/make cuts because they know they'll be rewarded for it. With Nash the effect would be much greater because better players would be doing it. Greg's looks right now are dumps into the post with no one else moving, tough way to learn in isos.

Okay, everything you just posted is the complete opposite of the truth and/or an outright lie. The Blazers do not want to run more, Nate has always been (and will always be) a slow-it-down, half-court, defensive minded, slow paced coach. Anyone who claims to be a Blazer fan should know this simple and fundamental concept. The very reason Sergio has had such a hard time getting playing time is because he always plays up-tempo, when Nate wants him to slow down. And thank you for your insights into the Blazers time-out conversations, what position do you play?

Every damn time they come back with an update during the TO she says he's trying to get them to run more. Last night it war repeated multiple times. Nate has always said he wants to run more off of defensive stops in steals and rebounds. Well we've got those rebounds more now! Slow paced my ass, Nate always says you score before the defense is set or the best shot possible near the end of the clock. If Nash were here we'd try before the defense was set up w/Nash (first 12 seconds) then give it to Roy to work his magic once everything was set (last 12 seconds). Many of the times Roy scores and dominates a possession he just dribbles around at the top of the three point line the first half of the shot clock anyways.

Sergio didn't play because of his defense, and he looked terrible trying to create for players who refused to move w/o the ball or set decent picks. His main guys last year were Jack, Outlaw, and Frye (who can set decent picks). No one to feed down low, mediocre shooters, no scorers, and Jack was semi-competing with him while on the court.

The year before Sergio had made jamaal magloire look half-way decent at times. And don't forget most of LMA early points came off of easy Sergio feeds and getting out on the break. Nash would bring that necessary component to the first unit. [/QUOTE]


Why would the Blazers want to be like the Suns of a couple years ago? They didn't do anything. No team in the history of the NBA that has played a style similar to Phoenix and won anything. Why do you want the Blazers to play a style that is 100% guaranteed to keep you from an NBA Championship.

I didn't say we want to be like them, but I'd like to get some easy buckets to at least be average in the NBA in fast break points. The best two teams in NBA history were great on the break during their LONG runs (Celtics, Lakers). They played good post defense, scored before the defense was set, and if that wasn't there they found ways to get easy buckets and open shots in the half-court. I'm not saying we should run off of made baskets, but we need to become at least AVERAGE in fast break points considering how much we out-rebound teams to not be pathetic.
 

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