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BigGameDamian said:
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I'm watching this intro now...Tsai Ing Wen is no public speaker, that's for sure. Pelosi looks exhausted. August in Southeast Asia is brutally hot and humid. Translater is pretty good...seems a little nervous.
 
GOP leaders Blunt and McConnell just praised Pelosi for standing up for Taiwan democracy. Never thought I'd hear those words but it's about time we had some teamwork in DC for a change.
 
Not sure it's teamwork so much as laying groundwork for calling Biden soft on China.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not sure it's teamwork so much as laying groundwork for calling Biden soft on China.

barfo
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At Joe's age it's going to probably be impossible to be "hard on" China....or hard on anything for that matter. I'll cheer any pro Taiwan activity from both parties at this point. Happy to see this today.
 
(Bloomberg) -- One of Nancy Pelosi’s key meetings on her whirlwind tour of Taiwan reportedly is TSMC, the island’s most valuable company and world’s biggest contract chipmaker.

 
ABM said:
Two words: photo op
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So Pelosi flying half way around the world, in a show of solidarity with a nation that China is at odds with, and has threatened the US to not visit or else bullshit, is the same as the Donald walking across the street and holding a Bible upside down for no reason whatsoever. Got it.
 
riverman said:
No....you're not curious...My wife is a DPP member and so are our relatives...she's Taiwanese and doesn't call herself Chinese ever......pro independence party...the party of the current president. They want to be voted into the United Nations and every diplomatic outreach is a step in the right direction. DPP means Democratic People's Party....KMT Kuomingtang is the Chinese reunification party that claims they are the true govt of China. American policy was established under KMT leadership...only over the last few decades has the DPP gotten a couple of presidents elected. How do they fit into what? Their own country? It was a democratic president who voted them out of the UN to prop up the GNP during an economic depression stateside....Jimmy Carter ....he wanted a billion Chinese buying american goods and traded 23 million Taiwanese allies to gain that market. Trumps Secretary of State Pompeo wanted to do exactly what Pelosi just did his last year in office. When it doesn't suit your political agenda, it doesn't matter eh? Do this thread a favor and delete your dumb Trump photo op for starters. When you tell me your wife is going to Cambodia to support a girls foundation I don't insult her as just going there for a photo op. This trip wasn't about Pelosi...it was about Taiwan. Your posts insult the president of Taiwan as if she is only there for an autograph.
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Lighten up, Francis.

Oh, and thanks for your insights. I actually was curious, and wanted to know how the DPP fits into the One China stance.......as the military drills begin.
 
calvin natt said:
So Pelosi flying half way around the world, in a show of solidarity with a nation that China is at odds with, and has threatened the US to not visit or else bullshit, is the same as the Donald walking across the street and holding a Bible upside down for no reason whatsoever. Got it.
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As I had mentioned earlier, her hometown rag seems to think so.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/nancy-pelosi-selfish-taiwan-trip-17343582.php

.....not to mention other mixed messages.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/20/biden-pelosi-trip-taiwan-china-military-00047031

WHITE HOUSE

Biden on Pelosi trip to Taiwan: ‘The military thinks it's not a good idea’
 
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riverman said:
(Bloomberg) -- One of Nancy Pelosi’s key meetings on her whirlwind tour of Taiwan reportedly is TSMC, the island’s most valuable company and world’s biggest contract chipmaker.

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Doesnt Taiwan sell chips to China as well?
Thus another reason to not attack Taiwan?
 
Hoopguru said:
Doesnt Taiwan sell chips to China as well?
Thus another reason to not attack Taiwan?
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Taiwan is a couple generations ahead of China and the rest of the world in Chip technology.....we are closing in on a deal to have them manufacture them in the States....Taiwan sells everybody chips but hasn't let China have the newest versions yet....Taiwan actually is one of the largest investors in Chinese tech sector but they no longer have a reason to trust their business holdings there...China will not respect intellectual property rights...they prove that over and over again. Not only computer chips but also their biotech industry is one of the best on the planet.
 
ABM said:
Lighten up, Francis.

Oh, and thanks for your insights. I actually was curious, and wanted to know how the DPP fits into the One China stance.......as the military drills begin.
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The military drills have gone on for many many decades...that is nothing new in Taiwan's reality. They are like S Korea with both armies facing each other across the Taiwan strait and maintaining a cold war stand still. I'll lighten up when you get your Trump bible bullshit off the Taiwan thread......what Pelosi did is good for Taiwan, democracy and American interests. You didn't need to bring partisan comparisons with Trump's photo op and our diplomatic team visiting our ally in the Pacific just as an opportunity to hate on democrats.....I applauded when Pompeo wanted to go there, I applauded when Newt Gingrich went there. Good thing you didn't hear what my wife had to say about your post.....when you post genuine interest in a subject I happen to know a bit about, drop the MAGA crap Tucker .
 
ABM said:
As I had mentioned earlier, her hometown rag seems to think so.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/nancy-pelosi-selfish-taiwan-trip-17343582.php

.....not to mention other mixed messages.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/20/biden-pelosi-trip-taiwan-china-military-00047031

WHITE HOUSE

Biden on Pelosi trip to Taiwan: ‘The military thinks it's not a good idea’
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The news here is that a Speaker of the house doesn't need permission from a newpaper or the president to travel abroad and conduct the business of foreign relations. Joe Biden just assured China we weren't promoting their independence under his administration which is to defuse the tensions we have in the Pacific with Chinese naval expansion. Joe is playing both sides against the middle when it comes to China. His call to Xi and Pelosi's delegation to Taiwan in fact has not started WWIII. As I predicted...China again was sabre rattling which they do every election cycle in Taiwan anyway. Biden's morning address to the country about this emphasized that China does not get to tell us where to go or what to do in the world....if Pelosi had not gone..it would have been a huge loss of face to America and been a sign of weakness and fear of China's threats. We called their bluff just like Taiwan calls their bluff every time they vote for a new president...if you really want to know what's going on in Taiwan don't look to the American media for your answers facing midterm elections in the states..look to Taiwan's media ..the game here is "make Biden look bad at any cost to gain control of Congress and the Senate again.
 
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riverman said:
The military drills have gone on for many many decades...that is nothing new in Taiwan's reality. They are like S Korea with both armies facing each other across the Taiwan strait and maintaining a cold war stand still. I'll lighten up when you get your Trump bible bullshit off the Taiwan thread......what Pelosi did is good for Taiwan, democracy and American interests. You didn't need to bring partisan comparisons with Trump's photo op and our diplomatic team visiting our ally in the Pacific just as an opportunity to hate on democrats.....I applauded when Pompeo wanted to go there, I applauded when Newt Gingrich went there. Good thing you didn't hear what my wife had to say about your post.....when you post genuine interest in a subject I happen to know a bit about, drop the MAGA crap Tucker .
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Thanks for the info.
 
riverman said:
Taiwan is a couple generations ahead of China and the rest of the world in Chip technology.....we are closing in on a deal to have them manufacture them in the States....Taiwan sells everybody chips but hasn't let China have the newest versions yet....Taiwan actually is one of the largest investors in Chinese tech sector but they no longer have a reason to trust their business holdings there...China will not respect intellectual property rights...they prove that over and over again. Not only computer chips but also their biotech industry is one of the best on the planet.
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To add to this China has special foreign economic zones where they allow chip makers to operate. Dalian is the one I know about and even Intel has a factory there. The idea was to produce old technology at cheaper labor costs. From what I know IP was a big deal and requires a lot of clearance even within the company when someone is operating in China. China is doing everything they can to steal and replicate the technology, but as Intel vs TSMC shows, that tech is hard to perfect even with billions worth of resources and a full engineering staff dedicated to it. I feel like if China invaded Taiwan, they would starve the world of chips rather than taking over themselves. The brain drain from an invasion would leave the Taiwan portion of that company basically useless.
 
Hoopguru said:
Doesnt Taiwan sell chips to China as well?
Thus another reason to not attack Taiwan?
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That, and Taiwan would kick China's ass. Unless China just glassed the country with nukes. But that would just be dumb.
 
ABM said:
Let's hope not.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/03/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-global-economy-us-china

Pelosi’s Taiwan trip could have significant consequences for global economy
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LMAO!
The global economy is screwed. But it doesn't have anything to do with Palosi.

We'll be mostly alright here in the US, but there will be a lot of suffering worldwide over the next few years. Thanks in large part to Russia. But China was going to fail this decade regardless.
 
Phatguysrule said:
LMAO!
The global economy is screwed. But it doesn't have anything to do with Palosi.

We'll be mostly alright here in the US, but there will be a lot of suffering worldwide over the next few years. Thanks in large part to Russia. But China was going to fail this decade regardless.
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What makes you say that China was going to fail this decade?
 
e_blazer said:
What makes you say that China was going to fail this decade?
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They are getting too old. They don't have enough working age people to support their retirement age people. They have the biggest population bomb in the history of the world.

It sounds like Xi has no clue what's going on. His subordinates are afraid to give him bad news because he literally shoots the messenger.

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Further, the rest of the world is dealing with population bombs of their own and will have to cut back on exports. And China can't support their population without importing 80% of their food and fuel.

The Russian warmaking is going to absolutely screw China. It'll be even worse for them than it would have otherwise been.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
It sounds like Xi has no clue what's going on. His subordinates are afraid to give him bad news because he literally shoots the messenger.
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This is ALWAYS the eventual outcome of fascism/ authoritarianism. Every single time.

As a reminder, this is what you (in the royal sense) vote for when you vote republican in America.
 
Apparently, Taiwan is one of the countries this happens in.

 
SlyPokerDog said:
Apparently, Taiwan is one of the countries this happens in.

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This is something that might happen within the Green Bamboo Triad in Central Taiwan...gangsters there buy young wives and also run prostitution rings. Often preying on couples with gambling debts to get their daughters...it's rare in most of Taiwan, common in mainland China but not unheard of around the organized crime on the island. In my two decades in Taiwan I'd see these creeps show up with their "young wives" in pubs from time to time. Gambling debts are a huge problem in asian culture in general. Otherwise I wouldn't say this is a common story and those parents should lose custody of those girls. It's a crime in Taiwan.
 
riverman said:
This is something that might happen within the Green Bamboo Triad in Central Taiwan...gangsters there buy young wives and also run prostitution rings. Often preying on couples with gambling debts to get their daughters...it's rare in most of Taiwan, common in mainland China but not unheard of around the organized crime on the island. In my two decades in Taiwan I'd see these creeps show up with their "young wives" in pubs from time to time. Gambling debts are a huge problem in asian culture in general. Otherwise I wouldn't say this is a common story and those parents should lose custody of those girls. It's a crime in Taiwan.
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I wonder if Pelosi's husband has any gambling debts?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I wonder if Pelosi's husband has any gambling debts?
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Maybe Nancy should count her children and grandchildren when she gets home. Her husband apparently is an entitled alcoholic. I think of him as our version of a Prince Andrew. Or Tiffany Trump....people know he's around but don't pay attention to him much.
 
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