Tank for Wembanyama (1 Viewer)

[wizenheimer]

So you post some pic and not expect me to reply?

where did I say I didn't expect a reply?

 

[tykendo]

You don't really think that team contends for a title, do you?

It's just this year's team without one of our best scorers but with Bridges.

That team may contend for HCA, but it's not a top-10 NBA team in my opinion, and giving up future draft picks, too... that's just silly and the kind of thinking that has had us mired in low-mediocrity for years.

I get what your saying but i'm looking at Sharpe taking his next step, the wing position in GREAT shape for the 1st time since LA & Batum were there, health, and special player Dame is. I also am including the addition of a great outside shooter like Curry or Harris. The Blazers haven't had that kind of specialist since Curry was here. But that's how i see it. I don't see any of the Western Conference teams as invincible either. There's no Showtime Lakers today in the West.

 

[tykendo]

The West in the NBA is the closest thing to the NFL i've seen in sometime. Teams go worst to 1st in the NFL because of top flight player movement and coaching.

 

[Predator]

Because Mikal Bridges is a fantastic role player, but the Nets want stars. Scoot gives them the flash they're looking for. It NYC.

Bridges was averaging 26/5 as an elite 2 way player at a much more premium position than Scoot.

The Nets would have to be really, really high on Scoot for them to even consider this offer IMO.

 

[Predator]

There are also teams that tank every year and get no where for years. The Kings , for instance. They finally his paydirt with Fox, and Haliburton, and were able to trade one to get Sabonis. But it was 16 freakin' years.

That is one example.
Most teams don’t go through that long of a stretch.
Sacramento also had completely inept management by all accounts for a large portion of that time.

 

[Predator]

Well buckle up, you’re getting your wish, you got no say.

Works for me. I was hardly invested in the playoffs with Stotts as our coach, knowing that we would be out coached and bounced early.

 

[BIG Q]

As an old timer, the younger posters need to know about the NBA Dfaft of the 70's and 80's. Back then there were only 24 teams I believe and 10 rounds to the draft. You could hit on a 3rd or 4th round pick. The players had also been in school for four years and were able to contribute and turn a franchise around immediately. There was no draft lottery either. Now, we have kids that are one and done. Sure, most don't make an impact first year. Some do, like Ja and others. It's possible. But add in to 19 year old one and done's, you also have kids reclassifying to graduate high school early, do their year of college or G-League and then NBA draft. While this does make the NBA lottery a crap shoot, it also makes it the easiest way for a small market team to find their next franchise player. You have to weigh pros and cons to young draftee's over seniors, even juniors. You have to hire a Schmitz, let him do his thing and find the player that can help Dame. A small market team can not afford to just toss four first rounders in a deal. They need to keep bringing in the new young talent, but hit on it when in the lottery.

 

[tykendo]

Bridges was averaging 26/5 as an elite 2 way player at a much more premium position than Scoot.

The Nets would have to be really, really high on Scoot for them to even consider this offer IMO.

I don't think Scoot is all that, no where near the talent Dame is. Dame does everything Scoot does, only Dame does it smoother. And Dame is a premier shooter. I don't wanna hear about defense, Scoots D is against G Leaguers. But maybe Brooklyn is as high on his talent as some of the posters are. That's what i'm hoping.

 

[THE HCP]

Works for me. I was hardly invested in the playoffs with Stotts as our coach, knowing that we would be out coached and bounced early.

And how are you invested now in our playoff run?

 

[cdub503]

And how are you invested now in our playoff run?

at least we've gone lossless! maybe winless too but whos counting!?

 

[Samuel]

I don’t think Siakam is worth the #2 pick.

 

[TBpup]

I don’t think Siakam is worth the #2 pick.

Agreed. Sans Wemby, or many other years, Scoot would be the #1 pick. I don't think you trade that for Siakam, even though he is quite good.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don’t think Siakam is worth the #2 pick.

Not even close.

 

[wizenheimer]

Siakam might be worth a 5-7 pick, depending on the draft class, but that's a legitimate debate

the problem is Portland would have to match his 35.5M salary...and at the draft, the only way Portland could match is with something Ant+Little+Keon...OR, make a bigger trade that includes Nurkic

Ant + Nurkic + Walker + 7th pick for Siakam + Boucher works. That adds about 9M in salary though. And the sum of it all looks pretty expensive for Portland. I think Siakam is about the lowest level player the Blazers should sell their lottery pick for though.

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Boucher/Eubanks

a good starting 4 with weakness at C and holes in the bench it would take some clever management to fill

the 1st trade is probably better leaving:

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurkic

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Siakam might be worth a 5-7 pick, depending on the draft class, but that's a legitimate debate

the problem is Portland would have to match his 35.5M salary...and at the draft, the only way Portland could match is with something Ant+Little+Keon...OR, make a bigger trade that includes Nurkic

Ant + Nurkic + Walker + 7th pick for Siakam + Boucher works. That adds about 9M in salary though. And the sum of it all looks pretty expensive for Portland. I think Siakam is about the lowest level player the Blazers should sell their lottery pick for though.

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Boucher/Eubanks

a good starting 4 with weakness at C and holes in the bench it would take some clever management to fill

the 1st trade is probably better leaving:

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurkic

I agree with you here.
If the pick is >5, Siakam is a good choice. I would prefer to include Orlando with Ant going there for #12 & cap space.

Toronto gets #5 + cap space + Little

Portland gets Siakam +#12

 

[AldoTrapani]

He prefers it because he gets to keep working.

Haha good point

 

[ant]

Dream scenario is landing the #1 and grabbing Wemby, and then using the NY pick for Rayan Rupert (not sure where he’s projected, probably goes earlier).

We’d be a lock for some preseason games in Paris!

 

[STOMP]

I don't think Scoot is all that, no where near the talent Dame is. Dame does everything Scoot does, only Dame does it smoother. And Dame is a premier shooter. I don't wanna hear about defense, Scoots D is against G Leaguers. But maybe Brooklyn is as high on his talent as some of the posters are. That's what i'm hoping.

Hoping in the face of stark reality. Of course you don't want to hear about facts and opinions that contradict your fantastical views. Portland hasn't sucked for 2 years straight, they're just wisely doing some load management getting ready for next year's championship run & I don't wanna hear otherwise.

Good grief with this nonsense. Silly season on the board has begun. They aren't a player away from competing unless that player is an elite talent. Add Siakam to this mix for Ant and the pick and maybe they crack 500 next year.

STOMP

 

[tykendo]

Hoping in the face of stark reality. Of course you don't want to hear about facts and opinions that contradict your fantastical views. Portland hasn't sucked for 2 years straight, they're just wisely doing some load management getting ready for next year's championship run & I don't wanna hear otherwise.

Good grief with this nonsense. Silly season on the board has begun. They aren't a player away from competing unless that player is an elite talent. Add Siakam to this mix for Ant and the pick and maybe they crack 500 next year.

STOMP

OK Relroy.

 

[tykendo]

Siakam might be worth a 5-7 pick, depending on the draft class, but that's a legitimate debate

the problem is Portland would have to match his 35.5M salary...and at the draft, the only way Portland could match is with something Ant+Little+Keon...OR, make a bigger trade that includes Nurkic

Ant + Nurkic + Walker + 7th pick for Siakam + Boucher works. That adds about 9M in salary though. And the sum of it all looks pretty expensive for Portland. I think Siakam is about the lowest level player the Blazers should sell their lottery pick for though.

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Boucher/Eubanks

a good starting 4 with weakness at C and holes in the bench it would take some clever management to fill

the 1st trade is probably better leaving:

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurkic

Not a Bobby Bouche fan. He's not a center. But i like acquiring Siakam. Some in here seem to forget just how good he is, and how good he was in their Championship run. I trade ol' Scootdaddle for Siakam in a heartbeat.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Walker played with G-Leaguers down the stretch and didn’t stand out.

Walker isn't supposed to be a star. He's supposed to be a role player. Role players play off the players around them. Surround them with shit and it's no surprise if they look like shit.

Plus Chauncey jerked Walker around SO MUCH. He never knew game-to-game if he'd get minutes. There's definitely something weird going on there: either Chauncey just hates him or Walker has some issue we don't know about. He can't memorize plays? He's asthmatic? Something.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't think Scoot is all that, no where near the talent Dame is. Dame does everything Scoot does, only Dame does it smoother. And Dame is a premier shooter. I don't wanna hear about defense, Scoots D is against G Leaguers. But maybe Brooklyn is as high on his talent as some of the posters are. That's what i'm hoping.

I'm not saying Scoot is a sure-fire star, but he and Dame aren't that similar. Dame's strength has always been his shooting and that's a Scoot weakness. Scoot plays defense, though. From what I can tell Scoot is much more like a young Russell Westbrook.

 

[tykendo]

Walker finally started to get comfortable shooting the 3 the last week. He struggled mightily with his shot through the season. He looks to be a quality rebounder. Had a real knack for rebounding in traffic, and putting the ball in the hoop afterwards. If his shot can stay consistent, he will be a contributor going forward.

 

[tykendo]

I'm not saying Scoot is a sure-fire star, but he and Dame aren't that similar. Dame's strength has always been his shooting and that's a Scoot weakness. Scoot plays defense, though. From what I can tell Scoot is much more like a young Russell Westbrook.

Could be, but i don't get too excited on how a guy plays defense against G Leaguers.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don’t think Siakam is worth the #2 pick.

Kinda depends on what player we'd take with that pick. There's a strong likelihood that the player taken with the #2 pick turns out worse in the long run than Siakam. But there's a much stronger likelihood that there's a player AVAILABLE at the #2 pick who will be better.

 

[tykendo]

I'm not saying Scoot is a sure-fire star, but he and Dame aren't that similar. Dame's strength has always been his shooting and that's a Scoot weakness. Scoot plays defense, though. From what I can tell Scoot is much more like a young Russell Westbrook.

Plus Dame is a fantastic facilitator. Those highlights didn't show many passes , but Scoot can finish with dunks. He has explosiveness for sure.

 

[TBpup]

Could be, but i don't get too excited on how a guy plays defense against G Leaguers.

G-League may not be great, but it's probably similar or better to most college schools other than maybe the elite.

At 19:
16.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.6 bpg, 43% FG, 27% from '3', 76% FT in 31 mpg
11.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.2 bpg, 43% FG, 37% from '3', 84% FT in 29 mpg

One is the better shooter at that age, one is better at almost everything else is very similar minutes. Who knows how Scoot will turn out, but if he has defensive tendencies, that would be a welcome addition here after CJ, Ant, Sharpe and Dame.

 

[tykendo]

Kinda depends on what player we'd take with that pick. There's a strong likelihood that the player taken with the #2 pick turns out worse in the long run than Siakam. But there's a much stronger likelihood that there's a player AVAILABLE at the #2 pick who will be better.

Siakam has plenty of mileage left. Not sure if any of the forwards in the Draft are really ready now. And Siakam is a badass.

 

[Hoopguru]

Not a Bobby Bouche fan. He's not a center. But i like acquiring Siakam. Some in here seem to forget just how good he is, and how good he was in their Championship run. I trade ol' Scootdaddle for Siakam in a heartbeat.

Bouche would be a decent vet off the bench as he blocks shots, rebounds & can shoot. Decent defender

 

[Natebishop3]

Siakam has plenty of mileage left. Not sure if any of the forwards in the Draft are really ready now. And Siakam is a badass.

It feels like when the Grizzlies traded Shareef Abdur Rahim for the draft rights for Pau Gasol.

It could really bite us in the ass if we trade a top 5 pick for him. But I'm not sure how deep this draft is yet.