OT Texas

[crandc]

These days a lot of people reproduce without heterosexual intercourse.
And I am still waiting to hear who or what "meant" us to be straight and if any straight person is going to seek my permission to marry.
Just barely polite homophobia.

 

[calvin natt]

I literally cannot think of a single reason why anyone would ever, ever be against marriage of two gay people. Like it makes absolutely zero sense, there is no downside to it. It’s hatred and homophobic and one of the most pathetic opinions a person can have. It’s disgusting.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Technically, no. It requires sperm and egg, penis and vagina are not necessary.

In the year 6565
You won't need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube

barfo

only through modification and manipulation of the original product.

but i knew someone would being up artificial insemination as a dispute that a penis might not be for a man and vagina for man…

 

[julius]

These days a lot of people reproduce without heterosexual intercourse.
And I am still waiting to hear who or what "meant" us to be straight and if any straight person is going to seek my permission to marry.
Just barely polite homophobia.

I've had friends who got married (at least 2 off the top of my head) that really shouldn't have gotten married to their current (or in one case, former) spouse. One left her husband for her current boyfriend, got knocked up by a new guy and they live together (but aren't getting married). The other left her previous husband after trying to salvage their marriage by getting pregnant, it failed and she's now with her current husband.

I have neighbors that are gay and married. I have two different 2nd cousins (actually, they are sisters) who are gay and married (not to each other of course).

I have another 2nd cousin is who is lesbian, and is in a relationship (at least, the last I heard, she doesn't live in the US and we don't communicate much).

Never once did anyone ask me my opinion of their marriages/relationships, nor did I once ever think my opinion of their marriages/relationships mattered enough to express it (further than what I'm doing right here). Not only that, it never donned on me that my feelings about their marriages mattered at all to have any kind of emotional response to it, because it doesn't involve me.

Never understood why anyone else cares what other people do. It has zero impact on your life.

 

[noknobs]

Put religion and God aside.

Is it not obvious it take a penis and a vagina to reproduce and men were meant for women?

I'm just also able to look at it as a reproductive thing and, to me, its obvious that man was meant for woman.

From a purely evolutionary and reproductive viewpoint (ignoring the "nurture" half of the nature vs. nurture argument), since that's what you're focusing on, you're failing to account for the reason that homosexuality and bisexuality exist at all. If there were zero evolutionary benefit it wouldn't occur, or at the very most be a very rare phenomenon. Instead homosexuality has been observed in over 1,500 species so far with bisexuality even more widespread across the species. From birds to insects to reptiles to mammals. If it's as simple as you imply above, why is this?

Scientists explore the evolution of animal homosexuality

In the past, homosexual behaviour was often ignored because it supposedly contradicted Darwin's theory of evolution. Scientists argued homosexuality was a sort of 'Darwinian paradox' because it involved sexual behaviour that was non-reproductive. Recent evidence however suggests homosexual behaviour could play important roles in reproduction and evolution.

A few more random articles on the subject to show how many theories are out there:
Genetic patterns offer clues to evolution of homosexuality
The evolutionary puzzle of homosexuality
Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals?

But the fact is, as humans, if we don't maintain man for woman, woman for man, we will eventually go extinct?

 

[ABM]

Occam's razor is your friend.

Simply put, I've often thought you needed a shave. No sense explaining it.

 

[ABM]

.....I don’t think anyone gets to agree or disagree. It is simply not an issue for anyone to chime in on.

I disagree. We live in America. We get to chime in on most everything. We have a right to have our own beliefs. We also get to vote for representatives. We also get to vote on issues.

 

[crandc]

I disagree. We live in America. We get to chime in on most everything. We have a right to have our own beliefs. We also get to vote for representatives. We also get to vote on issues.

Did you ask me to approve your marriage? Do I get to vote on whether straights should be allowed to marry?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I disagree. We live in America. We get to chime in on most everything. We have a right to have our own beliefs. We also get to vote for representatives. We also get to vote on issues.

Again, it being legal does not make it moral. Nor moral to support it.

It used to be legal to prevent certain types of people from eating at a restaurant. It used to be legal to own slaves and treat them however you wanted.

It was never moral. and the people who supported or voted to keep those laws were not moral. They were supporting acts of evil.

Evil, like forcing a woman to go through 9 months of pain, discomfort, and general torture against her will.

Or evil, like preventing a loving couple from enjoying the same rights as every other couple because of who they love.

These are evil and hurtful stances. The opposite of morality. Which provide no benefit to society.

 

[ABM]

Again, it being legal does not make it moral. Nor moral to support it.

I believe the Bible is incredibly moral. To my knowledge, it only speaks of marriage as being a covenant between a husband and a wife - male and female.

 

[crandc]

I believe the Bible is incredibly moral. To my knowledge, it only speaks of marriage as being a covenant between a husband and a wife - male and female.

You mean when all the inhabitants of defeated city were slaughtered except virgin girls who were taken as sex slaves? Or the defense of slavery? Or telling rape victims they must marry the rapist? And didn't Jesus speak against marriage? And what has that to do with 1) Texas bounty hunter law or 2) a country that explicitly bans state religion? Is this two straight men trying to make the discussion about them because women, who cares?

 

[julius]

You mean when all the inhabitants of defeated city were slaughtered except virgin girls who were taken as sex slaves? Or the defense of slavery? Or telling rape victims they must marry the rapist? And didn't Jesus speak against marriage? And what has that to do with 1) Texas bounty hunter law or 2) a country that explicitly bans state religion? Is this two straight men trying to make the discussion about them because women, who cares?

tsss tsss....we ignore those sections because reasons.

 

[ABM]

You mean when all the inhabitants of defeated city were slaughtered except virgin girls who were taken as sex slaves? Or the defense of slavery? Or telling rape victims they must marry the rapist? And didn't Jesus speak against marriage? And what has that to do with 1) Texas bounty hunter law or 2) a country that explicitly bans state religion? Is this two straight men trying to make the discussion about them because women, who cares?

Look, I'm not going to foist my beliefs on you, not anyone else. I still have every right to believe what I believe, despite the spin cycle you seem to be engaged in.

 

[julius]

Look, I'm not going to foist my beliefs on you, not anyone else. I still have every right to believe what I believe, despite the spin cycle you seem to be engaged in.

You do understand that voting for politicians that agree with your limited interpretation of the bible because you hope they make laws that supporting your views IS "foisting" your beliefs on people, right?

 

[ABM]

You do understand that voting for politicians that agree with your limited interpretation of the bible because you hope they make laws that supporting your views IS "foisting" your beliefs on people, right?

What a senseless response.

 

[julius]

What a senseless response.

I didn't expect that you would understand it.

 

[ABM]

I didn't expect that you would understand it.

We'll, at least you subscribe to the ol' college try. Carry on.

 

[julius]

We'll, at least you subscribe to the ol' college try. Carry on.

yes, we all.

 

[ABM]

yes, we all.

?

Gee, what a novel new concept: Majority Group Foist

 

[julius]

?

Again, not surprised.

 

[ABM]

You do understand that voting for politicians that agree with your limited interpretation of the bible because you hope they make laws that supporting your views IS "foisting" your beliefs on people, right?

Well, I guess America just foisted Biden into the presidency, then.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I believe the Bible is incredibly moral. To my knowledge, it only speaks of marriage as being a covenant between a husband and a wife - male and female.

It doesn’t. Nowhere in the Bible does it say marriage is between man and woman. Also you will not see anywhere in the Bible Jesus condemning homosexuality. Nothing immoral about two people loving each other.

 

[julius]

Well, I guess America just foisted Biden into the presidency, then.

you aren't making the point you think you are.

 

[julius]

?

Gee, what a novel new concept: Majority Group Foist

Seriously, read what I had quoted you saying. Maybe you need some glasses, because you're missing out on some basic reading comprehension skills here.

 

[ABM]

It doesn’t. Nowhere in the Bible does it say marriage is between man and woman.....

21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the LORD God took out one of the man’s ribs and closed up the opening.

22Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man.

23“At last!” the man exclaimed. “This one is bone from my bone, and flesh from my flesh! She will be called ‘woman,’ because she was taken from ‘man.’”

24This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.
~Genesis 2:21-24

 

[ABM]

Seriously, read what I had quoted you saying. Maybe you need some glasses, because you're missing out on some basic reading comprehension skills here.

Foisting is coercion, manipulation, trickery, and the like. Campaigning for, and voting one(s) into office is not.

 

[calvin natt]

I believe the Bible is incredibly moral. To my knowledge, it only speaks of marriage as being a covenant between a husband and a wife - male and female.

Do we need to play the “also in the Bible is xyz” game with all the other ridiculous claims that make no sense now?

 

[ABM]

Do we need to play the “also in the Bible is xyz” game with all the other ridiculous claims that make no sense now?

No. You don't.

 

[calvin natt]

No. You don't.

So you just pick and choose what you like

 

[julius]

Foisting is coercion, manipulation, trickery, and the like. Campaigning for, and voting one(s) into office is not.

For the love of god.

You typed "we'll" instead of "well".

You're not really doing yourself any favors here.