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[Phatguysrule]

Lol. Theres that tribal mentality rearing its ugly head because someone doesn't believe what someone else believes. The typical response is to try to belittle and demean and make fun of.
The levels of arrogance of ones opinion being right or factual is beyond gross….


Arrogance is sooo unflattering. Especially when its based on opinions and not facts.
So not worthy of any type of respect or further engagement in any type of rational discussion.

but go one with your know it all selves. Lol.

Must be nice to be so narrow minded to think ones opinion of life is the only opinion of life that should matter. And anyone else with a differing thought should be made fun of.
I mean this is hilarious.


The gall, the hypocrisy. The open and blatant double standard!! lol

i demand equal rights. But fuck any potential father and their desire to be a father.

But yet dead beat dads are bad right? a woman can say i dont want a kid and kill it and the father has no say And its okay. But if a father doesnt want a child he is forced to pay child support if the woman wants the child?

women want to block men from having any say at all? Then don't play any damn deadbeat cards for fathers who dont want to be a dad.!!!!

The fucking double standard here is so obviously gross i really think some people might not be all there.
Cant have it both ways. Women cant complain about deadbeat dads, but do all the time. Where are the people saying that was his choice. He didn't want a child but it was forced on him to pay support for 18years?

oh its because he needs to take responsibility for putting his dick in her? She has no responsibility owed for spreading her legs to invite said dick????


Out of your fing minds with this distorted stance.


i just spoke with my mother and my wife on this topic and they both agreed men should have some say in whether they can be a father or not. If not then women will be the only ones controlling who comes into this world.
So not all women agree on this topic. So for a man to belittle another man for a differing view just shows how shallow some people are…

but go on with your know it all selves. I know its soo much fun to sit on a forum and try to belittle others with differing opinions. Must boost that ego up quite a bit!



Must be that moral superiority complex rearing its head again….



I mean just wow….

You're actively supporting servitude of women to men. And you're offended that people are calling you out on it.

You don't get to be a father if you can't find a woman who wants to make you one. That's the way it should be.

If you don't understand this then you should certainly not be a father.

If she wants an abortion and you stop her from getting one you are forcing her to have a baby.

Supporting a man forcing a woman to carry a child for him is the kind of shit people post about before shooting up a bunch of massage parlors. It's insane.

That you have convinced a woman to give you control over her body is irrelevant. That's her choice. But it should not be enforced by law.

And let's be honest, your mother didn't make the best decisions regarding family planning and child rearing. That's not a diss... Mine didn't either. But that's why I don't ask her opinions in the matter.

This has been the law here in the US for decades and for good reason. I've posted data showing the impacts of abortion restrictions on crime rates, the increased incidence of mental health problems, and economic distress. The fact that abortion restrictions do not reduce the number of abortions. Rather it just increases the danger in seeking black market abortions which in turn increase the number of injuries, costing the economy even more.

This is not based on opinion. It is based on facts. As I've already posted links to that data.

https://law.stanford.edu/publicatio...-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/


https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ss-contributes-poor-maternal-health-outcomes/

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...p-when-procedure-outlawed-it-does-ncna1235174

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-abortion-hardship-idUSKBN1F731Z

Though, as with many of our disagreements you choose to ignore the data and facts in favor of opinions that fit your narrative.

Unfortunately you're not alone. This is the number one problem in the United States today, and the greatest threat to freedom in this country.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You're actively supporting servitude of women to men. And you're offended that people are calling you out on it.

You don't get to be a father if you can't find a woman who wants to make you one. That's the way it should be.

If you don't understand this then you should certainly not be a father.

If she wants an abortion and you stop her from getting one you are forcing her to have a baby.

Supporting a man forcing a woman to carry a child for him is the kind of shit people post about before shooting up a bunch of massage parlors. It's insane.

That you have convinced a woman to give you control over her body is irrelevant. That's her choice. But it should not be enforced by law.

And let's be honest, your mother didn't make the best decisions regarding family planning and child rearing. That's not a diss... Mine didn't either. But that's why I don't ask her opinions in the matter.

This has been the law here in the US for decades and for good reason. I've posted data showing the impacts of abortion restrictions on crime rates, the increased incidence of mental health problems, and economic distress. The fact that abortion restrictions do not reduce the number of abortions. Rather it just increases the danger in seeking black market abortions which in turn increase the number of injuries, costing the economy even more.

This is not based on opinion. It is based on facts. As I've already posted links to that data.

https://law.stanford.edu/publicatio...-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/


https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ss-contributes-poor-maternal-health-outcomes/

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...p-when-procedure-outlawed-it-does-ncna1235174

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-abortion-hardship-idUSKBN1F731Z

Though, as with many of our disagreements you choose to ignore the data and facts in favor of opinions that fit your narrative.

Unfortunately you're not alone. This is the number one problem in the United States today, and the greatest threat to freedom in this country.

blah blah blah. Go back and read my posts. I said id never vote against abortion.
But i hold my opinion that abortion is a cop out and a way to avoid responsibility. Period. Anyone saying it isn't is not all there.

There may be valid reasons. Not all abortions are for valid reasons.

Stop supporting the acceptance of dumbing our society down.

Thats just a recipe for chaos.


its okay vote one way but believe in another.

I can vote to keep abortion legal because i believe the government should not be involved. I can also be against abortion because its a lack of ownership of ones actions.

You are your all or nothing bs, has to be this way period and ONLY this way period, is just bs.


So while you think my opinion is despicable, i could care less. I know in my heart abortion is taking the easy road and i wont personally support it.

you and a few of the jokester clowns thinking their belittling is funny, will have to deal with it, just as ill just have to deal with your disappointment of my such despicable statements….

Tired of arguing because it costs less and is healthier to the few women who dont want babies, that abortion is good.

It is not good.

It may be a necessary evil and why i wont vote for it, but you will never get an applause from me for getting an abortion from a pregnancy resulted from a consented relationship.

In my opinion, Abortion is wrong.

moving on now…

 

[Phatguysrule]

blah blah blah. Go back and read my posts. I said id never vote against abortion.
But i hold my opinion that abortion is a cop out and a way to avoid responsibility. Period. Anyone saying it isn't is not all there.

There may be valid reasons. Not all abortions are for valid reasons.

Stop supporting the acceptance of dumbing our society down.

Thats just a recipe for chaos.


its okay vote one way but believe in another.

I can vote to keep abortion legal because i believe the government should not be involved. I can also be against abortion because its a lack of ownership of ones actions.

You are your all or nothing bs, has to be this way period and ONLY this way period, is just bs.


So while you think my opinion is despicable, i could care less. I know in my heart abortion is taking the easy road and i wont personally support it.

you and a few of the jokester clowns thinking their belittling is funny, will have to deal with it, just as ill just have to deal with your disappointment of my such despicable statements….

Tired of arguing because it costs less and is healthier to the few women who dont want babies, that abortion is good.

It is not good.

It may be a necessary evil and why i wont vote for it, but you will never get an applause from me for getting an abortion from a pregnancy resulted from a consented relationship.

In my opinion, Abortion is wrong.

moving on now…

I didn't say abortion was good. I said government should not be involved. It should be a choice. A man should not have any control.

Of course he can plead his case, and if she and he are not on the same page she should be allowed (by law) to make her choice.

You are free to your opinion. I've stated that. You started claiming that men should get a say. there is no way to do that without forcing pregnancy on women.

Your personal beliefs are beside the point. I'm not sure how they ever got involved in a conversation about government policy.

If you don't want to discuss the topic at hand you should probably not wade into it.

 

[julius]

I think people confuse "pro choice" with "pro abortion".

Not only that, I would venture that the # of men who are upset/disagreed with their girlfriends/wife/whatever about having an abortion (in the above scenarios laid out) is very very VERY small.

It's creating a false narrative, to try to validate things. And just so someone doesn't have a cow that I'm picking on one side, A: notice I didn't quote anyone and B: false narratives happen on both sides of all arguments.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Tired of arguing because it costs less and is healthier to the few women who dont want babies

Abortion rights are all about the few women who don't want babies. And the incredibly negative impacts on them, and society as a whole if those rights are removed.

Nobody is advocating for more abortion. Simply the right for a woman to make that decision on her own.

In fact, abortion rates have been dropping for decades as access to abortions has increased (via access to reproductive Healthcare). Because the healthcare community understands that birth control is preferable to abortions. So they keep women healthy and in control of their fertility.

You're arguing against a made up enemy.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think people confuse "pro choice" with "pro abortion".

Not only that, I would venture that the # of men who are upset/disagreed with their girlfriends/wife/whatever about having an abortion (in the above scenarios laid out) is very very VERY small.

It's creating a false narrative, to try to validate things. And just so someone doesn't have a cow that I'm picking on one side, A: notice I didn't quote anyone and B: false narratives happen on both sides of all arguments.

Agreed.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Stop supporting the acceptance of dumbing our society down.

Thats just a recipe for chaos.

This is interesting.

How is advocating for more education of data as well as the scientific method and debate a support of dumbing our society down?

 

[Orion Bailey]

This is interesting.

How is advocating for more education of data as well as the scientific method and debate a support of dumbing our society down?

just because the numbers say the easy way out is cleaner, doesn't make it right or moral.

 

[Phatguysrule]

just because the numbers say the easy way out is cleaner, doesn't make it right or moral.

I didn't claim it did. The numbers are a seperate part of the discussion from the morality of government forcing women to continue with unwanted pregnancies.

But how does that relate to your claim of dumbing down society?

 

[Orion Bailey]

If you don't want to discuss the topic at hand you should probably not wade into it.

i entered the conversation very politely, but the reason behind entering was because i got tired of reading several people demean and belittle another person for thier “immoral” stance that abortion is bad.
I mean how backwards is that to try to ridicule a person for thinking killing fetus’s is not a good thing?

does it matter how he came to this stance? Religion? Internal moral compass? An alien told him so?

the level of backwards morally just, chest pounding drew me in.

abortion is a large topic and i didn't see any rules set that no comments regarding personal positions should not be included in statements made. Please hand me your rule book so i can nit break your conversational rules.

I stated in one of my first posts government shouldn't get involved but men should have a say in the relationship and if wn want equal rights they should consider respecting their partners wishes as well. (Summerized)

then Proceeded to get lobbed at by the same people lobbing crap at ABM.

Because i didn't 100% agree with you, you and a few others dismissed my statement regarding my thoughts on government involvement, which was part of the conversation, but only focused on my addition to the conversation that included my personal feelings on abortion….

Only AFTER a bunch of belittling, have you come around to saying no one is saying abortion is good.


So basically you pretty much agreed with my original statement that abortion is bad, but government shouldn't be involved.
So what the hell is all this despicable shit about man? Go back and reread my first post. If it wasnt that one, it was the second, where i clearly said i don't think its the governments place to get involved and id never vote against it abortion


Maybe at least give some recognition to that before you just ridicule me for my personal position that i said i would vote against….instead of trying to instantly assert your moral superiority.

 

[julius]

I didn't claim it did. The numbers are a seperate part of the discussion from the morality of government forcing women to continue with unwanted pregnancies.

But how does that relate to your claim of dumbing down society?

It was an interesting switcheroo.

 

[barfo]

i entered the conversation very politely, but the reason behind entering was because i got tired of reading several people demean and belittle another person for thier “immoral” stance that abortion is bad.
I mean how backwards is that to try to ridicule a person for thinking killing fetus’s is not a good thing?

does it matter how he came to this stance? Religion? Internal moral compass? An alien told him so?

the level of backwards morally just, chest pounding drew me in.

abortion is a large topic and i didn't see any rules set that no comments regarding personal positions should not be included in statements made. Please hand me your rule book so i can nit break your conversational rules.

I stated in one of my first posts government shouldn't get involved but men should have a say in the relationship and if wn want equal rights they should consider respecting their partners wishes as well. (Summerized)

then Proceeded to get lobbed at by the same people lobbing crap at ABM.

Because i didn't 100% agree with you, you and a few others dismissed my statement regarding my thoughts on government involvement, which was part of the conversation, but only focused on my addition to the conversation that included my personal feelings on abortion….

Only AFTER a bunch of belittling, have you come around to saying no one is saying abortion is good.


So basically you pretty much agreed with my original statement that abortion is bad, but government shouldn't be involved.
So what the hell is all this despicable shit about man? Go back and reread my first post. If it wasnt that one, it was the second, where i clearly said i don't think its the governments place to get involved and id never vote against it abortion


Maybe at least give some recognition to that before you just ridicule me for my personal position that i said i would vote against….instead of trying to instantly assert your moral superiority.

If government isn't involved, who is going to prevent women from aborting pregnancies that only the father wants?

barfo

 

[julius]

So, if a woman is pregnant, and wants to keep the baby, but the father of the child doesn't, who gets to decide about keeping the baby?

 

[Orion Bailey]

If government isn't involved, who is going to prevent women from aborting pregnancies that only the father wants?

barfo

i already answered that question of how i believe it should go optimally. I also said i wouldn't enforce what i think it should be, legally.
You must have missed it in your haste to play a game of “gotcha”…

 

[Lanny]

Actually, it does

https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins/


What do the experts say?
"The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that human life begins at conception - fertilization…. Scientific and medical discoveries over the past three decades have only verified and solidified this age-old truth. At the completion of the process of fertilization, the human creature emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is not one of personhood but of development. The Mission of the American College of Pediatricians is to enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being from the moment of conception."
When Human Life Begins, American College of Pediatricians, March 2004

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

No, it doesn't.
You are backing up your statement with JustTheFacts which no one has heard of. Sorry Charley, you're going to have to give me a reputable source such as the AMA.
You've led people astray before with sources that are not known as credible.

 

[Lanny]

Scientists and doctors disagree

Perhaps some do but what about reputable organizations, like the AMA?

 

[barfo]

i already answered that question of how i believe it should go optimally. I also said i wouldn't enforce what i think it should be, legally.
You must have missed it in your haste to play a game of “gotcha”…

Ok, if there's no enforcement, then the woman decides if you are to be a father or not. What did you mean by 'rights' when you talked about the man having equal rights?

barfo

 

[Lanny]

We are up waaayyy too early.


so basically, some living things matter and some dont?

Techinically the mother IS an incubator. No one is saying ONLY an incubator. But the reality is a chicken has its own life, growing and developing inside an uncracked shell. But its still living and growing, but needs the right environment. Just because the egg and shell are outside of the mother chickens body instead of inside, does not matter to the developing life in the egg, other than relying on the environment to keep it nourished and warm.

so if women laid eggs, Would you think it okay for the woman to crush said eggs in her nest?

I get up very early because of my medical needs and because of my dialysis schedule.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i entered the conversation very politely, but the reason behind entering was because i got tired of reading several people demean and belittle another person for thier “immoral” stance that abortion is bad.
I mean how backwards is that to try to ridicule a person for thinking killing fetus’s is not a good thing?

does it matter how he came to this stance? Religion? Internal moral compass? An alien told him so?

the level of backwards morally just, chest pounding drew me in.

abortion is a large topic and i didn't see any rules set that no comments regarding personal positions should not be included in statements made. Please hand me your rule book so i can nit break your conversational rules.

I stated in one of my first posts government shouldn't get involved but men should have a say in the relationship and if wn want equal rights they should consider respecting their partners wishes as well. (Summerized)

then Proceeded to get lobbed at by the same people lobbing crap at ABM.

Because i didn't 100% agree with you, you and a few others dismissed my statement regarding my thoughts on government involvement, which was part of the conversation, but only focused on my addition to the conversation that included my personal feelings on abortion….

Only AFTER a bunch of belittling, have you come around to saying no one is saying abortion is good.


So basically you pretty much agreed with my original statement that abortion is bad, but government shouldn't be involved.
So what the hell is all this despicable shit about man? Go back and reread my first post. If it wasnt that one, it was the second, where i clearly said i don't think its the governments place to get involved and id never vote against it abortion


Maybe at least give some recognition to that before you just ridicule me for my personal position that i said i would vote against….instead of trying to instantly assert your moral superiority.

Their immoral stance is that government should be involved, or supporting a politician with that as a part of their policy.

That's immoral.

 

[Lanny]

We are up waaayyy too early.


so basically, some living things matter and some dont?

Techinically the mother IS an incubator. No one is saying ONLY an incubator. But the reality is a chicken has its own life, growing and developing inside an uncracked shell. But its still living and growing, but needs the right environment. Just because the egg and shell are outside of the mother chickens body instead of inside, does not matter to the developing life in the egg, other than relying on the environment to keep it nourished and warm.

so if women laid eggs, Would you think it okay for the woman to crush said eggs in her nest?

To answer your question, it would depend on how well developed the fetus was inside the woman's egg. I believe the current criteria is the fetus being viable if it were forcibly removed such as in a Cesarean delivery (C-section) or by other means. i.e. Would the child live if born at moment. The U.S. Supreme Court has decided that the moment is at the beginning of the third trimester. Now they want to placate the Trump cult.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ok, if there's no enforcement, then the woman decides if you are to be a father or not. What did you mean by 'rights' when you talked about the man having equal rights?

barfo

If women truly want EQUAL rights, then they should also see the whole picture and how it affects ALL involved, regardless of magnitude and, so that, together they can come to an agreeable solution. Two mature adults thinking about the long term ramifications of each decision for all three parties involved.

This should be what the main push is for.
Not for fuck men its the woman's call.

That would be trying to ensure everyone involved has equal input and the solution is resolved as optimally as possible for all.


No. Not all will be agreed upon and impasses will take place, of which the woman gets final say. Like i said. Im not legally or physically ever forcing anything on a woman.
Im pushing back on the “the father has no say” narrative

he absolutely does and for equal rights to happen the woman has to take his stance into consideration and not consider it irrelevAnt and wrong the the man to even voice his opinion or position on it.


There is no perfect answer.

But some of the comments made are damn near reverse prejudice against man in the midst of claiming to fight for equal rights.
I mean, a person on here, who up until she labeled me a heartless woman hater(summarized), i gave nothing but respect and generosity to, even though i knew our political viewpoints were vastly different. But when she realized i don't agree with her on a fronts, i was told to go fuck myself.

Just another example of hypocritical behavior regarding how we should treat one another…

I worship my wife, lover her. My mother. My sister. My nieces. Ive never cheated in any relationship. I love life and all life and beleive women abould be treated with utmost respsect, wordhipped my man of sorrs.

But no. Im told i think of women as nothing more than a uterus by someone so fucking judgmental she cant see that the very thing she says she hates, she has become.

and all the rest of you coming at me co
Plety dismiss that dou le standard and excuse it az okay( thats what i speak of by dumbing ourselves down @Phatguysrule We are accepting this bs of pointing fingers, but allowing those who point fingers to do the same things themselves… as long as their political stance aligns with mine. Its shifting blame and ownership of ones actions onto a other without any self awareness. We are dumbing ourselves down by lack of recognition of our own double standards)



but hey. Anyone who thinks abortion is immoral but still wont take the right away from the woman can just go fuck themselves.
They are despicable, immoral people…


Wtfe.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i entered the conversation very politely, but the reason behind entering was because i got tired of reading several people demean and belittle another person for thier “immoral” stance that abortion is bad.
I mean how backwards is that to try to ridicule a person for thinking killing fetus’s is not a good thing?

does it matter how he came to this stance? Religion? Internal moral compass? An alien told him so?

the level of backwards morally just, chest pounding drew me in.

abortion is a large topic and i didn't see any rules set that no comments regarding personal positions should not be included in statements made. Please hand me your rule book so i can nit break your conversational rules.

I stated in one of my first posts government shouldn't get involved but men should have a say in the relationship and if wn want equal rights they should consider respecting their partners wishes as well. (Summerized)

then Proceeded to get lobbed at by the same people lobbing crap at ABM.

Because i didn't 100% agree with you, you and a few others dismissed my statement regarding my thoughts on government involvement, which was part of the conversation, but only focused on my addition to the conversation that included my personal feelings on abortion….

Only AFTER a bunch of belittling, have you come around to saying no one is saying abortion is good.


So basically you pretty much agreed with my original statement that abortion is bad, but government shouldn't be involved.
So what the hell is all this despicable shit about man? Go back and reread my first post. If it wasnt that one, it was the second, where i clearly said i don't think its the governments place to get involved and id never vote against it abortion


Maybe at least give some recognition to that before you just ridicule me for my personal position that i said i would vote against….instead of trying to instantly assert your moral superiority.

I don't track your personal position. Expecting me to do so is a bit unreasonable. If you post in supper of a position of banning abortions don't be surprised when people think you support that stance.

Nobody belittled anybody for their personal opinion on abortion. Only on the implication that a woman should be forced or coerced into continuing a pregnancy she doesn't want.

I can't help if the facts of that argument make you feel belittled.

If the facts don't pertain to your position then don't take offense to them.

But if your position does make you feel belittled perhaps you should reconsider supporting that position.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't track your personal position. Expecting me to do so is a bit unreasonable. If you post in supper of a position of banning abortions don't be surprised when people think you support that stance.

Nobody belittled anybody for their personal opinion on abortion. Only on the implication that a woman should be forced or coerced into continuing a pregnancy she doesn't want.

I can't help if the facts of that argument make you feel belittled.

If the facts don't pertain to your position then don't take offense to them.

But if your position does make you feel belittled perhaps you should reconsider supporting that position.

i cant believe you said this. Just wow. This stance is despicable. One can read above and clearly see my stance was belittled. Not by facts but by others peoples personal viewpoint to try to , call me out.
Its ot bow you say it. Its how its received. Just because some people here think that passive aggressive behavior is okay and funny, doesnt make it so. Its insulting and belittling.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Sometimes I think we have vampires on this board.

I am certain there are. I have been privately investigating it for years and have confirmed at least 2-3.

 

[Lanny]

I am certain there are. I have been privately investigating it for years and have confirmed at least 2-3.

I've used the Svengali approach on you and I've used the Houdini approach on you and nothing works, you still out me. A curse, I now lay a curse on you.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i cant believe you said this. Just wow. This stance is despicable. One can read above and clearly see my stance was belittled. Not by facts but by others peoples personal viewpoint to try to , call me out.
Its ot bow you say it. Its how its received. Just because some people here think that passive aggressive behavior is okay and funny, doesnt make it so. Its insulting and belittling.

I do get forceful when people support limiting people's rights, especially when only supported by bigoted points of view.

You may find that unbelievable but I'll support it forever.

 

[theprunetang]

I am certain there are. I have been privately investigating it for years and have confirmed at least 2-3.

*raises hand

 

[Orion Bailey]

I do get forceful when people support limiting people's rights, especially when only supported by bigoted points of view.

You may find that unbelievable but I'll support it forever.

you are targeting the wrong type of person. I made it clear I'm my first couple of posts i wont vote my personal view to make abortion illegal even though i think abortion is a copout at times.

and btw you wont get the right target to budge at all using your vinegar. Try sugar. It tends to work better.

Im gonna go fuck myself now though for being such a despicable person…

 

[noknobs]

The levels of arrogance of ones opinion being right or factual is beyond gross….

Arrogance is sooo unflattering. Especially when its based on opinions and not facts.
So not worthy of any type of respect

but go one with your know it all selves. Lol.

Must be nice to be so narrow minded

I mean this is hilarious.

The gall, the hypocrisy. The open and blatant double standard!! lol

Out of your fing minds with this distorted stance.

but go on with your know it all selves.

Must boost that ego up quite a bit!

Must be that moral superiority complex rearing its head again….

I mean just wow….

blah blah blah.

That's from just two posts, and you wonder why people argue with you. Maybe if you were capable of not belittling people so much and being so snarky people wouldn't come back at you like they do. I mean what do you expect? Then you get all fake-offended like you can't understand why everyone is arguing with you. Rinse, repeat.