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AmirIcon said:
I don't understand how people are trying to spin this after what Indiana just got for Levert. Kings wanted to give us Bagley for Roco straight up and he would be a better prospect than anyone we got back in this trade.
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Fact? Link?

btw they would’ve had to pay him as well.
 
Mr. Robot said:
im not salary cap expert, but, had they re-signed nurk & ant, they wouldve been in a luxury tax (they already were)

im not even sure they can re-sign nurk & ant on 20 per contracts, even if they trade cj mccollum
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They can resign them even to max contracts if they want. They will just pay more tax.
 
GDiama said:
They can resign them even to max contracts if they want. They will just pay more tax.
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i know they can, but they dont want to pay the tax and they shouldnt, this team is nowhere near contending for a chip
 
Mr. Robot said:
i know they can, but they dont want to pay the tax and they shouldnt, this team is nowhere near contending for a chip
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For next season it is almost unavoidable. I suppose they did everything they could to go below lux tax this year to avoid the repeater tax.
 
Also add Kevin Pelton to the list of guys that actually worked in the league that didn’t have a problem with the move. Gave the Blazers a B- and said if Johnson develops theyll come out ahead in the deal.

https://es.pn/3gqXh0m
 
Scalma said:
Gave up:
4 seasons of Powell
opportunity/advantage to re-sign Roco

Acquired:
Full MLE
Space to re-sign Ant and Nurk
A first rounder that was just drafted that at one point was a projected lottery pick
A solid role player in Winslow
Bledsoe’s contract to use in a trade/free up money
Second round pick

If that’s an F so be it.
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One problem I think there is between the few that like the trade and the rest of us is that for some fucking reason you guys care if the team makes 50M this season in profit or 150M in profit. The fact is NBA teams don't even have to worry about the bottom line because their valuation goes up so quickly that they're making far more money in asset appreciation than anyone needs to make off of a business to want to keep it. If they're breaking even they should just be cool with it... I get not wanting to go in the red despite the hundreds of millions of dollars the organization increases in value every year but after that they can kick rocks. I want to hear about what's going to get us wins not ducking tax and saving ownership money.

All of this shit about being able to sign Ant and Nurk, freeing up more money and even having enough to get an impact free agent when we all know that the front office that's still in place has never signed an impact free agent even when they had the room to. It's all bullshit. This move is a move you would see from the Money Ball A's but this isn't baseball and you can't win without real elite guys in this league. Only five guys are on the court at a time and the best model for winning is to have an eight or nine man rotation.

So all of this talk about the fiscal advantages sounds like people are buying into billionaires needing more billions and us as fans should be routing for them to get that money. I couldn't give a shit. Winslow does not play on teams that are winning, hell he was only getting 13 minutes on this year's injury riddled Clippers team. Johnson was a reach at 21... yeah he came out of high school with a big time rep but his play in college was not good enough to justify where he went and he's been proving that. A second round pick four drafts from now?!? We could buy that shit for chump change to these billionaires on draft night.

There's a personal problem I have with one of your points and that is that Nurk is a dinosaur and Ant is just as redundant with Dame as CJ has been for the last six seasons... you can tell because Ant's numbers have plummeted since having to play with a ball dominant guard like CJ. So I want those guys traded not re-signed and likely overpaid.

Also your speaking out of both sides of your mouth when you say "opportunity/advantage to re-sign RoCo" sarcastically and then brag about how the trade freed up cap space. RoCo gave us a choice we could free up cap space if there was something out there for us better than RoCo or re-sign him if he was the best we could get, that's why there were reports that 7 teams had him highly valued. Now we have Bledsoe's useless ass and keeping him on his terrible contract would never be an option. We got less flexibility because we now have less choices and only increased the cap space by a measly 6M.

We needed to duck the tax and we needed to trade these guys but the idea from just about every logical thinking person was that we could duck the tax and either get pieces back that we knew could help us win or draft assets and the kind of shitty guys we got. Nope purely a money move with no regard for how competitive the team will be now or in the future.
 
Yep, this Cronin deal is looking more and more like it will be filed under "What the fuck were they thinking?" Oh but Portland got a guy with a great vertical leap. SM-MF'n-H
 
Strenuus said:
Just..... Unfuncking real. Powell and RoCo combined got us less than this.

Please, defend the trade now with this out there. THIS is a good trade.

They got a damn FRP. For one player. We gave away the two best players in the trade and got a 2nd damn round pick 3 years from now.
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Oh man. I can't wait until.you read the posts from.the last couple.hours.
 
Scalma said:
Gave up:
4 seasons of Powell
opportunity/advantage to re-sign Roco

Acquired:
Full MLE
Space to re-sign Ant and Nurk
A first rounder that was just drafted that at one point was a projected lottery pick
A solid role player in Winslow
Bledsoe’s contract to use in a trade/free up money
Second round pick

If that’s an F so be it.
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I’m just gonna call you lolscalma from now on.
 
Strenuus said:
Just..... Unfuncking real. Powell and RoCo combined got us less than this.

Please, defend the trade now with this out there. THIS is a good trade.

They got a damn FRP. For one player. We gave away the two best players in the trade and got a 2nd damn round pick 3 years from now.
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Keon Johnson is pretty much our FRP.
 
CJ for Kyrie
Then Dame for Simmons, Thybulle, 1st

Kyrie/MLE
Ant/Keon
Little/Thybulle
Simmons/Nance
Nurk/Lotto pick(Chet?)

I think Chauncey would like that^ team much better.

And no I don’t wanna trade Dame or get Kyrie, just throwing out ideas.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Norm and RoCo so far tonight:

Combined

36 points off 11-19 shooting, 6-11 from three, and 8-9 from the line with 5 boards, 3 assists, and 1 steal.

Total scrubs.
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Nice offense game but they still lost by 24 and the last Bucks run was with Covington and Powell in the game.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Norm and RoCo so far tonight:

Combined

36 points off 11-19 shooting, 6-11 from three, and 8-9 from the line with 5 boards, 3 assists, and 1 steal.

Total scrubs.
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And their team was no more competitive against the Bucks than what the Blazers threw out there last night. Empty stats.
 
Really? We are going to act like the loss to the Bucks is Norm and Rocos fault? Norm only played 24 minutes but scored 28 points. He is a damn good 4th best player on a contender. And they got him for nothing. No brainer trade for them. Stop trying to act like he was worth nothing.
 
BlazerBeav said:
And their team was no more competitive against the Bucks than what the Blazers threw out there last night. Empty stats.
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Of course, in neither scenario were they acquired to be guys that carried their teams. Next year, presumably, Norm and maybe RoCo will be enhancing a roster with Kawhi and Paul George.

It would have been nice if our FO realized that we acquired those guys to enhance a roster built around Damian Lillard, but, with Dame's injury, the timetable slipped, so we should have traded them for assets that would have been geared to help the Blazers next year and the year after, if you even have to trade them at all.
 
That first trade is over and I’m going to assume there were some things factored in by management other than building a winning team but I’m going to look forward now. However, if we get less value for CJ than the Pacers just got I’ll lose my fucking mind.
 
I am going see how these 3 guys fit in into Billups system so something I can look forward to the rest of the year.
 
James lamphear said:
Nice offense game but they still lost by 24 and the last Bucks run was with Covington and Powell in the game.
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BlazerBeav said:
And their team was no more competitive against the Bucks than what the Blazers threw out there last night. Empty stats.
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SlyPokerCat said:
Really? We are going to act like the loss to the Bucks is Norm and Rocos fault? Norm only played 24 minutes but scored 28 points. He is a damn good 4th best player on a contender. And they got him for nothing. No brainer trade for them. Stop trying to act like he was worth nothing.
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The turnaround in the evaluation of Powell's value by many of the same people pissing on it now is dizzying. They went from "man, what a great trade Olshey made landing Powell" to "it will be a massive failure if Portland doesn't re-sign Powell" to "man, what a great contract they re-signed Powell for" to "that is the most tradeable contract Portland has" to "Powell would be a much better running mate for Dame at SG, trade CJ". Then suddenly, 2 days ago "Powell is a mediocre player on an albatross contract", and "Keon Johnson was a 1st round draft pick, the trade wasn't bad"
 
Natebishop3 said:
Norm and RoCo so far tonight:

Combined

36 points off 11-19 shooting, 6-11 from three, and 8-9 from the line with 5 boards, 3 assists, and 1 steal.

Total scrubs.
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In a loss. A blowout loss. Just like when they were in Portland. ZERO impact players.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
In a loss. A blowout loss. Just like when they were in Portland. ZERO impact players.
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What is your definition of a zero impact player?
Whatever it is, I doubt even in your definition it can be determined in one game.
 
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