"The Bible" Mini-Series

[crowTrobot]

But you think that photo and translation is propaganda? So you think some Christians made a fake tabernacle that mentioned "King David"?

no, i think the significance being made of the things you posted is propaganda. not important.

I think you presume too much. I think that most "Christians" won't even want to watch this. This has been tried before and most Christians didn't care for it.

this thread seems to be pretty enthusiastic in tone.

I look at this series as another attempt to "paint a picture" of what the "Bible" was intending to visualize. I doubt that the history channel, if asked, would attempt to claim this is historical.

if asked directly of course not, but that doesn't stop them from throwing the pretense of historical accuracy out there for anyone who will buy it.

I mean think about it... They have a series called "Ancient Aliens" that is quite popular. They are just showing things they believe people want to think about that happened, or was written years ago.

well yeah. it should be call the 'belief' channel. it's all about ratings.

I think too many left wing or right wing people are taking this way too serious.

i'm not taking it seriously at all. i just like talking about this stuff.

 

[magnifier661]

no, i think the significance being made of the things you posted is propaganda. not important.

Significance? You are the one that is trying to convince this forum that nothing in the Bible is historically accurate. I just gave you one example of "empirical evidence" that identifies a person in the Bible around the time he was supposed to be there.

this thread seems to be pretty enthusiastic in tone.

Oh please forgive me for being excited. I guess you need to jump all over other posters for being excited that Portland making a new bridge then?

if asked directly of course not, but that doesn't stop them from throwing the pretense of historical accuracy out there for anyone who will buy it.

Just like when they describe an event happening in WW2, using a few people that may or may not have been there? That is used because it would be fucking boring if not used. You again are taking this way too seriously.

well yeah. it should be call the 'belief' channel. it's all about ratings.

Sure and they should say the same when a scientist is describing what could have happened a billion years ago, speaking like it was a matter of fact.

i'm not taking it seriously at all. i just like talking about this stuff.

Well that's good that you finally explained it. It seemed you were being totally serious.

 

[crowTrobot]

No ordinary household, Mazar says, would have carved ivory, but a royal palace likely would. Photo credit: Courtesy the Shalem Center

i was actually quite interested in this discovery. if it's the one i'm thinking about the building turned out to be significantly older than the time of david, so although he may have occupited it and used it as a palace he couldn't have built it.

 

[magnifier661]

i was actually quite interested in this discovery. if it's the one i'm thinking about the building turned out to be significantly older than the time of david, so although he may have occupited it and used it as a palace he couldn't have built it.

Yeah it definitely could have been built long before David. The description mentioned that King David used existing structure to build his palace. That wouldn't negate that David was there.

 

[crowTrobot]

You are the one that is trying to convince this forum that nothing in the Bible is historically accurate.

yeah that must be what i'm doing. i really slipped up when i said the bible becomes more historically accurate after the time of david.

Oh please forgive me for being excited. I guess you need to jump all over other posters for being excited that Portland making a new bridge then?

i was just responding to your comment that christians likely won't want to watch. not everything i say is an attack. jeez.

 

[Eastoff]

 

[VanillaGorilla]

yeah that must be what i'm doing. i really slipped up when i said the bible becomes more historically accurate after the time of david.



i was just responding to your comment that christians likely won't want to watch. not everything i say is an attack. jeez.

It's like he completely forgets what he said that you were responding to, so he has to start all over again, and they always start with getting unnecessarily defensive.

 

[Haakzilla]

...meanwhile:

500-Million-Year-Old Sea Creature With Limbs Under Its Head Unearthed

Scientists have unearthed extraordinarily preserved fossils of a 520-million-year-old sea creature, one of the earliest animal fossils ever found, according to a new study.

The fossilized animal, an arthropod called a fuxhianhuiid, has primitive limbs under its head, as well as the earliest example of a nervous system that extended past the head. The primitive creature may have used the limbs to push food into its mouth as it crept across the seafloor. The limbs may shed light on the evolutionary history of arthropods, which include crustaceans and insects.

"Since biologists rely heavily on organization of head appendages to classify arthropod groups, such as insects and spiders, our study provides a crucial reference point for reconstructing the evolutionary history and relationships of the most diverse and abundant animals on Earth," said study co-author Javier Ortega-Hernández, an earth scientist at the University of Cambridge, in a statement. "This is as early as we can currently see into arthropod limb development."

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[magnifier661]

It's like he completely forgets what he said that you were responding to, so he has to start all over again, and they always start with getting unnecessarily defensive.

you nailed "it's like". the reality is "The person isn't getting it" therefor I try and rephrase it.

 

[MARIS61]

Exactly, it's reenactments of the bible. Why get input from people who don't believe the stories happened in the first place? I can't imagine to make the Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson went around asking people who don't like Tolkein what they think he should do.

Liking has nothing to do with it. I am an atheist and thoroughly enjoyed reading the bible. Not very well written but what book that old is? It'got all the elements of great fiction.

Both books are obvious works of fiction, modeled after actual events then greatly embellished on to make interesting so they will be read.

 

[magnifier661]

Liking has nothing to do with it. I am an atheist and thoroughly enjoyed reading the bible. Not very well written but what book that old is? It'got all the elements of great fiction.

Both books are obvious works of fiction, modeled after actual events then greatly embellished on to make interesting so they will be read.

Cool man! Which book was your favorite?

 

[MARIS61]

Cool man! Which book was your favorite?

Genesis and Psalms. Nature and lyricism.

 

[magnifier661]

Genesis and Psalms. Nature and lyricism.

I love psalms. Yeah it's like poetry! I'm not a big fan of genesis. My favorite all time book is Matthew. It painted a picture of the one human I love more than myself.

 

[donkiez]

i hope you mean cultural historical significance since it was written. as previously noted the attempt by the 'history' channel at portraying the bible as historically accurate is a pure ratings grab, and does not at all reflect the actual findings of archeology/anthropology.

Nope, I meant historical significance. The bible and christianity are a major part of our human history. The content is suspect but the book and religeon, and their impacts on our history and culture are very real and significant. The theology argement is a different subject alltogether IMO.

 

[crowTrobot]

Nope, I meant historical significance. The bible and christianity are a major part of our human history. The content is suspect but the book and religeon, and their impacts on our history and culture are very real and significant. The theology argement is a different subject alltogether IMO.

the bible stories HC will be showing have virtually nothing to do with the impact of christianity on historical events. you might as well say it would be interesting to see reenactments of stories in the koran because of 911.

 

[magnifier661]

the bible stories HC will be showing have virtually nothing to do with the impact of christianity on historical events. you might as well say it would be interesting to see reenactments of stories in the koran because of 911.

I disagree. Christianity itself is based mainly on the stories of the bible. If the book gives you a blueprint for salvation; then it absolutely relates.

And the Koran and 9-11 aren't tied in. Your analogy would be like the bible and the pilgrims landing at Plymouth relating.

 

[crowTrobot]

Christianity itself is based mainly on the stories of the bible.

it most certainly is not. it is based on the interpretive whims and ulterior motives of Catholicism and other sects.

 

[magnifier661]

it most certainly is not. it is based on the interpretive whims of Catholicism and other sects.

10000% disagree

 

[crowTrobot]

10000% disagree

think of it this way. if you knew nothing about christianity or structurally similar religious belief, and someone handed you the jewish OT all the books written about jesus in the first few centuries including all the many non-canonical writings, what do you honestly think you'd come up with?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

For the past few days I have followed this thread. I found that the amount of attention some self proclaimed athiest or agnostic would spend hre to tar down the beliefs of others astonding. Simple logic would have me belive that because I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, the very fact would not compel me to animated dispute. I just dont care if that is how you want to spend your thoughts or time.

You guys are above the average in all regards, and I give you all much credit wth few exceptions, and I guess I owe you an apology for thinking that your effort spent was unusual.

Last night on OPB I caught part of a program that the honored guest wants to have christian religious teachings classified as hate speech. At frst I thought that they must be some extreme group,like NAMBLA, but no..they made reference to how gays and peds were being unjustly treated etc et etc

I have sent a few hours reading today on the subject and have come to realize that this is not uncommon. The very foundation that once defined this country as a"Christan" nation is no longer fasionable, I understand that. Its not like its "Cool" to attack all religions, just this one.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/c...ing-in-canada-affirms-biblical-principle.html

I found the above piece interesting, first lauding Canadian courts,then I read the first post after the article, sobering..

 

[magnifier661]

think of it this way. if you knew nothing about christianity or structurally similar religious belief, and someone handed you the jewish OT all the books written about jesus in the first few centuries including all the many non-canonical writings, what do you honestly think you'd come up with?

That's the problem is you think only the book was the cause of Christianity. The Apostles were the origin after Christ resurrected. Before that; there was no Christian.

 

[crowTrobot]

That's the problem is you think only the book was the cause of Christianity. The Apostles were the origin after Christ resurrected. Before that; there was no Christian.

the bible didn't exist until the 3rd century, but that's not the point. wherever you look in history during the last 2000 years and note that christians or christianity had some sort of impact on events, the impact is invariably due to ulterior motives or sect-specific interpretations that have nothing to do with biblical stories themselves.

 

[crowTrobot]

Simple logic would have me belive that because I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, the very fact would not compel me to animated dispute.

one man's animated dispute is another's mental exercise

 

[donkiez]

the bible stories HC will be showing have virtually nothing to do with the impact of christianity on historical events. you might as well say it would be interesting to see reenactments of stories in the koran because of 911.

The Bible IS christianity and the belief in it and the stories you mention have impacted christianity, which have impacted how people view the world, which has impacted historical events. Example, the Crusades were a war to spread christianity to the heathens. Without the stories and messages in the Bible the Crusades would not have occured. Understanding the root beliefs of people will help you understand why they do/did things. Its a very simple correlation..... plus they are interesting stories and do accuratly portray life in a time period with little records, plus some magic.

 

[crowTrobot]

The Bible IS christianity and the belief in it and the stories you mention have impacted christianity, which have impacted how people view the world, which has impacted historical events. Example, the Crusades were a war to spread christianity to the heathens. Without the stories and messages in the Bible the Crusades would not have occured.

motivations and justifications for the various crusades were way more complex than that and frequently were political. it's worth studying if you have time - actually way more interesting than biblical stories.

Understanding the root beliefs of people will help you understand why they do/did things.

that's kind of my point. the "root" beliefs that would help inspire something like the crusades would obviously have to be a matter of extremely subjective interpretation. looking at stories in the bible would not even begin to explain why they happened.

plus they are interesting stories and do accuratly portray life in a time period with little records

pretty big misconception here. early OT stories don't portray life at the time accurately, and even in the NT there are known inconsistencies.

 

[ABM]

...early OT stories don't portray life at the time accurately, and even in the NT there are known inconsistencies.

Based upon infallible scientific research, I'm sure.

 

[crowTrobot]

Based upon infallible scientific research, I'm sure.

unless you're hung up on taking every word in the bible literally, I wouldn't think it's a huge deal for believers to get around if the authors sometimes embellished oral tradition of older stories with details more contemporaneous to when they were writing them down.

 

[ABM]

unless you're hung up on taking every word in the bible literally....

But, of course I take every word literally. Not to mention, it's my sole source as a guide to living life. I'm not in want.

 

[crowTrobot]

Not to mention, it's my sole source as a guide to living life.

jesus was a blazers fan?

 

[ABM]

jesus was a blazers fan?

was? still is