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Scalma said:
Portland’s winning percentage the last three years without CJ: 85%
Portland’s winning percentage the last three years without Dame: 52%

Obviously there’s a difference between seven games and seventeen games, but there are exactly ten games left this season hehe.

I’m not entirely serious, but at some point, especially if Portland keeps winning without him, it’s a question that will need to be asked. Are the Blazers better off building around Dame and Nurk? Would CJ sacrifice what he likes to do most and relegate himself to a third option? We’re talking about a guy that averages 18 shots a game and constantly has the ball in his hands. The data, however, backs up this theoretical scenario. McCollums usage % is lower in wins and higher in losses, and has been for the last three seasons. Now we’re seeing what the team looks like without him at all, and I can’t honestly say I’ve missed him. Everyone is more involved and Lillard is playing the best point guard of his life.

It’s only been three games, so the mccollum stans have that on their side....for now.
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Games CJ has missed:

This year: Home against Phoenix (7-31 on the road)

This year: Home against Indiana (17-20 on the road)

This year: Home against Dallas (7-30 on the road)

This year: Home against Detroit (14-23 on the road)

Last year: Away against Phoenix (10-31 at home)

The other two games he missed were the last two games of the 2016-2017 season when we (and the competition) were resting players, and Dame didn't play either, so to include those games in your "analysis" is disingenuous at best.

I get that you're deeply invested on this important subject, as evidenced by a new post every ten minutes, but you're really grasping at straws with this one given the sample size/circumstances. It shows a certain desperation and puts your entire argument into question.
 
hoopsjock said:
He's traded Barton, Crabbe, Withey, and let Connaughton walk. With the Clippers he traded Aminu in the Chris Paul trade.

Don't let facts get in the way of your narrative though.
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Lol barton and withey were trash at that time, withey still a no name without a team. And crabbe was obviously to safe Allens money, Connaughton was drafted by brooklyn, not by Portland. Oh yeah Aminu, it was probably just a coincidence that he signed him back in Portland. Neil loves his rookies too much and overpaid all in 2016, hopefully he changed
 
noknobs said:
Games CJ has missed:

This year: Home against Phoenix (7-31 on the road)

This year: Home against Indiana (17-20 on the road)

This year: Home against Dallas (7-30 on the road)

This year: Home against Detroit (14-23 on the road)

Last year: Away against Phoenix (10-31 at home)

The other two games he missed were the last two games of the 2016-2017 season when we (and the competition) were resting players, and Dame didn't play either, so to include those games in your "analysis" is disingenuous at best.

I get that you're deeply invested on this important subject, as evidenced by a new post every ten minutes, but you're really grasping at straws with this one given the sample size/circumstances. It shows a certain desperation and puts your entire argument into question.
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Wins are wins. If you want to minimize them to fit your narrative go ahead. Next time I’ll let CJ know to only miss games against elite teams.
 
Propagandist said:
Can someone explain the rationale behind starting Jake in CJ's stead? Hood is the perfect candidate, in my opinion, with his (apparently) higher defensive awareness and tenacity and the ability to create his own shot if all else fails. I know the bench rotation argument, but it's not as if Jake wasn't part of the bench rotation...

What I repeatedly saw in the Detroit game was the defense bending under Jake's inability to defend (anyone) and thus leaving guys scrambling to help. It happened over and over again. Maybe if they watched more film they'd notice? But seriously, Rodney just seems like the perfect guard beside Dame (with or without CJ)...I just don't get it.
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Sure, I mentioned it the other day as well. Stotts, along with other coaches in the NBA like to leave the rotation intact and bring another player off the bench rather than changing things up too much so that when CJ comes back it's as simple as taking Jake out and plugging McCollum back in. If Hood were to start it would be 2 changes by moving Hood back to the second unit. Agree or disagree isn't really the point on this philosophy as their are arguments to be made both ways but it's not uncommon for NBA coaches to follow the same philosophy as Stotts has implemented.
 
Scalma said:
Wins are wins. If you want to minimize them to fit your narrative go ahead. Next time I’ll let CJ know to only miss games against elite teams.
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There was no minimizing anything. He simply pointed out some facts. Sure wins are wins, but do you consider a win against the Warriors equivalent in relevance to a win over the Suns?
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I’m not talking about the “I would trade CJ for the right guy” crowd, I’m talking about the people that can’t even entertain the idea that this team *might* be better off without him.

For the record though, CJ isn’t keeping Dame from getting trapped.
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So you are suggesting we are better without CJ then?
 
I have felt for a while that I would like to convert CJ into a position that would be more beneficial.

Small forward.

We have plenty of players that can fill at two guard and I would rather have Dame handling the ball.

Edit - and by "convert" I mean do a trade that brings back an equal talent at SF.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
I have felt for a while that I would like to convert CJ into a position that would be more beneficial.

Small forward.

We have plenty of players that can fill at two guard and I would rather have Dame handling the ball.

Edit - and by "convert" I mean do a trade that brings back an equal talent at SF.
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I agree, problem is what’s an equal talent SF? We obviously aren’t taking about LeBron, KD, Kawhi, PG, or Giannis. So who? Butler? Tobias Harris? Middleton? Hayward? Or maybe a young guy? Tatum? Siakam? It’s just not a great market for SFs currently.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I agree, problem is what’s an equal talent SF? We obviously aren’t taking about LeBron, KD, Kawhi, PG, or Giannis. So who? Butler? Tobias Harris? Middleton? Hayward? Or maybe a young guy? Tatum? Siakam? It’s just not a great market for SFs currently.
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The targets have been out there. Neil just hasn't either tried or hasn't been able to close.

Paul George. Kawhi.

My gut says he didn't want to trade CJ because there was a the possibility that they would leave.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The targets have been out there. Neil just hasn't either tried or hasn't been able to close.

Paul George. Kawhi.

My gut says he didn't want to trade CJ because there was a the possibility that they would leave.
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yeah...there has been plenty of 'reporting' that whenever Olshey has engaged teams in discussions for those elite players he's held CJ "untouchable". That's pretty easy to believe, and of course since Portland has had such unimpressive assets outside of Dame & CJ, that has to have made Portland's hand fairly weak
 
Natebishop3 said:
The targets have been out there. Neil just hasn't either tried or hasn't been able to close.

Paul George. Kawhi.

My gut says he didn't want to trade CJ because there was a the possibility that they would leave.
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I don’t think San Antonio had any interest in trading Kawhi to a western team. Also, OKC just had a better package than us, though in hindsight we should’ve offered CJ.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I don’t think San Antonio had any interest in trading Kawhi to a western team. Also, OKC just had a better package than us, though in hindsight we should’ve offered CJ.
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I really don't think they did. If we had offered CJ and 3 first round picks, we would have beaten Oladipo (who was coming off a horrible season) and Sabonis.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really don't think they did. If we had offered CJ and 3 first round picks, we would have beaten Oladipo (who was coming off a horrible season) and Sabonis.
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But we didn’t, sadly. Oh well, hopefully we can find another all star.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I don’t think San Antonio had any interest in trading Kawhi to a western team. Also, OKC just had a better package than us, though in hindsight we should’ve offered CJ.
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Also factor in that word from PG's xamp is he was going to LA when he became free agent. Sure he ended up staying but to lose McCollum and then lose PG would have been devastating. Can you imagine the comments in this forum if we ended up with nothing.
 
Back to the OP, do we know anything more yet or just waiting on rehabbing back? The general walkthrough/shooting vid looked promising from last week.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The targets have been out there. Neil just hasn't either tried or hasn't been able to close.

Paul George. Kawhi.

My gut says he didn't want to trade CJ because there was a the possibility that they would leave.
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Funny thing is Cj is good as gone when his contract runs up. Dame will definitely be here we all know that but nobody seems to talk about how Cj doesn’t seem like a lifer here at all. Just seems to me he’s going to want his own start and plus we all know he loves the east coast nyc to be specific.

I just think Cj knows rip city doesn’t really appreciate him much for whatever reason and that we should be prepared to trade him
 
e_blazer said:
So, is there any update today on CJ's progress? I know it's a weird question in a thread like this.
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I doubt if any info on his progress will leak out for the rest of the regular season...he'll probably address it before the playoffs would be my guess
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Also, OKC just had a better package than us, though in hindsight we should’ve offered CJ.
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I don't think it's the case that OKC had the better package

Blazers had three 1st round picks, and reportedly, they offered all three. But also, reportedly (and by Olshey's own words), they refused to include CJ which meant they didn't have anything else attractive in terms of players

remember now, that was right after CJ had his career year and was much better than Oladipo that just completed season:

points/gm: CJ 23.0....Oladipo 15.9
assists/gm: CJ 3.6....Oladipo 2.6
PER: CJ 19.9....Oladipo 13.6
TS%: CJ .585....Oladipo .534
FT rate: CJ .204....Oladipo .165
winshares/48: CJ .131....Oladipo .085
box plus/minus: CJ +1.0....Oladipo -1.3
value over replacement: CJ 2.1....Oladipo 0.4

pretty heavy advantages for CJ. Now, it's possible that Indiana would have still liked Oladipo and Sabonis more, but it's very likely the case that Olshey never tested it
 
CJ was supposed to have been re-evaluated in a week, which was yesterday or today. Not sure if they'll announce any further timeline
 
CupWizier said:
Sure, I mentioned it the other day as well. Stotts, along with other coaches in the NBA like to leave the rotation intact and bring another player off the bench rather than changing things up too much so that when CJ comes back it's as simple as taking Jake out and plugging McCollum back in. If Hood were to start it would be 2 changes by moving Hood back to the second unit. Agree or disagree isn't really the point on this philosophy as their are arguments to be made both ways but it's not uncommon for NBA coaches to follow the same philosophy as Stotts has implemented.
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Link?
 
wizenheimer said:
CJ was supposed to have been re-evaluated in a week, which was yesterday or today. Not sure if they'll announce any further timeline
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McCollum already said that he is basically being evaluated every day. I think the week evaluation was to get the reporters off their backs and not constantly asking the same questions every day. I know Curry had a very similar injury and he was back playing in 15 days, but I would imagine the Blazers will be cautious so as to not rush him back to soon where it might get aggravated.
 
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Just saw a update he is not traveling with the team on their 4 game trip. according to Quick

"Terry Stotts says CJ McCollum (left knee strain) is progressing but will not accompany Blazers on trip to Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit and Minnesota."
 
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