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I’d be more intrigued with prying a piece of the return on KD than actually trading for KD.

Like if the Suns part with Mikal in a package for KD, I’d love to pry him from the Nets. The only package I see working salary-wise is Hart + GPII for Mikal. You might have to unprotect this year’s 1st and trade a top 10 protected 1st as well. But I’d do it.
 
Durant is the biggest bitch in the league. Keep him far away from the Blazers, please.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/platfor...-brooklyn-nets-kyrie-irving-zach-lowe-podcast

Lowe Adds Trail Blazers as Potential Kevin Durant Trade Destination

The ESPN analysts cite Portland as a potential new home for the 12-time All Star.

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Marks: I went through it, I was looking like Portland.

Lowe: There you go, you got my last Cinderalla team, talk me through Portland.

Marks: This is all after these restrictions are lifted here and they would have to lift protection, they owe Chicago a top 14 protected first for the next six years, so they’d have to lift the protection off that. But if I’m looking at their roster, is Shaedon Sharpe off the board? Is he off the board in any deals here? Their young prized rookie here. They’ve got salary filler, like Josh Hart, guys like that, rotational players. I would put Jerami Grant in the deal. Is Grant, Hart and Sharpe too much?

Lowe: I really do like Shaedon Sharpe, that’s a lot and obviously we’re implying that all three picks, three swaps whatever is involved for Durant. I do think they would probably pull Simons off the table. Simons can’t be traded until January 15

The problem with putting Nurkic in is I have no center at all. I have Drew Eubanks and small-ball fives like Winslow and Trendon Watford who hasn’t been playing this season. Do I need to get Claxton back. I find it hard to believe the Nets are going to draw a Claxton line in the sand. Do I need to find another center somewhere, probably, do I care necessarily.

That’s a lot though, I like what I’ve seen from Sharpe so far. Grant, I’m getting Durant anyway, so I don’t care, Hart is a good starting rotation player for them. You have to think about it. I mean, you paid Damian Lillard all this money, he’s 32, he’s going to be 36 by the end of the this contract, making $60 million. So you’re in for whatever the phrase is, a penny, or a pound, or a nickel, or whatever the hell the phrase is. You might as well be in for a lot more. Portland and Washington are my like maybe didn’t have the juice in the summer but...
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My head and heart is saying this is a bad idea. A very very bad idea.
 
In years past i have always been on the side of "If you can get a player the caliber of Kevin Durant then you better take that chance".
Maybe it's my older self talking at this point and maybe it's just that I've seen enough of players like KD?
What i want for the Blazers right now is to see what this team can grow to become? I want to see where they are after they blend and grow for more than just one season or a few months. I want to see Chauncey Billups grow as a coach and build his team for a minimum of 3 years. I want to see what Joe Chronin's plan is and what tweaks he can make without going all in on a player that might get you one or two years of relevancy if they happen to stay healthy.
Call me greedy but i want a dynasty. I want to build a team that can play together and stay together for a number of years. To me that means building young around Dame for the next 3-5 years.
I would hesitate when it comes to trading a player like Sharp after what we have seen in his first 8 NBA games of his career.
 
They are proposing the Blazers trade Grant, Hart, Sharpe, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps for Durant?

If this happened I would be the most upset I've ever been with this franchise.
 
AngryFan said:
They are proposing the Blazers trade Grant, Hart, Sharpe, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps for Durant?

If this happened I would be the most upset I've ever been with this franchise.
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Teams always ask high. I would consider Simons and some for Durant.
 
Hoopguru said:
Teams always ask high. I would consider Simons and some for Durant.
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Have to make up like 20 mil if it's Simons and filler. Also need to somehow find replacement players while not breaking the hard cap.
 
Trading Durant would be kind of like "oh hey, look at Brookyln and how well that worked out. I want some of that".
 
Natebishop3 said:
Have to make up like 20 mil if it's Simons and filler. Also need to somehow find replacement players while not breaking the hard cap.
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Whatever it takes without giving up Dame, Sharpe, Grant
 
AngryFan said:
They are proposing the Blazers trade Grant, Hart, Sharpe, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps for Durant?

If this happened I would be the most upset I've ever been with this franchise.
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My counter-offer:
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Like it or lump it, fuckers. NO PICKS FOR YOU.

(I don't expect them to like it. If they said yes, I'd probably have second thoughts. Fuck Durant.)
 

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Hoopguru said:
Id give them Simons before Grant.
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I like our team, but if a player like Durant is available, everyone has a price they are willing to give up if they think they player would help them contend.
 
PROPOSITION: Brooklyn needs to crater.
Kyrie Irving is done as a Nets player and is KIEC and basically untradable. (Free speech + reality + KI’s past behavior + consequence)
I hope Ben Simmons’ biggest difficulties are behind him. (Wish him well on mental health.) But I don’t see him returning to all star Ben Simmons.

1. In other words, trade Ben ASAP — 3 years of contract and $$$. Expiring contracts returned (and/or young players) with protected picks.
2. KI is suspended until his public penance is done. No more need for public statements by the Nets. If he then can be traded for ANYONE useful (especially younger), get it done. Cut bait.
3. Then, when the timing and offers are BEST possible, trade Durant. Getting Anfernee Simons would be a slam dunk for the Nets, IMHO. All time player at age 34 with a locked in contract and a boat full of team issues … go young and with good guys who are ballers.

Rebuild the Nets. Take an enormous mulligan and move on.
 
Hoopguru said:
not for sure about the rule but can you make moves without going over the apron thats established?
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So here's the rub, and there's other people who are more knowledgeable than me on this (@hoopsjock )

You have to carry a minimum of players. I can't remember if it's 13 or 14.
The two-way players do not count towards this minimum.
You cannot go over the hard cap to sign players if you're going to be below the minimum.

So if we trade for someone like Durant, and we need to send out 4-5 guys to do it, I don't think we will have the space to stay under the hard cap and sign even vet minimum guys.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So here's the rub, and there's other people who are more knowledgeable than me on this (@hoopsjock )

You have to carry a minimum of players. I can't remember if it's 13 or 14.
The two-way players do not count towards this minimum.
You cannot go over the hard cap to sign players if you're going to be below the minimum.

So if we trade for someone like Durant, and we need to send out 4-5 guys to do it, I don't think we will have the space to stay under the hard cap and sign even vet minimum guys.
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Yeah, we wouldn't be able to afer that trade. That would put us right up against the hard cap. A follow up move would have to happen almost immediately.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So here's the rub, and there's other people who are more knowledgeable than me on this (@hoopsjock )

You have to carry a minimum of players. I can't remember if it's 13 or 14.
The two-way players do not count towards this minimum.
You cannot go over the hard cap to sign players if you're going to be below the minimum.

So if we trade for someone like Durant, and we need to send out 4-5 guys to do it, I don't think we will have the space to stay under the hard cap and sign even vet minimum guys.
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pretty sure the minimum is set at 14 players because of the league hitting the trigger last season. IIRC it's something like the majority number of teams having 14 players

as far as trading for Durant while staying under the apron, it's do-able, just wouldn't be easy

Durant makes 44M. Sending out Simons (22.3M), Grant (21M), and Keon (2.7M), for instance, would get Portland over 8M below the apron. And this would be at least half-way thru the season so any signings would/could be pro-rated. Like a 1.8M vet minimum would be 0.9M. A d-leaguer would be 400K; If the Blazers had to sign 3 players, they could actually use their BAE with that 8M margin under the apron (assuming any player would be worth it)
 
wizenheimer said:
pretty sure the minimum is set at 14 players because of the league hitting the trigger last season. IIRC it's something like the majority number of teams having 14 players

as far as trading for Durant while staying under the apron, it's do-able, just wouldn't be easy

Durant makes 44M. Sending out Simons (22.3M), Grant (21M), and Keon (2.7M), for instance, would get Portland over 8M below the apron. And this would be at least half-way thru the season so any signings would/could be pro-rated. Like a 1.8M vet minimum would be 0.9M. A d-leaguer would be 400K; If the Blazers had to sign 3 players, they could actually use their BAE with that 8M margin under the apron (assuming any player would be worth it)
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Does trading Simon's and Grant for Durant make the Blazers a contender?

Dame Hart Winslow Durant Nurk. Nice starting lineup but I'd think it's unlikely to be a contending team. 2 aging stars and 3 below average starters.

I'd rather keep the young 20 something Ant plus the other players required to send out than a 35 year old Durant.

The time to trade for Durant was in the summer when the Blazers had Bledsoe contract, no hard cap, options to add other starters, and time to build such as training camp.

Just doesn't make any sense for the Blazers now.
 
wizenheimer said:
pretty sure the minimum is set at 14 players because of the league hitting the trigger last season. IIRC it's something like the majority number of teams having 14 players

as far as trading for Durant while staying under the apron, it's do-able, just wouldn't be easy

Durant makes 44M. Sending out Simons (22.3M), Grant (21M), and Keon (2.7M), for instance, would get Portland over 8M below the apron. And this would be at least half-way thru the season so any signings would/could be pro-rated. Like a 1.8M vet minimum would be 0.9M. A d-leaguer would be 400K; If the Blazers had to sign 3 players, they could actually use their BAE with that 8M margin under the apron (assuming any player would be worth it)
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Thanks, they will prob stay the course till next off season and the cap goes up to engineer any big trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Does trading Simon's and Grant for Durant make the Blazers a contender?

Dame Hart Winslow Durant Nurk. Nice starting lineup but I'd think it's unlikely to be a contending team. 2 aging stars and 3 below average starters.

I'd rather keep the young 20 something Ant plus the other players required to send out than a 35 year old Durant.

The time to trade for Durant was in the summer when the Blazers had Bledsoe contract, no hard cap, options to add other starters, and time to build such as training camp.

Just doesn't make any sense for the Blazers now.
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Hart as a “below average” starter is highly disingenuous. Nurk isn’t a below average starter, he’s an average starter.

But otherwise, what you’ve said is true. I don’t think swapping out Ant and Grant for KD makes us a contender, even if no picks were involved.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Does trading Simon's and Grant for Durant make the Blazers a contender?

Dame Hart Winslow Durant Nurk. Nice starting lineup but I'd think it's unlikely to be a contending team. 2 aging stars and 3 below average starters.

I'd rather keep the young 20 something Ant plus the other players required to send out than a 35 year old Durant.

The time to trade for Durant was in the summer when the Blazers had Bledsoe contract, no hard cap, options to add other starters, and time to build such as training camp.

Just doesn't make any sense for the Blazers now.
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I wasn't advocating to trade for Durant, at all. I was simply pointing out it wasn't as big an obstacle in terms of being hard-capped as people were thinking.
 
Durant to PDX by deadline. It's becoming more and more of a possibility if Nets implode.
 
wizenheimer said:
pretty sure the minimum is set at 14 players because of the league hitting the trigger last season. IIRC it's something like the majority number of teams having 14 players

as far as trading for Durant while staying under the apron, it's do-able, just wouldn't be easy

Durant makes 44M. Sending out Simons (22.3M), Grant (21M), and Keon (2.7M), for instance, would get Portland over 8M below the apron. And this would be at least half-way thru the season so any signings would/could be pro-rated. Like a 1.8M vet minimum would be 0.9M. A d-leaguer would be 400K; If the Blazers had to sign 3 players, they could actually use their BAE with that 8M margin under the apron (assuming any player would be worth it)
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I’d do Simons and Grant for Durant in heart beat and I’m a huge Simons fan. That said I’m perfectly content to ride it out with the core we have Dame, Simons, Grant and Sharpe
 
Simons out to make room for Sharpe. KD for Grant. We contend this year and next.
 
Can't PHX trade Ayton at the deadline? Throw in some other pieces? That is where he wants to be or MIA. He would never want to be a Blazer and this is clear to Cronin. PDX is beneath him. He probably still cannot see how these ridiculous super teams were/are a huge failure.
 
One of the team rules for the new Billups ball grit culture is -- NO SNAKES ALLOWED!! Pass. /
 
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