OT The Gun Thread

[riverman]

Can a Crayon create art on its own?

if a crayon is left in the sun on a sidewalk, it'll melt into art on the sidewalk...but I'll give you the point that the crayon doesn't plan this out

 

[wizenheimer]

"when I was a boy, my parents kept a gun in the house. It was to protect the 5 children. After a couple of years, they got rid of the gun....to protect the 4 children"......Anthony Jeselnik

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

More accurately......America is full of entitled shitheads......

Yes, I agree. A lot of these thugs have a sense of entitlement.

 

[Propagandist]

Can a Crayon create art on its own? If you leave it in the box, will it come alive, find some paper, and next thing you know there's art?

So if a Crayon can't create on its own, why is a gun any different?

Five people shot those five people in your life. People are evil. Just like there are evil cops. Evil exists. I have been around guns for 38 years and I have never seen anything. In fact, the only time I have ever had a gun pointed at me was by cops.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. versus Crayons don't make art. People make art. There is a difference here.

And the difference is that guns have a designation, no? They are deadly weapons. @wizenheimer's quote sums it up perfectly: "when I was a boy, my parents kept a gun in the house. It was to protect the 5 children. After a couple of years, they got rid of the gun....to protect the 4 children"......Anthony Jeselnik. It isn't about intent. Their mere existence creates the possibility of a deadly event.

Sure, they don't exist in a vacuum. Sure, they have no intention, no brain or blood or nervous system. "So if a Crayon can't create on its own, why is a gun any different?" What a terrifying statement. If a Crayon was DESIGNED to be jabbed up people's noses to color-kill their brains, I'd agree. I think we all would.

Saying all this doesn't mean I am for or against guns. It simply means that I recognize their potential. Does the good outweigh the bad? That isn't the point. The point is that by pretending that they aren't dangerous just by existing is absurd and it is hard to have a dialogue on safety or rights or any of that stuff when people pretend otherwise.

 

[Orion Bailey]

a kid shooting a gun dad has at home isn't making a fucking excuse....a dictator pointing a missile at civilians isn't an excuse....your take on guns aren't an issue is full of holes….I didn't justify weapons and their availability as peaceful objects dude.....it's not an excuse, it's an observation...fuck guns ...we'd be better off without any of them...the fact is people are irresponsible and prone towards rage....your bucket list for humanity and mine are not in sync I'm guessing

People make choices. Holding a pc of steel responsible for that is flawed logic. You can get mad and cuss all you want or you can agree to disagree. I prefer to hold humans responsible for their actions and decisions. Not make excuses.
Guns, weapons, have been around since the beginning to time. Its not like guns just appeared in the last 50 years.

And yes a kid shooting a gun dad has at home is making excuses for the dad not being responsible. That is black and white. To blame the existence of the gun is insane to me. The father CHOSE to bring it in the house. the father CHOSE to not lock it up.


Anything less is an excuse.

 

[Orion Bailey]

people talk like guns are just gonna go away. LOL .

 

[riverman]

People make choices. Holding a pc of steel responsible for that is flawed logic. You can get mad and cuss all you want or you can agree to disagree. I prefer to hold humans responsible for their actions and decisions. Not make excuses.
Guns, weapons, have been around since the beginning to time. Its not like guns just appeared in the last 50 years.

And yes a kid shooting a gun dad has at home is making excuses for the dad not being responsible. That is black and white. To blame the existence of the gun is insane to me. The father CHOSE to bring it in the house. the father CHOSE to not lock it up.


Anything less is an excuse.

anything else is reality....people have never been that fucking responsible....and as it is, you have your gun rights in this country...I chose to disagree with gun ownership beyond manually chambered hunting rifles for rural use ...I've said it many times...better yet...no guns at all. You don't have to agree but you also don't need to belittle my values as excuses...they are opinions...I have strong opinions about it...handgrenades have been around for longer than 50 years....so have lots of destructive things...that doesn't justify propping them up or identifying them as important to mankind although your right in America to be armed and collect ammo is intact. I'm not talking to a gun...I'm talking to you about a gun....

 

[Orion Bailey]

anything else is reality....people have never been that fucking responsible....and as it is, you have your gun rights in this country...I chose to disagree with gun ownership beyond manually chambered hunting rifles for rural use ...I've said it many times...better yet...no guns at all. You don't have to agree but you also don't need to belittle my values as excuses...they are opinions...I have strong opinions about it...handgrenades have been around for longer than 50 years....so have lots of destructive things...that doesn't justify propping them up or identifying them as important to mankind

Who said anything about propping guns up or identifying them as important? I know I didnt. So here you are again twisting words around, then you will tell me to ignore you even though you quoted me and now are saying things irrelevant to the convo....

People aren't responsible with cars and they kill. Lets ban them too and blame the cars and not the drivers...
People arent responsible with Swords. Ive seen the videos. Lets ban those too.
Hey, words can kill. We should ban speech too!


Sigh..

Ill pull a Stren. Im right and you are wrong. End of discussion.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm assuming one had more "criminals" than the other as well.

Yeah and all crimes are commited with guns...

More flawed logic. LOL.

 

[riverman]

Who said anything about propping guns up or identifying them as important? I know I didnt. So here you are again twisting words around, then you will tell me to ignore you even though you quoted me and now are saying things irrelevant to the convo....

dude....c'mon....stop trying to translate intentions here

 

[Orion Bailey]

dude....c'mon....stop trying to translate intentions here

I wouldn't have to translate if you didn't use hyperbole to insinuate people are glorifying/propping up guns by simply saying its the owner responsible, not the gun itself.

Anyhow..
Okay man.

 

[Propagandist]

The following is 100% a true story (and I think I've told part 2 in here before, but whatever):

Part 1.

I was boy, perhaps 12 years old, exploring a closet with my friend. It was his parent's closet, overflowing with clothes and shoes and cufflinks and ties and the like. We soon came upon an object, its barrel-like shape smooth and oily. He jabbed it into my face, pushing my cheek hard against my teeth. Then rubbed it around on my face. "What is that?" I asked and he shrugged, holding the object in both hands. "I don't know." He turned the base and the object began to vibrate. We laughed and passed it back and forth, at times jabbing each other's facing as it hummed away...

It wasn't until years later that I realized it was a vibrator.

Part 2.

Same friend, same day, same place...

Our hands oily from the sex toy, he pulled from a hidden compartment behind his father's sock drawer, a gun. We took it out into the bedroom and sat on the bed, turning it over in our hands. I held it, he held it. He pulled back the slide like they do in the movies then dropped the magazine and pointed the gun at my head. I freaked. "What?" he said. "It's empty." He pulled back the slide and the bullet glinted in the ejection port. Motherfuck.

 

[Lanny]

Guns, Guns, Guns-The Guess Who



The singing doesn't start until the 1 minute 30 second point.

 

[Lanny]

I'm more of a logic guy...... I will never understand people fearing an inanimate object.

Also..... showing up for a thread where someone was asking for recommendations?

I'll never understand people's fear of a twitchy finger when no gun is available.

 

[THE HCP]

Can a Crayon create art on its own? If you leave it in the box, will it come alive, find some paper, and next thing you know there's art?

So if a Crayon can't create on its own, why is a gun any different?

Five people shot those five people in your life. People are evil. Just like there are evil cops. Evil exists. I have been around guns for 38 years and I have never seen anything. In fact, the only time I have ever had a gun pointed at me was by cops.

You are allowed your opinion, but I have lost too many friends to bullets ripping through their bodies to continue this conversation.

This post brought to you by the murder of my childhood friend Mujib Dudley, who on a rainy evening in November of 1992 was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta.
Cause of death...... Inanimate Object.

 

[Lanny]

You are allowed your opinion, but I have lost too many friends to bullets ripping through their bodies to continue this conversation.

This post brought to you by the murder of my childhood friend Mujib Dudley, who on a rainy evening in November of 1992 was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta.
Cause of death...... Inanimate Object.

Can a man shoot another man without a gun? Can a man create art just using his mind?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

cot damn. that's a stash

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/the-second-amendment-saved-these-gun-owners-lives-april

I bet no one reads this......

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You are allowed your opinion, but I have lost too many friends to bullets ripping through their bodies to continue this conversation.

This post brought to you by the murder of my childhood friend Mujib Dudley, who on a rainy evening in November of 1992 was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta.
Cause of death...... Inanimate Object.

Did they catch who shot him?

 

[THE HCP]

Did they catch who shot him?

Man this is a god damn post from 2 years ago dealing with the same person on here about the same god damn topic. I'm not doing this again.

 

[Minstrel]

Sure, people kill people with guns, guns don't do it by themselves. That's a pretty shallow observation, though.

The point is that guns enable people to kill much more easily and quickly. If guns didn't exist or weren't allowed, there would still be criminally malicious people and murderers. But it's much harder to kill 20 or 50 people at a time with a knife. Murders would still happen--mass murders would be far, far, far rarer. Not because people would suddenly stop wanting to mass murder, but because mass murder would be much, much, much harder.

Let's stop with "guns don't kill people, people kill people." It's trite and meaningless when it comes to the discussion of the effect of unregulated firearms on society. "Society" already denotes that people are the actors. The question is whether we want to allow guns to be an accessible tool for those people.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sure, people kill people with guns, guns don't do it by themselves. That's a pretty shallow observation, though.

The point is that guns enable people to kill much more easily and quickly. If guns didn't exist or weren't allowed, there would still be criminally malicious people and murderers. But it's much harder to kill 20 or 50 people at a time with a knife. Murders would still happen--mass murders would be far, far, far rarer. Not because people would suddenly stop wanting to mass murder, but because mass murder would be much, much, much harder.

Let's stop with "guns don't kill people, people kill people." It's trite and meaningless when it comes to the discussion of the effect of unregulated firearms on society. "Society" already denotes that people are the actors. The question is whether we want to allow guns to be an accessible tool for those people.

Are you in the ban guns camp?

I'm not a fan of guns, but I try to look at it realistically. If we banned guns( there are millions out there already) How many unregistered or illegally owned guns would still be on the streets and in the hands of criminals, while innocent people aren't able to have one and defend themselves against those who do"


Meaning, Banning guns wont get them out of the hands of the criminals. It will just get them out of the hands of the law abiding citizens and leave ONLY criminals armed.

I'm not for that at all.

So the thought may be shallow, but it has more depth than what can be seen on the surface.

 

[Minstrel]

Are you in the ban guns camp?

Not entirely. I'm in the "regulate guns" camp. Assault rifles are completely unnecessary for civilians and should be banned. Hand guns and shotguns should be extremely strictly regulated--there should be background checks, a license should be required before purchase, there should be a red flag law regarding them. Concealed carry should be illegal except for people with a specific, professional need.

None of these regulations are minority views--they all poll well in the US. These are, IMO, common sense regulations that probably would have been enacted long ago except for the NRA's influence over many policitians.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not entirely. I'm in the "regulate guns" camp. Assault rifles are completely unnecessary for civilians and should be banned. Hand guns and shotguns should be extremely strictly regulated--there should be background checks, a license should be required before purchase, there should be a red flag law regarding them. Concealed carry should be illegal except for people with a specific, professional need.

None of these regulations are minority views--they all poll well in the US. These are, IMO, common sense regulations that probably would have been enacted long ago except for the NRA's influence over many policitians.

I can agree with that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Seeing these mass looters has shown me that assault weapons should be allowed. Being attacked by multiple assailants at once, a simple gun, may not be sufficient. Imagine it could get worse.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Seeing these mass looters has shown me that assault weapons should be allowed. Being attacked by multiple assailants at once, a simple gun, may not be sufficient. Imagine it could get worse.

I mean, yes... I would like to own a full auto M4. I don’t plan on shooting anybody with it but damn do I wanna take it shooting on weekends...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I mean, yes... I would like to own a full auto M4. I don’t plan on shooting anybody with it but damn do I wanna take it shooting on weekends...

It should be used for defensive purposes, only.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Upland is like the Gresham of the LA Area.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

It should be used for defensive purposes, only.

Yeah, I need to defend myself against the tannerite targets in the woods man.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It should be used for defensive purposes, only.

Still have to shoot it regularly to keep up on skill.

There are some people.... Okay, I own a gun! Im safe! Lock it in the safe, and never take the classes or learn about gun safety and responsibility. Blows my mind.


This goes for you too bro, since you've admitted not being into guns. Just cause you get your hands on one doesn't mean it will save you unless you are familiar with it and how it shoots.