Zombie The Next Siakam? Don't Sleep On Zach Collins.

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Wizard Mentor said:
Don't forget this article written right before game 7 of the Denver series:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/pa...-raises-portland-hopes-game-7-brighter-future
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Loved this....

Swapping Hood for one of Maurice Harkless and Al-Farouq Aminu -- 7-of-30 combined from deep in this series -- has upped Portland's shooting quotient without compromising its defense. Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum, dealing with traps at every turn, have more space to breathe with Hood on the floor. He has punished Denver for creeping away to help on Portland's central pick-and-roll action:
 
I'm watching Miami vs Phoenix, Bam Adebayo is so freaking good, he does everything for the heat. It makes me sad the we drafted a guy who is to weak to grab the ball and not Bam
 
I've never been a fan of Collins. I don't think he'll amount to much. He fouls way too much and hasn't shown any signs of learning not to, so I'm not sure he'll ever actually be a good defender. Hope he proves me wrong!
 
Let's be easy on Collins. This was only his 8th game as a starter this season and he's been thrown into the deep end of the pool for what have been playoff games for us.

He shot 60% from the field today and 50% from 3. He grabbed 7 rebounds. He only committed 3 fouls and 1 turnover. And he was a team high +8.
 
Really the only bad shooting game was the first one against Memphis. He averaging about 1.5 turnovers a game. His defense was solid today on defense. His scoring and rebound average is up from prior season. But remember he only taking around 5-6 shots a game. I getting believe some of you guys just don't like him so doesn't matter what he does on the floor you will still have negative comments about him.
 
Nice video it moved along well and presented the case.

I just don't agree with it. Totally different players in my opinion. Zach will be defensively less effective but more effective as a perimeter shooter.

Now the overall premise that he could take a 3rd year jump i agree with. Even hope for. He did not get his third year this year. His fourth will be his third. One good thing is he will hopefully again get some playoff experience though i doubt it will be more than 5-6 games this year. The Bubble experience might help Zack get some experience also.
 
kjironman1 said:
Totally different players in my opinion. Zach will be defensively less effective but more effective as a perimeter shooter.
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not sure how you arrived at Zach becoming a better shooter? Sure, it's possible but Siakam is shooting 36.2% this year on three's while averaging 6 attempts a game. That's decent. More than that though is closing out on Siakam will be a lot more risky than closing out on Zach because Siakam has great dribble-drive ability. That's going to leave him more shooting space.

I think the Siakam comp was kind of loopy. Siakam has all-star talent & impact. So far, Zach has shown Mo Harkless impact and a game more like Jason Smith or a poor man's Keith Van Horn than Siakam
 
As long he plays with Dame and CJ and Nurk he will be always be 4 or 5 option on offense. The opportunity will not be there for a lot big offense night. His niche has to be on the defense end and the boards. I believe that's his role will be in the future for this team. Trying to compare him to other young bigs in this league not fair to him due to a lot of them is 2 or 3rd option on there team so the opportunity to score are higher for them. But majority of them if they was on our team might not be as successful on offense as they are on the team there playing for. But majority of them might score a lot but they play no defense.
 
wizenheimer said:
not sure how you arrived at Zach becoming a better shooter? Sure, it's possible but Siakam is shooting 36.2% this year on three's while averaging 6 attempts a game. That's decent. More than that though is closing out on Siakam will be a lot more risky than closing out on Zach because Siakam has great dribble-drive ability. That's going to leave him more shooting space.

I think the Siakam comp was kind of loopy. Siakam has all-star talent & impact. So far, Zach has shown Mo Harkless impact and a game more like Jason Smith or a poor man's Keith Van Horn than Siakam
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From what i see (remember i said In my opinion) Zack has a better shot and release. What i said was shooter. Not a creator with the ball in his hands. He ain't never gonna be all that.
 
I wouldn’t give up on him yet. We gave up on CJ right before he became a prolific scorer. We gave up on Trent before we realized he had a killer instinct.

I thought CJ was a scrub after his first 2 years. It was bad

Bigs tend to take longer to develop. He’s super young and shows glimpses. Has that personality type and hunger to get better. He’ll be good without a doubt in my mind. Just give it time.
 
Labinot41 said:
I'm watching Miami vs Phoenix, Bam Adebayo is so freaking good, he does everything for the heat. It makes me sad the we drafted a guy who is to weak to grab the ball and not Bam
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We blew it with Zach. Shit we coulda even had John Collins or Jarret Allen. How Zach Collins was a 10th pick is beyond me
 
Zach probably will never have the dribbling ability that pascal has. He had a step back three late in the game against Memphis today that Zach can only dream of replicating at this point of his career. I’m still a fan, I think he still has a lot of potential
 
MickZagger said:
I wouldn’t give up on him yet. We gave up on CJ right before he became a prolific scorer. We gave up on Trent before we realized he had a killer instinct.

I thought CJ was a scrub after his first 2 years. It was bad

Bigs tend to take longer to develop. He’s super young and shows glimpses. Has that personality type and hunger to get better. He’ll be good without a doubt in my mind. Just give it time.
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Define “good”... if by good you mean he will be a rotational piece most of his NBA career, then sure. If you mean good as in he will be a star player then no, he doesn’t excel at anything. He’s a decent defender but other than that? Lot to be desired. Really wish we could go back and take an actual franchise changer like Bam or Mitchell.
 
At least once every game, Zach gets an offensive rebound, pump fakes, goes up, gets blocked, and the ball goes off his hands out of bounds.

Every. Freaking. Game.
 
Then we had two times in a minute in the third quarter today when he was knocking rebounds out of teammates' hands.
 
A Zach / CJ trade offer might be appealing to someone. Not sure what ZC does well. He’s really young and I’m sure will improve but if they want Lillard to have the best opportunity to win big they don’t have time to wait on Zach.
 
kjironman1 said:
Nice video it moved along well and presented the case.

I just don't agree with it. Totally different players in my opinion. Zach will be defensively less effective but more effective as a perimeter shooter.

Now the overall premise that he could take a 3rd year jump i agree with. Even hope for. He did not get his third year this year. His fourth will be his third. One good thing is he will hopefully again get some playoff experience though i doubt it will be more than 5-6 games this year. The Bubble experience might help Zack get some experience also.
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I never said they were the same type of player, at all.
 
BonesJones said:
I never said they were the same type of player, at all.
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And really most of the video was Zags practice video. Seems like you missed the statement. "Now the OVERALL PREMISE that he could take a 3rd year jump i agree with." "Even Hope For".
Or did you stop reading as soon as i said "I just don't agree with it" "Totally different player".
 
You guys just won't be happy with Zach but you are same guys was drooling over in the playoffs last year.
 
by the way, Siakam has played 204 games, Zach 172. So, only 32 more games, less than half a season

and Siakam is averaging 23-7-4 while getting the defensive resistance a #1 option gets. But if you take away the 58 games of this season and jump back to Siakam's 3rd season, then he's at 146 games vs Zach's 172. But for Siakam, that's at the end of last year's playoffs when Siakam played 24 games. To get back to relative equivalence to Zach you'd need to look at Siakam at 120 games or so vs Zach at 172. At that point, Siakam was averaging 17-7-3 with a PER of 18.7 and a TS% of .628. Zach's at 7-6-2 with a PER of 9.9 and a TS% of .556

obviously, you can still trot out the excuse of the injury to explain Zach's lack of development, and maybe that's valid. But the 'he's-still-young' excuse is beginning to fail. I think the injury excuse is looking a little shaky too
 
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