The Official 2019 NBA Finals Thread (1 Viewer)

[Pinwheel1]

Did you even watch the game? They still lost, but the defensive adjustment allowed them to erase a 12 point deficit and have a chance to win the game. The box-and-1 defense they used on Curry only allowed GSW 1 FG the last five minutes of the game, which was the 3 by Iggy to put it away.

What I saw was 4 guys unwilling to take a wide open shot for most of the time after Klay went out. I do give credit to Nurse for the box and one, but the lineup was the bigger factor. Guys were wide open!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

What I saw was 4 guys unwilling to take a wide open shot for most of the time after Klay went out. I do give credit to Nurse for the box and one, but the lineup was the bigger factor. Guys were wide open!

I feel like they were trying to kill clock the last 3-4 minutes, they werent very aggressive.

 

[OneSport3]

I'm just saying, they didn't get the stop so they never got a chance. Being technical I know, but it's what happened.

Exactly, just to prove your point you're being technical. But you're telling me in a one possession game with 27 seconds left, there was no chance to win the game? Give me a break.

 

[trailblazer18]

Raptors come back came without Klay, that certainly helped their cause and allowed them to play that box and one D on Curry.

 

[OneSport3]

What I saw was 4 guys unwilling to take a wide open shot for most of the time after Klay went out. I do give credit to Nurse for the box and one, but the lineup was the bigger factor. Guys were wide open!

That's exactly why it's called an adjustment. They were wide open for a reason. Curry was the only one that they didn't want to shoot.

 

[kjironman1]

Did you even watch the game? They still lost, but the defensive adjustment allowed them to erase a 12 point deficit and have a chance to win the game. The box-and-1 defense they used on Curry only allowed GSW 1 FG the last five minutes of the game, which was the 3 by Iggy to put it away.

Well lets just say GS didn't capitalize on the defense. They got open looks that didn't fall. So saying they only allowed one FG is kind of a stretch. Very easily could have held that lead.
4:05 Iggy missed a three
3:38 Cook missed a three
2:54 Green Missed a three
2:29 Cousins missed a three
1:21 Cook misses a 14 foot jumper
The Box and 1 did take Curry out of the game on the offensive end. Teams do this to Dame when he has few others. But if Klay is healthy or Durrant??? It isn't even an option.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That's exactly why it's called an adjustment. They were wide open for a reason. Curry was the only one that they didn't want to shoot.

Yeah well we left those same guys wide open at times too for a reason. How did that work out?

 

[DDolla]

Series is over, Raptors go down 3-1. Blew home court opportunity

 

[OneSport3]

Well lets just say GS didn't capitalize on the defense. They got open looks that didn't fall. So saying they only allowed one FG is kind of a stretch. Very easily could have held that lead.
4:05 Iggy missed a three
3:38 Cook missed a three
2:54 Green Missed a three
2:29 Cousins missed a three
1:21 Cook misses a 14 foot jumper
The Box and 1 did take Curry out of the game on the offensive end. Teams do this to Dame when he has few others. But if Klay is healthy or Durrant??? It isn't even an option.

OMG, you guys are incredulous. Obviously with Klay or Durant in the game, this type of defense is not an option. But like I said, Nurse was able to recognize what lineup GSW had and ADJUST his defensive strategy.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I got Shaq... FML.

 

[OneSport3]

Yeah well we left those same guys wide open at times too for a reason. How did that work out?

That's just basketball. You just play the percentages. Like they say, it's a make or miss league. You would much rather Iggy, Cook, Green and Cousins taking those shots than Curry.

Actually, Stotts took the opposite strategy in Game 1 and left Curry wide open and dared him to beat POR.

 

[kjironman1]

OMG, you guys are incredulous. Obviously with Klay or Durant in the game, this type of defense is not an option. But like I said, Nurse was able to recognize what lineup GSW had and ADJUST his defensive strategy.

It's not incredulous. It's obvious that if any of those shots fall the Raptors are not in any position to be in the game with 26 seconds left. Nurse did very well. No one is arguing that. But he made a huge mistake at the end.
There isn't a coach in the league that would not recognize that Durant is not on the court. There is not a coach in the league that wouldn't recognize that Klay is not on the court. I don't consider what he did as a great adjustment. I consider it an obvious adjustment.

 

[Wade Garrett]

Did you even watch the game? They still lost, but the defensive adjustment allowed them to erase a 12 point deficit and have a chance to win the game. The box-and-1 defense they used on Curry only allowed GSW 1 FG the last five minutes of the game, which was the 3 by Iggy to put it away.

You forgot the part about blowing the double digit lead. Or is that strictly a Stotts thing?
Point is, Nurse coached his ass off tonight, but he didn't go 0- whatever it was, to start the 3rd.

 

[kjironman1]

You forgot the part about blowing the double digit lead. Or is that strictly a Stotts thing?
Point is, Nurse coached his ass off tonight, but he didn't go 0- whatever it was, to start the 3rd.

You beat me to it.
It's like Nick Nurse totally forgot who he was coaching against at halftime.
The even better part is he waits until the lead is gone and they are down 2 before calling his first time out. Then he waits another 3 mins and the Warriors lead is at 9. Game over.

 

[OneSport3]

It's not incredulous. It's obvious that if any of those shots fall the Raptors are not in any position to be in the game with 26 seconds left. Nurse did very well. No one is arguing that. But he made a huge mistake at the end.
There isn't a coach in the league that would not recognize that Durant is not on the court. There is not a coach in the league that wouldn't recognize that Klay is not on the court. I don't consider what he did as a great adjustment. I consider it an obvious adjustment.

When was the last time you saw a box-and-1 defense in the NBA? Answer me that. It was a fantastic adjustment. GSW scored 3 points in the last 5:39. Also, answer me this, would you rather have Curry shooting the ball or the other 4 guys on the floor?

What mistake did he make at the end? Not fouling? You can see that he was waving frantically for his guys to foul Draymond when he caught the ball.

 

[OneSport3]

You forgot the part about blowing the double digit lead. Or is that strictly a Stotts thing?
Point is, Nurse coached his ass off tonight, but he didn't go 0- whatever it was, to start the 3rd.

No, it's simply a Warriors thing. They are the class of the league for a reason. They are a all-time great team that does that to the 29 other teams in the league. Their 3rd quarter runs are a hallmark of this current team. They've done it to best coaches in the league from Popovich to Rivers to Stevens.

 

[Wade Garrett]

No, it's simply a Warriors thing. They are the class of the league for a reason. They are a all-time great team that does that to the 29 other teams in the league. Their 3rd quarter runs are a hallmark of this current team. They've done it to best coaches in the league from Popovich to Rivers to Stevens.

I'm absolutely certain Terry Stotts would agree.

 

[Strenuus]

Kind of wondering why Nick Nurse didn't call for a foul at the end of that game? That loss goes squarely on their coach in my book. When the warriors have the ball up 2 with 27 seconds and there is a 24 second shot clock i would think letting them run the clock down to 5 and letting them shoot an uncontested three would be exactly what you would not want to happen.
Are we gonna start saying that the coach isn't on the court now?
Are we gonna start saying that he can call the play all he wants but the team has to execute now?
Are we gonna start giving him a pass because he made a good adjustment in the 2nd quarter?
Are we gonna start praising his Box and 1 defense that got totally exposed as another gimmic that can't stop even a GS team without Klay?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Every Coach is Better than Stotts.

Man. There would be so many seasons of that show.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Actually, Stotts took the opposite strategy in Game 1 and left Curry wide open and dared him to beat POR.

And then Stotts made an adjustment for games 2, 3, 4, We led big in each of the last 3 games. But in the end of each, the Warriors played exceptionally well defense. Hats off to them.

Tonight Toronto shot 37.2% from the field and 28.9% deep. That is what the Warriors do especially in the 2nd half of games.

 

[kjironman1]

When was the last time you saw a box-and-1 defense in the NBA? Answer me that. It was a fantastic adjustment. GSW scored 3 points in the last 5:39. Also, answer me this, would you rather have Curry shooting the ball or the other 4 guys on the floor?

What mistake did he make at the end? Not fouling? You can see that he was waving frantically for his guys to foul Draymond when he caught the ball.

Look if you really want me to go into a defense that is not used because it's essentially a zone then i will. NBA coaches don't run them because they get run off the court in most cases. I just posted 5-6 wide open shots that didn't fall for the warriors. Praising a defense that happened to get lucky because 4 players all missed wide open shots is a pretty big reach.

No i'm not wasting my time on this. But here is the look. You use it to lock down a perimeter shooter, if that perimeter shooter is also your big scorer, you might go box and one to lock him down while crowding the paint. Your goal is no shots inside 10′ and contest out to 15′ but none of the other 4 are likely to be a legitimate threat at 20′. That is the problem! Almost every team in the NBA has players that hit shots from mid range. Contrast that to today’s basketball. Just about every NBA team can put 3 or 4 legitimate 3pt shooters on the floor. A good D1 college team can get 2 or 3 out there. And even a lot of good high school teams can field 2 or 3 good 3pt shooters. Players are much more proficient at hitting that shot now because there is an incentive to take it.
The NBA does not use it because of obvious reasons.

Bottom Line! Nurse got lucky the warriors missed wide open looks from three point.
Now as far as the mistake? Yes not fouling is on the coach. At least it always is when the Blazers play and should have fouled. Not sure why it would be any different for any other team?

 

[OneSport3]

Look if you really want me to go into a defense that is not used because it's essentially a zone then i will. NBA coaches don't run them because they get run off the court in most cases. I just posted 5-6 wide open shots that didn't fall for the warriors. Praising a defense that happened to get lucky because 4 players all missed wide open shots is a pretty big reach.

No i'm not wasting my time on this. But here is the look. You use it to lock down a perimeter shooter, if that perimeter shooter is also your big scorer, you might go box and one to lock him down while crowding the paint. Your goal is no shots inside 10′ and contest out to 15′ but none of the other 4 are likely to be a legitimate threat at 20′. That is the problem! Almost every team in the NBA has players that hit shots from mid range. Contrast that to today’s basketball. Just about every NBA team can put 3 or 4 legitimate 3pt shooters on the floor. A good D1 college team can get 2 or 3 out there. And even a lot of good high school teams can field 2 or 3 good 3pt shooters. Players are much more proficient at hitting that shot now because there is an incentive to take it.
The NBA does not use it because of obvious reasons.

Bottom Line! Nurse got lucky the warriors missed wide open looks from three point.
Now as far as the mistake? Yes not fouling is on the coach. At least it always is when the Blazers play and should have fouled. Not sure why it would be any different for any other team?

So you're telling me that when the Warriors blitzed and trapped Dame CONSTANTLY and left Aminu and Harkless to shoot wide open 3's, they were just lucky that those guys missed them for 4 games???

 

[OneSport3]

And then Stotts made an adjustment for games 2, 3, 4, We led big in each of the last 3 games. But in the end of each, the Warriors played exceptionally well defense. Hats off to them.

Tonight Toronto shot 37.2% from the field and 28.9% deep. That is what the Warriors do especially in the 2nd half of games.

It took an entire game for Stotts to realize that leaving Stephen Curry wide open for 3's was not a sound strategy??? At what point during Game 1 when Curry was raining 9 wide open 3's before it dawns on him that this might not work. The players on BOTH teams were shocked. Blazers players were questioning the strategy IN-GAME and he didn't change it

Toronto's shooting percentages proves my point exactly. They shot that poorly from the field yet they were in a one possession game. The defensive adjustment allowed them to cut a 12 point deficit to a 2 point deficit.

 

[kjironman1]

So you're telling me that when the Warriors blitzed and trapped Dame CONSTANTLY and left Aminu and Harkless to shoot wide open 3's, they were just lucky that those guys missed them for 4 games???

Go ahead and try a Box and 1 against the Blazers and see what happens. Doesn't sound like you understand the difference? Blitzing, Trapping and throwing doubles and triples is a totally different look. I suppose you want me to explain that to you also? You are gonna have to wait until tomorrow because i have to call it a night.
If you would like me to explain the difference tomorrow i would be more than willing. Just ask. Come on back and look for an answer after 6 am. Hope you have a good night.

 

[kjironman1]

It took an entire game for Stotts to realize that leaving Stephen Curry wide open for 3's was not a sound strategy??? At what point during Game 1 when Curry was raining 9 wide open 3's before it dawns on him that this might not work. The players on BOTH teams were shocked. Blazers players were questioning the strategy IN-GAME and he didn't change it

Toronto's shooting percentages proves my point exactly. They shot that poorly from the field yet they were in a one possession game. The defensive adjustment allowed them to cut a 12 point deficit to a 2 point deficit.

This is actually wrong also but again i don't have time to explain it to you this evening.
Look for some answers after 6 am. But first go look up the box and get your facts straight about game one of the series so you are up to date.

 

[OneSport3]

This is actually wrong also but again i don't have time to explain it to you this evening.
Look for some answers after 6 am. But first go look up the box and get your facts straight about game one of the series so you are up to date.

I'll be waiting eagerly after 6am for you to explain your delusional thoughts.

 

[wizenheimer]

are there several different arguments going on in this thread or is it just one? I can't tell

in other news, today was a glorious day in western Oregon and I chose to be outside till about dusk. Didn't see the game and have no regrets

 

[kjironman1]

I'll be waiting eagerly after 6am for you to explain your delusional thoughts.

Well i was actually willing to have this conversation but if you want to throw out insults then i will figure it would all be for a lost cause anyway.
Take care today.

 

[illmatic99]

Maybe it's years of bad defense that has conditioned me, but with 26 seconds left and down 2, I always want to foul. You play the FT game and extend it. Especially with timeouts left. Instead the Raps missed the steal and once Iggy got the shot, the game was over.

 

[BonesJones]

And then Stotts made an adjustment for games 2, 3, 4, We led big in each of the last 3 games. But in the end of each, the Warriors played exceptionally well defense. Hats off to them.

Tonight Toronto shot 37.2% from the field and 28.9% deep. That is what the Warriors do especially in the 2nd half of games.

Yeah, an obvious adjustment that:
1.) We were all calling for
2.) Shouldve came before game 1
3.) An adjustment the team wasnt ready for because that was the first time we ran that defense all year.

 

[trailblazer18]

Go ahead and try a Box and 1 against the Blazers and see what happens. Doesn't sound like you understand the difference? Blitzing, Trapping and throwing doubles and triples is a totally different look. I suppose you want me to explain that to you also? You are gonna have to wait until tomorrow because i have to call it a night.
If you would like me to explain the difference tomorrow i would be more than willing. Just ask. Come on back and look for an answer after 6 am. Hope you have a good night.

You are spot on. This morning on Golic and Wingo, Bruce Bowen said the NBA is too good to be running junk defenses (what he was calling that Box and 1). He shared a story from his playing days that they went out against the Knicks and Ewing and started the game pressing and Ewing looked at him and laughed. Bowen's point was these guys have too much talent to run gimmicks against. Toronto got lucky the Warriors weren't taking what the defense gave them and missed quite a few wide open shots, it wasn't the brilliance of the defense - although in my mind, good on Nurse for taking a shot and making it close in the end.