Politics The OFFICIAL Biden vs Trump Debate #1 Thread

[THE HCP]

I don't know that's true. Kamala is not a popular vice president.

Who should Democrats hope steps up? Who is the next best candidate? I don’t think the man we saw up these debating tonight can beat Trump and I swore I’d never say that…. This is scary.
Basically they need Biden to step down?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Well, godspeed. We live in a two party system that sends our tax money to other countries while our people at home OD in the streets and blow their heads off by the hundreds of thousands.

Keep fighting that good fight though. I’m sure once Trump is out of office these problems will clear right up.

The money we send overseas isn't preventing us from helping our people.

We have more than enough money we're wasting on for profit healthcare and other scams thatwe could be logically spending to help these people.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

My conspiracy theory is that they gave him bad drugs to look horrible so they could replace him because he was going to lose.

We know Biden is religious about his drugs before a debate. There's no way this was his usual cocktail.

Gavin Newsome is the guy I said would be the nominee 6 months ago.

 

[Chris Craig]

Who should Democrats hope steps up? Who is the next best candidate? I don’t think the man we saw up these debating tonight can beat Trump and I swore I’d never say that…. This is scary.
Basically they need Biden to step down?

Gavin Newsome or Michelle Obama. Gretchen Whitmere is another name thrown out.

 

[crandc]

So what’s next? Is a current president always the next candidate automatically? The democrats need a different option after what I saw tonight.

Not automatic but usual.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I didn't watch it but I seriously doubt Biden would have disappointed me. My expectations of him are so low.

I think Democrats have been hoping he would just die. Or maybe get elected first and then die.

It has felt like a mistake basing the nation's hopes on this guy for a long time. That said, the Democrats don't appear to be immediate threats to democracy. Biden had a far superior cabinet than Trump.

I have no faith in either Biden or Trump to do the right thing. I think Trump will try to f*** us every way he possibly can. And he'll have a cabinet that will help him do it.

I'm going to vote Biden because of his cabinet, and because I just don't think he is as evil as Trump. And obviously the state of the union is much better under Biden than it was under Trump.

But we need to do a better job. We need real candidates for the next presidential election.

 

[crandc]

CNN allowed Trump to become moderator. Not only not calling out clear obvious lies, but letting him give stump speech rather than answer questions. You can't have nice things because ___ is taking everything. In Germany it was Jews. Reagan and others blamed Black "welfare queens". For Trump it's illegal immigrants getting social security even though they don't and living in luxury hotels. Lies and hate are all he has.
And every headline is Democrats panic.
Funny how Republicans never panic. They know their candidate is liar, cheat, convicted felon and that's what they want.

 

[crandc]

I love cats. They never lie.

 

[Galakelife]

Yeah, it was a shit show, but eventually the left will say fuck it, he's old, and vote for him. Better than voting for Trump. It's momentary panic.

Joe could decide to step aside, but I doubt it.

the left was already going to vote for Joe. what the debate did was possibly shift the middle undecided voters away from Biden. The left might not still vote for Trump, but Biden did not help himself gain in undecided voters last night. It all comes down to7 swing state votes.

 

[PCmor7]

All misleading and misrepresented metrics. Newsom is such a greasy snake.
What is “unfounded” about the panic people are feeling? Seems very founded to me when their candidate can’t form sentences. Let the gaslighting begin.

I'll put it in a simpler way for you then.

The guy that "can't form sentences" still showed a far better grasp of the things a president needs to be able to do than Trump. What does that say for Donald Trump? He looked better losing to a guy who you said is too cognitively impaired to be president, but Trump still lost on policy, demeanor and grasp of the issues, just as he lost on the metric of what each accomplished in their terms in the office.

Trump lost to the guy you say shouldn't be president, ergo Trump is completely unable to be president, either.

 

[oldfisherman]

We need, the country needs, the world needs, the honest, balanced, levelheaded leadership skills of Amy Klobuchar.

 

[PCmor7]

As has been pointed out, one guy shouldn't be president but the other CANNOT be president. Biden isn't running against Theodore Roosevelt or Dwight Eisenhower or even George W. Bush. He's running against a pathologically-lying, incompetent narcissist who accomplished nothing in his term as president, incited a riot to try to stop the peaceful transition of power, failed in the worst way possible during COVID and has promised to suspend the mechanisms that have governed our country for 250 years should he regain office.

This isn't rocket science.

People literally are more upset over Biden looking old than his opponent lying every time he spoke and appearing to be living in a completely different reality. Trump post on substance to a guy who Trump supporters say can't form a sentence. Let that sink in. Trump debated a guy who looked terrible and still lost on a discussion of the issues. All he showed was the ability to be an energetic liar.

 

[crandc]

After a night's insomnia (my bathroom is clean, what I do when can't sleep) two conclusions.
Biden has been considered down for the count before and come back. It's a missed opportunity. Not a mass tragedy.
Biden is first and last an institutionalist. If he steps aside it will only be for Vice president Harris as outlined in the constitution. Newsom, Whitmer, possibly Klobuchar but not Michelle Obama could run in 2028 but there will be no infighting this year.
I admit to being a bit intrigued by Harris she would certainly unite Democratic base. And Trump gets unglued by powerful women, especially women of color. But unfortunately even now there is a significant minority who will not vote for a woman. Fucked but true.

 

[PCmor7]

Since this is a Blazers forum, I'm going to put this into a Blazers analogy.

Andre Miller was a productive point guard who accomplished a lot but didn't necessarily look good doing it. He got replaced by Raymond Felton who had a more orthodox style but had a variety of more substantive issues that made his performance measurably below that of Miller.

Biden is Andre Miller and Trump is Raymond Felton. But people are advocating not playing Miller over Felton because Damian Lillard is better.

 

[julius]

It does work that way though, this isn’t a school essay. If you want to know something, go find it. If you want to prove it wrong, YOU prove it wrong. You aren’t the teacher grading papers. It always amazes me when people on here demand you go dig up sources and lay them at their feet while their only contribution to the argument is to lazily sit there and say “nuh uh”

If you make the claim (you in the universal sense), the honus is in you to prove it.

That's not just a writing thing.

 

[beast blazer]

Trump's polling numbers were falling until the democreeps started the judicial persecution. Then they run the Tales from the Crypt guy against him. They handed him a 2nd term on a silver platter.

 

[PCmor7]

Trump's polling numbers were falling until the democreeps started the judicial persecution. Then they run the Tales from the Crypt guy against him. They handed him a 2nd term on a silver platter.

Oh, come on. Trump being convicted for breaking the law is because Trump broke the law, not because of politics.

If we're going to suspend the rule of law, it can't just be for who we want as our presidential candidate.

 

[beast blazer]

Oh, come on. Trump being convicted for breaking the law is because Trump broke the law, not because of politics.

If we're going to suspend the rule of law, it can't just be for who we want as our presidential candidate.

Nope. We've been over all those cases before. They are all BS cases for multiple reasons. Manfactured "crimes" which would have never been brought if not for the political motivation.

I'm just observing things as a third party. Democrats keep talking about "threats to democracy" and miss the threats right in front of their faces. The Anti-Maga movement is a much bigger issue than MAGA.

 

[Strenuus]

These debates aren't going to change anything. People were already decided. It's all fear mongering.

 

[riverman]

I'm used to voting against the candidates but Joe made that even more painful last night unfortunately

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I don't get the panic. I saw two old men last night. One brought substance, the other spent the entire debate playing "I know you are but what am I". Shitty through the choices may be, I'll take a doddering, yet still lucid old geezer over a doddering, narcissistic moron.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Looks like Barfo has given up.

 

[Phatguysrule]

the left was already going to vote for Joe. what the debate did was possibly shift the middle undecided voters away from Biden. The left might not still vote for Trump, but Biden did not help himself gain in undecided voters last night. It all comes down to7 swing state votes.

Unfortunately this is the situation the DNC has put us in since they *were purchased by Hillary* and screwed Bernie.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't get the panic. I saw two old men last night. One brought substance, the other spent the entire debate playing "I know you are but what am I". Shitty through the choices may be, I'll take a doddering, yet still lucid old geezer over a doddering, narcissistic moron.

Most people don't vote for their interpretation of the best policies in american politics. Study after study has shown that. The DNC backing the worst candidate for the people that they think could win keeps putting us in really bad situations.

 

[Hoopguru]

Unfoturtunately this is the situation the DNC has put us in since they screwed Bernie.

Bingo

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[beast blazer]

RFK is right

 

[beast blazer]

I'm used to voting against the candidates but Joe made that even more painful last night unfortunately

Hmm...if only there were a 3rd choice?

 

[crandc]

Early results, few people say they are changing their vote after debate, of those who are, it's split pretty evenly in both directions.

Let's not act like Trump was brilliant. Focus groups show independents moving away and Hispanic voters big time moving away from Trump after debate.

 

[TBpup]

If I didn't think the media/press secretary/staff, etc had been lying about Biden's ability to be president and both physically and mentally before, it was painfully obvious last night. And now the media who has covered for him for years, finally realizes they can't pull the wool over people's eyes any more and in large part are saying he needs to step down and what are the options for another candidate.

This did not just happen last night. It has been the case for quite some time but anyone who questioned his ability was 'against democracy' or a conspiracist repeating 'cheap fakes' when anyone with the most casual of realistic observational abilities has seen this for year. Much of the media has been lying and mispresenting this for year in a bold face attempt to deceive views and the American people as a whole.

I'm not a fan of either candidate, but in full disclosure from a policy standpoint, tend to go with conservative policies more often, but certainly not in lock step. But the way the media and white house have lied about his condition and attacked anyone that dared to even question Biden's condition has to be seriously brought into question when being able to trust anything they say again.