The OFFICIAL "Chauncey Billups is Fired Up" thread

[barfo]

Chauncey "Elephant In The Room" Billups

Arnold "Elephant In The Bedroom" Palmer

 

[jlprk]

I FOUND A WINNING, VERY EXPERIENCED COACH WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK HERE!!!

I can't believe I did it. Wow, I'm surprised at my success. You guys can thank me with donations. Skip the flowers, just a waste of money.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't know, that's the GM's job. I liked Stotts, didn't want to get rid of him. I personally don't mind Billups either but it's clear that change is needed.

Not mid season. This is a throw away season anyway and everyone knew this start of training camp. All the vets are good as gone and most likely coach too. Let this just continue on and next season is the fresh start with Flagg as our starting PF/SF

 

[jlprk]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/mcmilna01c.html

.553 (494/893) not Blazers
.497 (266/535) Blazers
.532 (760/1428) career total

He's a winner. Even including the toughest Blazer years, he was only 2 wins short of a winning Blazer record. With all other teams, he was .553.

As you see in the link, it's rare that he's available (i.e. not already employed as a head coach).

When I first thought of him today, I thought, "He's in his mid-60s, unemployed and resting the last few years, unmotivated to resume work." Am I glad I was wrong! In my posts, you see me knocking down my own objections and becoming a believer. It's usually impossible to find a guy this good who will come to our lowly team and city! But I think he would!

 

[THE HCP]

Somebody with a great record of developing players. There are plenty of people out there. Plenty of guys overseas, as well. I'd be alright with Stotts, frankly.

But anybody who is a proven talent developer that you can get. An overall, perhaps as head coach, perhaps let a different guy be the head coach. Then the best developmental PG person, wing person, and post person. Pay them whatever it takes to get them and the ideal staff to support them. Do whatever it takes to help them develop players. Structure games as developmental opportunities, rather than opportunities for wins.

Anybody who has those qualities JUST started their own season.

 

[THE HCP]

Bottom line: We need new owners asap.

But this sounds like the people who were all for firing Stotts….. what’s new ownership going to do? You can guess and hope, but you have no clue FAMS!

 

[THE HCP]

First it was lousy hire he shouldn't been the coach if you was going to tear down roster. Plus you can't every year trying to high draft pick because loosing is contagious. Look at Detroit and the nets and others there always in the lottery last 5 plus years. This game was the first really bad game of year that's actually happened to every team here and there. But I believe they got some good young players but right now they got to many individuals players. You might keep billups until the end of season and get rid those players that not going to play with team instead against the team.

You still selling cars bro?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Anybody who has those qualities JUST started their own season.

Disagree. They are out there and available, we just need to find them.

 

[jlprk]

New thought: Get him right now, midseason, while we have no competition! He may get an offer from a better team when the season ends!

 

[Phatguysrule]

But this sounds like the people who were all for firing Stotts….. what’s new ownership going to do? You can guess and hope, but you have no clue FAMS!

Need Phil Knight, IMO. He only offered $2 billion, though. Needs to up it to $4 bils.

 

[BIG Q]

That's why I want Billups gone right now. They could even bring in a guy who wouldn't make a good head coach but could teach these guys how to play right. Work with some drills that might not help them win right now but would get them to rotate quickly on defense, and have some kind of rudimentary offensive plan at least, Work with the young guys on fundamentals and skill development either individually or in groups of two or three,

I agree, but it is pointless if Ant/Grant are still on the roster. It is obvious they do not want to be in Portland, and I seriously doubt many want them in Portland. Portland will not be able to get a decent, reputable coach. They need to get lucky, find the teacher you speak of, but is willing to take the job on. We are talking finding lightning in a bottle. Just spit balling, but maybe Jody can throw a ton of money at the UCONN coach and also give him say in the GM part also. Co-GM if you will. This is only possible if he thinks enough of Clingan and the money is simply too much to say no to. I don't know if he values Clingan to that level. Additionally, Pop is probably done soon and that franchise will be far more attractive and worth staying unburdened for.

 

[jlprk]

Need Phil Knight, IMO. He only offered $2 billion, though. Needs to up it to $4 bils.

God, I'm tired of people on this board falling for the "Phil Knight offer." For many years, Knight has turned down requests from some fans to buy the team. Paul Allen wasn't selling, and Knight lacked the interest anyway.
After Paul died, a younger Californian proposed to buy the Blazers. His marketing gimmick was to make Phil Knight, now almost 87, his frontman. He knows that Knight will die and then he can move the team.

Phil Knight offered to inject some money. He didn't offer to buy the team outright. He allowed his name to be used by a proposed majority owner who will move the team.

 

[Dozer]

I listened to the radio and Chauncey was indeed fired up. He called the team losers if anyone slept well last night! Yikes!

 

[Strenuus]

Who takes over then for Chauncey that will develop this young talent?
This was the point during Stotts tenure where people kept typing, “Anybody is better.”

Which is still true. Anybody IS better.

That was coach and GM. Now it's organizational. Billups sucks but still glad we are rebuilding and WITHOUT Stotts. It should be the only two wins we had this year. Cause Billups is gooooone.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I agree, but it is pointless if Ant/Grant are still on the roster. It is obvious they do not want to be in Portland, and I seriously doubt many want them in Portland. Portland will not be able to get a decent, reputable coach. They need to get lucky, find the teacher you speak of, but is willing to take the job on. We are talking finding lightning in a bottle. Just spit balling, but maybe Jody can throw a ton of money at the UCONN coach and also give him say in the GM part also. Co-GM if you will. This is only possible if he thinks enough of Clingan and the money is simply too much to say no to. I don't know if he values Clingan to that level. Additionally, Pop is probably done soon and that franchise will be far more attractive and worth staying unburdened for.

I was actually just thinking of a guy for the rest of the season, a development specialist, wouldn't even have to be the acting head coach.

 

[Phatguysrule]

God, I'm tired of people on this board falling for the "Phil Knight offer." For many years, Knight has turned down requests from some fans to buy the team. Paul Allen wasn't selling, and Knight lacked the interest anyway.
After Paul died, a younger Californian proposed to buy the Blazers. His marketing gimmick was to make Phil Knight, now almost 87, his frontman. He knows that Knight will die and then he can move the team.

Phil Knight offered to inject some money. He didn't offer to buy the team outright. He allowed his name to be used by a proposed majority owner who will move the team.

Part of the deal was that there would be a succession plan for the Knight family to keep a stake and the team would be kept in Portland.

 

[GoZers]

Not mid season. This is a throw away season anyway and everyone knew this start of training camp. All the vets are good as gone and most likely coach too. Let this just continue on and next season is the fresh start with Flagg as our starting PF/SF

That’s wasting like 7 months for the young guys. If there isn’t an assistant on staff who is a development type coach who commands respect and is willing to lose in order to play the right way and demand effort, fine someone from the outside to step in.

 

[THE HCP]

Disagree. They are out there and available, we just need to find them.

And until THEN?
Hold on, you just typed they are out there, but you don’t know where?

 

[THE HCP]

Which is still true. Anybody IS better.

That was coach and GM. Now it's organizational. Billups sucks but still glad we are rebuilding and WITHOUT Stotts. It should be the only two wins we had this year. Cause Billups is gooooone.

Hold on you are still standing by that ANY coach is better than STOTTS?!?

 

[THE HCP]

That’s wasting like 7 months for the young guys. If there isn’t an assistant on staff who is a development type coach who commands respect and is willing to lose in order to play the right way and demand effort, fine someone from the outside to step in.

If they are dialed enough to lead our team to that next level, why aren’t they ALREADY employed?

 

[Phatguysrule]

And until THEN?
Hold on, you just typed they are out there, but you don’t know where?

They are everywhere. I know multiple that I'd feel very confident would do better. Find one who can do the job and give him a shot. If you don't like that one move on to the next one.

I would definitely look for someone who has coached or played for an extended time in other countries.

*Edit* We probably have someone on staff who could do better...

 

[GoZers]

If they are dialed enough to lead our team to that next level, why aren’t they ALREADY employed?

There are guys taking a year off, in between jobs, G League guys who WILL be HCs eventually who would love a shot. Even a guy like Jim Moran (already with Sac), would come in and do better than this.

 

[jlprk]

They are everywhere. I know multiple that I'd feel very confident would do better. Find one who can do the job and give him a shot. If you don't like that one move on to the next one.

Phats, I hope you realize that HCP's purpose in being here is to defend his friends. Near the end of McMillan's tenure, he defended Nate the same way he later defended Stotts.

There are a few posters here who always defend the status quo by challenging us amateurs to do a nationwide search, then name names of replacements. They want no change, ever.

But now that I advocate for his friend McMillan to replace Billups, I think I have stymied HCP. My lifelong quest.

 

[Strenuus]

Hold on you are still standing by that ANY coach is better than STOTTS?!?

Yes. I told you 5 years ago I'm merely saying this no matter what. Did you forget? I have to uphold this!

 

[Phatguysrule]

Phats, I hope you realize that HCP's purpose in being here is to defend his friends. Near the end of McMillan's tenure, he defended Nate the same way he later defended Stotts.

There are a few posters here who always defend the status quo by challenging us amateurs to do a nationwide search, then name names of replacements. They want no change, ever.

But now that I advocate for his friend McMillan to replace Billups, I think I have stymied HCP. My lifelong quest.

Love it!

 

[wizenheimer]

But now that I advocate for his friend McMillan to replace Billups, I think I have stymied HCP. My lifelong quest.

it's ok to stymie HCP, it's good exercise for him

but please don't stunt his growth; he can't afford to get shorter

 

[THE HCP]

Phats, I hope you realize that HCP's purpose in being here is to defend his friends. Near the end of McMillan's tenure, he defended Nate the same way he later defended Stotts.

There are a few posters here who always defend the status quo by challenging us amateurs to do a nationwide search, then name names of replacements. They want no change, ever.

But now that I advocate for his friend McMillan to replace Billups, I think I have stymied HCP. My lifelong quest.

It’s THE HCP!

 

[riverman]

It’s THE THC!

fixed

 

[jlprk]

It’s THE HCP!

Every time I see that, I think of THC, which is to marijuana as nicotine is to tobacco. If I start adding "The" I'll soon abbreviate your name to THC. So I don't. I'll just call you "Upper" and you can call me "Downer," but don't call me late for supper...I could type lines of stream-of-consciousness but I'll stop...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

But this sounds like the people who were all for firing Stotts….. what’s new ownership going to do? You can guess and hope, but you have no clue FAMS!

New ownership could do a lot of very beneficial things some of which are;

1 Stop micromanage the GM and stop allowing Bert Kolde/Vulcan to make decisions

2 Stop prioritize cash savings that provide zero roster talent (selling multiple draft picks, dumping players like Brogdon Hart Powell to cut luxury tax, dumping salary in another half dozen trades, not using the MLE or TPE)

3 Stop giving out horrible contracts to mediocre veterans that lead to problem #2

4 Pay luxury tax in a few seasons where its helps the team. It doesn't need to be Steve Balmer or 2000's Paul Allen SPAM spending, but just more than being one of the cheapest franchises in the league in recent years

5 Provide a tiny bit of a public appearance - Paul Allen did an annual training camp interview for the Blazers, other NBA ownership groups give communications to fans, the Blazers do and say nothing

6 Hire and empower a GM that has ONE long term strategic vision and works over multiple seasons to execute this. A selection should have started for this position the day Olshey was fired, instead the Blazers handed the keys to the cheapest interim GM available. Then when trading Dame the Blazers should have committed 100% to a long term rebuild - instead we acquired or held onto expensive veterans.