THE "OFFICIAL" February 21, 2013 Trade Deadline Thread...

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magnifier661 said:
Terrible trade for both teams. Celtics are thin at big. Why trade big for small? Clippers have plenty of bigs and Paul and billups are questions on health.
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Danny probably feels they are going nowhere, no sense in having KG's salary on the books for two more after this. Don't see that they have a real need for Bledsoe, with Bradley and Rondo, but a lot of other teams are interested, so they could probably turn around and flip him in the offseason for good assets.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Clippers want KG. The Los Angeles Clippers have contacted the Boston Celtics about a potential trade surrounding Kevin Garnett, according to sources.

The two teams were talking ahead of Sunday's game against each other.

The Clippers' offer could include Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler.
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Who speaks for them? Did they replace Olshey?
 
magnifier661 said:
Terrible trade for both teams. Celtics are thin at big. Why trade big for small? Clippers have plenty of bigs and Paul and billups are questions on health.
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Clippers have a lot of bigs but they really aren't that great offensively. That's where KG would help.
 
Al Jefferson is a big time player but not much different than Hickson. If you want to trade Hickson for Jefferson (or not sign Hickson/Sign Jefferson) the team would be somewhat better but having both of them doesn't make sense.
I think our biggest problem is we play with 2 power-forwards, it's especially evident in the area of interior defense, where - like Aldridge said - we don't have a center that protects the rim, like we had in Camby, for example. I don't think Jefferson solves this problem. Maybe Leonard could become that player.

Shooting guard is also a weak position. Mathewss is already a good rotation player, Barton would be a good rotation player but none of them are clear-cut starters for a contender. I think maybe Elliot Williams could be that player if he's ever healthy.

Backup PG. Ronnie Price is OK and Nolan Smith had a great game against the Jazz. Still, they make our backup position less than average. Lillard should get heavy minutes anyway, but it would be nice to have a player we can trust as his backup, also maybe see them play together like Lillard and Smith against the Jazz. Coby Karl really impressed me in preseason but for some reason never got a chance for us or any other team this season. Another answer to this problem that I don't think we ever tried is to use Barton as backup 1. I also still think letting Armon Johnson go was a mistake.
 
Chatter out this morning that PEK might be available as Minny may not want to pay him what he might go for (over 11 mil). They want a wing that can shoot, would you guys trade Wes for Pek and his RFA rights?
 
Blazinaway said:
Chatter out this morning that PEK might be available as Minny may not want to pay him what he might go for (over 11 mil). They want a wing that can shoot, would you guys trade Wes for Pek and his RFA rights?
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That just closes one hole while opening another - if you do that then we have no SG. And there are more quality Cs in the league than there are quality SGs. So I guess I'd have to say no. Especially since it sounds like Pek isn't much of a defender.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Al Jefferson is a big time player but not much different than Hickson. If you want to trade Hickson for Jefferson (or not sign Hickson/Sign Jefferson) the team would be somewhat better but having both of them doesn't make sense.
I think our biggest problem is we play with 2 power-forwards, it's especially evident in the area of interior defense, where - like Aldridge said - we don't have a center that protects the rim, like we had in Camby, for example. I don't think Jefferson solves this problem. Maybe Leonard could become that player.

Shooting guard is also a weak position. Mathewss is already a good rotation player, Barton would be a good rotation player but none of them are clear-cut starters for a contender. I think maybe Elliot Williams could be that player if he's ever healthy.

Backup PG. Ronnie Price is OK and Nolan Smith had a great game against the Jazz. Still, they make our backup position less than average. Lillard should get heavy minutes anyway, but it would be nice to have a player we can trust as his backup, also maybe see them play together like Lillard and Smith against the Jazz. Coby Karl really impressed me in preseason but for some reason never got a chance for us or any other team this season. Another answer to this problem that I don't think we ever tried is to use Barton as backup 1. I also still think letting Armon Johnson go was a mistake.
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I agree Jefferson does not solve the problem and I would really like to see Karl on the team next year if possible.
 
I see no reason why we can't pry either Kanter or Favors away from the Jazz. Something has got to give with that gluttony of bigs. I think either of those guys could be future All-Stars.
 
MickZagger said:
I see no reason why we can't pry either Kanter or Favors away from the Jazz. Something has got to give with that gluttony of bigs. I think either of those guys could be future All-Stars.
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with what?
 
Kings are on the brink of upsetting the Jazz in SLC right now.
 
MickZagger said:
I see no reason why we can't pry either Kanter or Favors away from the Jazz. Something has got to give with that gluttony of bigs. I think either of those guys could be future All-Stars.
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I like Kanter's potential. He's built like Pek already but much more mobile.

Doubt the Jazz would trade him to a rival.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I like Kanter's potential. He's built like Pek already but much more mobile.

Doubt the Jazz would trade him to a rival.
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The smart thing to do if you're the Jazz is have those two as your PF/C of the future and look at unloading Millsap/Jefferson in the offseason. I think the former two will be better than the latter.
 
MickZagger said:
The smart thing to do if you're the Jazz is have those two as your PF/C of the future and look at unloading Millsap/Jefferson in the offseason. I think the former two will be better than the latter.
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So then, you do see a reason why we wouldn't be able to pry either of them away--because a forward-looking franchise wouldn't be interested in giving up either of them.
 
MickZagger said:
The smart thing to do if you're the Jazz is have those two as your PF/C of the future and look at unloading Millsap/Jefferson in the offseason. I think the former two will be better than the latter.
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Isn't this exactly what everyone has said the Jazz are looking to do? I don't know why anyone would think Kanter/Favors would be available when it's been widely reported on that they're looking to get rid of both Millsap and Jefferson.
 
Kevin O'Connor isn't going to give up on Favors or Kanter in favor of Al Jefferson or Paul Millsap.
 
I do think the Jazz keep one of Al Jeff or Millsap (most likely Millsap). While Favors is ready for a bigger role Kanter really isn't. A nice 3 man rotation would go a long way towards continuing to be a playoff team.
 
Tonight Dalembert had the best stats per minute in the league this season, according to ESPN efficiency. He was 2.42 (65.3 efficiency points/27 minutes). I have watched this page for years and I think it's the highest ratio in the history of this ESPN page.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailyleaders/_/date/20130205

Pierce is the only one this season over 2 with a stupendous 2.19 (74.3/34) game. Varejao is next at 1.93. Everyone else is below 1.8.

http://espn.go.com/nba/gameleaders
 
I'm telling you dalembert would be an awesome pick up for cheap for us. He is exactly the type of player we need to play center while Leonard develops. If we don't go this route then we need to look in trading Leonard more than hickson. I think leonard would bring a different type of value in a trade. Could be used to trade for a draft pick or with a player to get a good starter.
 
I am down with Dalembert on a two year rental. 3rd year team option. I just wonder if that would interest him. He obviously would like longer and he may hold out for the top bidder (money-wise).
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I am down with Dalembert on a two year rental. 3rd year team option. I just wonder if that would interest him. He obviously would like longer and he may hold out for the top bidder (money-wise).
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I just don't see him getting big money though. With the big man tax, I think he would be lucky to get 6-8 million per. His age and minutes able to play is a huge ding on his value. But, averaging around 15-20 minutes per game, 6-8 million is a bit steep, but I think it's worth it for the rental.

I've posted this before but I will post it again. You can use Leonard, plus e will and Jefferson for dalembert now and have his bird rights. We retain both dalembert and hickson, which leaves us around 7 million to offer a free agent. Then after obtaining the free agent, we can sign hickson and dalembert and be over cap. Then we have min mle of around 2 million to find another bench player.
 
magnifier661 said:
I just don't see him getting big money though. With the big man tax, I think he would be lucky to get 6-8 million per. His age and minutes able to play is a huge ding on his value. But, averaging around 15-20 minutes per game, 6-8 million is a bit steep, but I think it's worth it for the rental.

I've posted this before but I will post it again. You can use Leonard, plus e will and Jefferson for dalembert now and have his bird rights. We retain both dalembert and hickson, which leaves us around 7 million to offer a free agent. Then after obtaining the free agent, we can sign hickson and dalembert and be over cap. Then we have min mle of around 2 million to find another bench player.
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Trading leonard and other pieces for an expiring contract just makes me sick.

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Rhal said:
Trading leonard and other pieces for an expiring contract just makes me sick.

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+1. Not trading a rookie C for Dalembert's bird rights.
 
Also, am pretty sure the cap holds of Hickson and Dalembert would eliminat emost our space.
 
We just need to say "screw trades" and wait until FA. If we can find a team interested in Hickson and they have an intriguing piece then yea pull the trigger but no team is going to give us anything for our rookie/terrible vet bench. What really has me wondering next year is our Lottery pick, if we don't get it then nothing changes but I wonder if that pick would allow for some big lopsided trade like lets say the suns dont' get ride of Gortat then our pick most likely 10/11 for him.
 
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