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NBA's response to complaint is due Dec. 5, according to Boies.
 
PapaG said:
I ask this again. Is Boies talking about settlement talks with the players in the lawsuit, or in terms of a new CBA?

Seems like he can only be talking about settlement talks for the civil case, right?
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I believe you are correct.
 
Sheridan


Boies is wrapping. Not one ounce of conciliatory talk. Lawyerly rhetorical posturing at its best. (Boise charges $1,225 per hour, FWIW).
 
darrenrovell


My guess on next time the NBA owners & players will talk settlement? Around Dec 15 = last week to save half season.
 
HCP said:
Challenged on why he hasn't called NBA, Boies bristled and said NBA statement shows why it's a "waste of time" to make a phonecall.
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My god. It's like arguing with a teenage girl. No offense to teenage girls intended.
 
Aldridge


Union/TA atty says this is "simple" antitrust suit. "It's not going to take years. It's going to take months, if not weeks."
 
SportsLawGuy


NBA Player argument is clear: this is not a complicated antitrust suit because a lockout w/o a CBA=group boycott=antitrust violation.
 
mccannsportslaw


NBA players' attorneys seem to think Judge Schiltz will give a hearing not long after Dec. 5 (when NBA's answer is due). But he could say players are not seeking injunctive relief, so no rush relative to other cases on his docket.
 
HCP said:
I believe you are correct.
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Why would the NBA owners want to settle this case? Boies won almost the same case for the NFL owners just last summer!

NBA = National Bonehead Association, given the idiocy of their players.
 
SportsLawGuy


There's a man in MN who might come in handy for mediating NBA/Player talks: Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan, who helped broker NFL deal.
 
PapaG said:
Why would the NBA owners want to settle this case? Boies won almost the same case for the NFL owners just last summer!

NBA = National Bonehead Association, given the idiocy of their players.
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It's amazing to me that this guy can try and play both sides! Owners and now players! No credibility!
 
Why would the players want to win this case as well? Say they get $2 billion, with $6 billion being the trebled judgement. Upon appeal, that judgement would be knocked down, if history is any indicator.

It would basically destroy the NBA as a league.
 
HCP said:
Sheridan


Boies is wrapping. Not one ounce of conciliatory talk. Lawyerly rhetorical posturing at its best. (Boise charges $1,225 per hour, FWIW).
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So he'll want to have more and more hours under his belt.

Greed is killing this league. and not just the players greed.
 
mcten Dave McMenamin
Was told by a source NBA player's licensing profits were withheld by NBPA to pay for lockout legal fees
 
PapaG said:
Why would the players want to win this case as well? Say they get $2 billion, with $6 billion being the trebled judgement. Upon appeal, that judgement would be knocked down, if history is any indicator.

It would basically destroy the NBA as a league.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole thing, but I thought the treble thing was over the LIFE of the potential CBA, is it just over one year?

If it's over the life of it, they're asking for 6+ billion per year of it, right?

If it's not, they're asking for what you said (which might be what it is). The funny thing is, they are dumb if they think winning the case, or even having to settle the case, will get them what they want. If anything, it would (and imho, should) lower the amount of money they get and the size of the contracts they receive. It means the Owners would have even less money to deal with.

If you sue me for 6 billion, and I end up being forced to pay you 3 billion, that's 3 billion less that I have and you'll get even less then you would before you sued me. The owners are richer then the players, but they're not THAT generous. The players are that stupid apparently though.
 
julius said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole thing, but I thought the treble thing was over the LIFE of the potential CBA, is it just over one year?

If it's over the life of it, they're asking for 6+ billion per year of it, right?

If it's not, they're asking for what you said (which might be what it is). The funny thing is, they are dumb if they think winning the case, or even having to settle the case, will get them what they want. If anything, it would (and imho, should) lower the amount of money they get and the size of the contracts they receive. It means the Owners would have even less money to deal with.

If you sue me for 6 billion, and I end up being forced to pay you 3 billion, that's 3 billion less that I have and you'll get even less then you would before you sued me. The owners are richer then the players, but they're not THAT generous. The players are that stupid apparently though.
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I also wonder who any financial judgement would be awarded. Would the 10 or so players in the lawsuit get all of the money? Would they divvy it up with other union members? If that's the case, wouldn't it be considered extra income, and would be taxed at an almost 50% rate by the time the federal, state, and local taxes were taken out of it.

Also, I think it's $3 billion over the CBA that they're fighting for in this lawsuit. Not total profits, but rather a percentage of money lost during the course of the CBA.

It's all a ploy, anyhow, and Boies talking about a settlement is laughable. That's just not going to happen.
 
How sweet would it be if Bassy walked away with all the money!!!
 
pinwheelempire Pinwheel Empire
Via @mcten nbpa withholding player license fees to pay for Boies' $1,225 per hour lawyer fees. #nbalockout
 
KBergCBS Ken Berger
It's three weeks into the supposed NBA season. Antitrust lawsuits outnumber game box scores in my computer bag 3-0.
 
"I might call the league. But we JUST filed suit. You're supposed to wait three days." #thisisnotdating #fortheloveofGod #whyiseveryonedumb
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-HPbasketball Hardwood Paroxysm
 
Mills changes teams from Australia to China, so for the thousandth time we hear...

BBert said:
So much for the NBA 'monopoly' on players' opportunities to make a living playing basketball. Good luck with that anti-trust lawsuit.
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You guys have been told by Ed O that U.S. anti-trust law only takes into account job opportunities within the U.S. Yet you continue to spew the same ignorant personal opinions over and over, thinking that little loudmouth you will overturn long-settled law.

This isn't some game in an arena in which the side which wins is the side which most stupidly yells the loudest. All this dumb hick yahooing won't change the outcome.
 
jlprk said:
Mills changes teams from Australia to China, so for the thousandth time we hear...

You guys have been told by Ed O that U.S. anti-trust law only takes into account job opportunities within the U.S. Yet you continue to spew the same ignorant personal opinions over and over, thinking that little loudmouth you will overturn long-settled law.

This isn't some game in an arena in which the side which wins is the side which most stupidly yells the loudest. All this dumb hick yahooing won't change the outcome.
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No one is stopping them from working in the US, there just aren't any other basketball jobs available.
 
PapaG said:
Fans buying shares in a team means nothing when discussing the lockout. I think we may agree on at least one thing.
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Since you're new to message boards, you should be informed that you should always try to read the context leading up to a post before declaring it meaningless. Read posts 2553 to 2558.
 
PapaG said:
I still can't get over Boies being paid handsomely by NFL owners to try and overturn the same basic Sherman case he won last summer.
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We know, we know. You've snarked about it in a dozen posts in the last 4 days. I just read 5 days of posts, and believe me, I know, I know.

Hiring a lawyer who knows the other side is standard practice in this country, Mikhail.
 
jlprk said:
. All this dumb hick yahooing won't change the outcome.
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I'm glad you've finally learned what self-awareness is, jlprk.

I guess I'm supposed to feel honored that you picked out my posts to comment on while reading hundreds of posts today?
 
jlprk said:
We know, Zbigniew. We know.
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Wow, what a shock. Probably time to just PM me, eh Gramps, and save everybody else your hi-jacking of this thread?

You see, to do that, you just click on my name, and then click on "Private Message". I assume you don't know how, since most of your posts are to me these days, yet are in the public forum. ;)
 
julius said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole thing, but I thought the treble thing was over the LIFE of the potential CBA, is it just over one year?

If it's over the life of it, they're asking for 6+ billion per year of it, right?
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Oh my God, the treble damages would be only for the players' lost salaries until they start being paid again. Obviously, what you're saying would be akin to the U.S. paying the Indians for 200 years GNP of a stolen continent.

PapaG said:
I also wonder who any financial judgement would be awarded. Would the 10 or so players in the lawsuit get all of the money? Would they divvy it up with other union members?
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Oh God, listening to all these idiots has driven me to religion. This is a nuthouse. Yes, you morons! Only 10 players will divvy up the $6B in treble damages! Yes, you are right!
 
jlprk said:
Oh my God, the treble damages would be only for the players' lost salaries until they start being paid again.
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they want triple damages from the start of this year until the resolution is reached? That's at least reasonable, although not practical.
 
jlprk said:
Oh God, listening to all these idiots has driven me to religion. This is a nuthouse. Yes, you morons! Only 10 players will divvy up the $6B in treble damages! Yes, you are right!
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There are ~10 players suing the NBA. There is no union right now. Boies represents the players in the lawsuit.

Again, who gets the money in a settlement/judgement? Would any players not under contract, like rookies and free agents, be a part of any settlement/judgement?

You're quick to label people moronic, but what is the answer to the question?
 
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