The Road to Impeachment

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Trump put charity donation money in his own pocket....in some cases to pay for a portrait of himself and in others to help bail out his son in law from a bad real estate debt.....he's profited from hotels like Mar Lago and the converted old post office and after promising to put those profits into the US treasury, has not done that. so.....he bilked thousands with his Trump University and didn't even get credentials for it from the state of New York....won't release his tax returns and left every Muslim majority country off his travel ban that had Trump investments ...golf courses or hotels...fact.....he's been so shady that he's invited scrutiny like no president before him

Literally nothing to do with the quote

 

[Denny Crane]

Trump said she would not be investigated the day he was elected....said she'd served over 30 years and he didn't see a purpose to going after her. He'll probably back pedal on that one again. Comey agreed as did the rest of the Nat'l Security team

I suspect if Trump's new FBI director wants to investigate, Trump wouldn't stop it.

That's different than ordering an investigation, which he has the power to do. He also has the power to order an investigation stopped.

 

[barfo]

I suspect if Trump's new FBI director wants to investigate, Trump wouldn't stop it.

That's different than ordering an investigation, which he has the power to do. He also has the power to order an investigation stopped.

There is also a concept known as 'abuse of power'.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

There is also a concept known as 'abuse of power'.

barfo

Why don't you write a guide for Trump to follow? I just wish you guys would tell me what the line is so I know it when I see it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Oh, I am. I use it the way Comey did yesterday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/comey-s...-clinton-investigation-to-be-called-a-matter/

"At one point the attorney general directed me not to call it an 'investigation' but instead to call it a 'matter,' which confused me and concerned me," Mr. Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee. "That was one of the bricks in the load that lead me to conclude I have to step away from the (Justice) department if we are to close this case credibly."

"We had a criminal investigation open at the time, so that gave me a queasy feeling," Comey said.

Sigh.
1. You can have a criminal investigation of somebody who turns out to be innocent.
2. Are you seriously saying that Comey thought she was GUILTY OF CRIMES and did not prosecute? And you honestly think that if you asked Comey that that's what he meant he would agree with you?

I worry about your reading comprehension, especially for somebody who might possibly be involved with the law. Words mean things. Specific things. Context matters.

 

[barfo]

Why don't you write a guide for Trump to follow? I just wish you guys would tell me what the line is so I know it when I see it.

Yeah, it's SAD! that there is no guide (with lots of graphics and limited to one page) for Trump to follow.

And if I walk into a hospital and do a bit of brain surgery, and it later turns out I'm not an MD and the patient was there for a C-section, well, I should have been given a guide to follow! How does anyone know where the lines are supposed to be?

barfo

 

[riverman]

Literally nothing to do with the quote

read the thread title before you discount a post....it's to do with why people don't Trust Trump and why they would like him impeached...he has a long track record of bad behavior.

 

[e_blazer]

Sigh.
1. You can have a criminal investigation of somebody who turns out to be innocent.
2. Are you seriously saying that Comey thought she was GUILTY OF CRIMES and did not prosecute? And you honestly think that if you asked Comey that that's what he meant he would agree with you?

I worry about your reading comprehension, especially for somebody who might possibly be involved with the law. Words mean things. Specific things. Context matters.

The FBI doesn't determine guilt or innocence. That's the job of the judicial system. Comey's exact quote on the matter was:

“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

Of course, that wasn't his task to determine, either. If there was evidence of potential violations of those statutes, he should have turned it over to the Attorney General to make the call on whether to prosecute the case. What he probably meant was, "Do you really think that Loretta Lynch is going to do anything with this case? Yeah, that's what I thought, too."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, it's SAD! that there is no guide (with lots of graphics and limited to one page) for Trump to follow.

And if I walk into a hospital and do a bit of brain surgery, and it later turns out I'm not an MD and the patient was there for a C-section, well, I should have been given a guide to follow! How does anyone know where the lines are supposed to be?

barfo

So, what part of this obvious rule did he break? Let's say Trump has no clue if he can ask Comey to drop anything. Would you be ok if he asked exactly this "As the President is it ok if I ask if you can drop this Flynn thing because I don't feel he did anything wrong?"


You mention this "concept" and I want you to explain it and not just say "he did it because I think he did"

Or is it because he fired him? None of you can point to one thing that doesn't involve your dislike for him. I didn't like Bill Clinton and KNEW he was lying and still didn't care about the cigar incident.

 

[barfo]

So, what part of this obvious rule did he break? Let's say Trump has no clue if he can ask Comey to drop anything. Would you be ok if he asked exactly this "As the President is it ok if I ask if you can drop this Flynn thing because I don't feel he did anything wrong?"


You mention this "concept" and I want you to explain it and not just say "he did it because I think he did"

Or is it because he fired him? None of you can point to one thing that doesn't involve your dislike for him. I didn't like Bill Clinton and KNEW he was lying and still didn't care about the cigar incident.

I dislike Trump and I know he lied repeatedly about his inauguration crowd size and I don't care. Lots of Trump's lies are inconsequential.

Some of them aren't, though.

I think your question for Trump to ask would have been fine. My answer that I'd draft for Comey would be as follows: "Sir, if you don't know whether that's ok, I respectfully suggest that you resign from office right away, before you get yourself deeper trouble. You are in way over your head. And the answer is no, it is not ok."

Not my words, but here's a definition:

Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election. Abuse of power can also mean a person using the power they have for their own personal gain.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

There is also a concept known as 'abuse of power'.

barfo

We saw it for 8 years before Trump, but were you complaining about it then?

 

[Denny Crane]

Sigh.
1. You can have a criminal investigation of somebody who turns out to be innocent.
2. Are you seriously saying that Comey thought she was GUILTY OF CRIMES and did not prosecute? And you honestly think that if you asked Comey that that's what he meant he would agree with you?

I worry about your reading comprehension, especially for somebody who might possibly be involved with the law. Words mean things. Specific things. Context matters.

Yes, Comey said she was guilty of crimes but said no prosecutor would proceed with the case. He laid out the case in detail. Yet numerous prosecutors and former prosecutors have said they would have prosecuted.

Are you suggesting that someone like Al Capone was innocent of murder because he wasn't found guilty of it?

Or OJ?

Geez, get a grip.

 

[barfo]

We saw it for 8 years before Trump, but were you complaining about it then?

Not clear to me what you are talking about, so I don't know if I complained about it or not.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I dislike Trump and I know he lied repeatedly about his inauguration crowd size and I don't care. Lots of Trump's lies are inconsequential.

Some of them aren't, though.

I think your question for Trump to ask would have been fine. My answer that I'd draft for Comey would be as follows: "Sir, if you don't know whether that's ok, I respectfully suggest that you resign from office right away, before you get yourself deeper trouble. You are in way over your head. And the answer is no, it is not ok."

Not my words, but here's a definition:


barfo

So, nothing? Got it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Professor Turley has more to say.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey

 

[barfo]

So, nothing? Got it.

Not sure what you mean. You want me to tell you something about Trump that doesn't involve my dislike for him?

Uhm, his middle name. I don't mind that so much.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Professor Turley has more to say.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey

I don't know whether what Comey leaked was legal or illegal, ethical or not. I imagine that will get sorted out at some point.

I do know that it doesn't really matter. Either way, it's a sideshow to the main circus.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know whether what Comey leaked was legal or illegal, ethical or not. I imagine that will get sorted out at some point.

I do know that it doesn't really matter. Either way, it's a sideshow to the main circus.

barfo

It's the only thing really open to debate. Comey debunked the long running press narrative that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Now what?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's the only thing really open to debate. Comey debunked the long running press narrative that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Now what?

Hey man, we need the fired FBI chief to ask congress to appoint a special prosecutor. I mean, leak some government memos in hopes he can cause enough controversy to make that happen.

Comey apparently had discretion to do whatever he wanted.

Come out with Hillary "matter" whenever he wanted, why? Who knows?

Decide NOT to publicly state that Trump wasn't being investigated? Why? Because he didn't want to.

The guy had way too much power and apparently no guidelines for what he should and shouldn't do. Just wings it as he sees fit.

 

[barfo]

Comey debunked the long running press narrative that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

I must have missed that. How did he debunk it?

barfo

 

[barfo]

The guy had way too much power and apparently no guidelines for what he should and shouldn't do. Just wings it as he sees fit.

Kind of like the President. They both deserve to be fired.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Kind of like the President. They both deserve to be fired.

barfo

One guy spent a career at it and still did whatever he wanted and should know better.

The other guy is a newbie and actually has some leeway in what he can decide to do.

 

[barfo]

One guy spent a career at it and still did whatever he wanted and should know better.

The other guy is a newbie and actually has some leeway in what he can decide to do.

No, sorry. The Presidency should not be an internship.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I must have missed that. How did he debunk it?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

No, sorry. The Presidency should not be an internship.

barfo

It was for the last president. Where were you back then? Certainly not complaining about that.

 

[barfo]

It was for the last president. Where were you back then? Certainly not complaining about that.

The last president didn't have a lot of relevant experience, but he had some. And he was also smart enough to know what he didn't know, and to hire qualified people and listen to their advice.

Big difference.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Comey debunked the long running press narrative that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Now what?

Matthews seems to be talking about Trump personally, not the campaign. And, he's just a talking head anyway, he's not privy to what Mueller has or doesn't have on Trump.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Matthews seems to be talking about Trump personally, not the campaign. And, he's just a talking head anyway, he's not privy to what Mueller has or doesn't have on Trump.

barfo

That Mueller is holding out on us isn't he? Why he's letting Trump run around free at this point is beyond me.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The last president didn't have a lot of relevant experience, but he had some. And he was also smart enough to know what he didn't know, and to hire qualified people and listen to their advice.

Big difference.

barfo

Impeachable difference? Now you're just saying he's dumb.

 

[barfo]

Impeachable difference? Now you're just saying he's dumb.

He is, in some ways dumb. He is also, in some ways crooked.

barfo