The "Sharpe just did some crazy shit!" thread

[Propagandist]

What? Come on Ant is starting as soon as he comes back unless he's out for the season and we miss the playoffs. That said, if Sharpe were to absolutely explode I'd love to trade Ant for Bridges from Brooklyn in the summer.

Dame/Keon
Sharpe/Thybulle/Little
Bridges/Little/Reddish
Grant/Watford/Walker
Nurk/Eubanks

+ up to TWO draft picks in this years draft is a pretty sweet lineup.

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Very few things would make me happier than this trade.

 

[Cugel]

Then get rid of Nurk for Siakim/Bam and you have decent team. Only need 10 FRPs...

 

[Idog1976]

Sorry but very unrealistic trade, Bridges is worth a LOT, LOT more than Ant, Nets would hang up the phone after laughing their arses off

I dunno, if I was starting a brand new young team that already had Ben Simmons, I'd strongly consider going for a two years younger, VASTLY BETTER offensive player in Ant. Maybe they could ask for a first, but I'm not 100% I'd trade Sharpe straight across for Bridges so the offer Freshtown proposes is horrific for us. Bridges is a totally find 3-D wing who's top tier in defense and decent on offense. Simons is 2 years younger and already Elite when he's on as a scorer. Obviously Ant sucks at defense and that may or may not be correctable, he's very young and defense tends to come with age.

Point is, I don't think the value is nearly the gulf many are saying. Perhaps better put, Ant as a center piece in a trade for Bridges. Personally I wouldn't go higher than Ant and a 1st for Bridges and again, only assuming Sharpe puts it together while Ant is out to a degree I'm certain he's ready to be a starter on a team going for a chip.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I dunno, if I was starting a brand new young team that already had Ben Simmons, I'd strongly consider going for a two years younger, VASTLY BETTER offensive player in Ant. Maybe they could ask for a first, but I'm not 100% I'd trade Sharpe straight across for Bridges so the offer Freshtown proposes is horrific for us. Bridges is a totally find 3-D wing who's top tier in defense and decent on offense. Simons is 2 years younger and already Elite when he's on as a scorer. Obviously Ant sucks at defense and that may or may not be correctable, he's very young and defense tends to come with age.

Point is, I don't think the value is nearly the gulf many are saying. Perhaps better put, Ant as a center piece in a trade for Bridges. Personally I wouldn't go higher than Ant and a 1st for Bridges and again, only assuming Sharpe puts it together while Ant is out to a degree I'm certain he's ready to be a starter on a team going for a chip.

I think you're in the minority of Blazer fans. I think most Blazer fans would deal Ant + FRP for Bridges in a heartbeat, regardless of whether Sharpe shows out or not.

 

[Idog1976]

I think you're in the minority of Blazer fans. I think most Blazer fans would deal Ant + FRP for Bridges in a heartbeat, regardless of whether Sharpe shows out or not.

I said I'd do that, but no WAY I trade Sharpe.

 

[Idog1976]

I think you're in the minority of Blazer fans. I think most Blazer fans would deal Ant + FRP for Bridges in a heartbeat, regardless of whether Sharpe shows out or not.

Ah you're saying just trade for Bridges and figure out the 2 spot later. Yeah OK fair enough.

 

[damianlillard]

I think you're in the minority of Blazer fans. I think most Blazer fans would deal Ant + FRP for Bridges in a heartbeat, regardless of whether Sharpe shows out or not.

Why trade Ant and a first round pick for Bridges when we can find someone like him in the draft. Rayan Rupert will be that guy in a few year. Anthony Black is a great defender who can pass really well and rebound really well. His 3 point shooting percentage isn’t good but his form is decent enough that it give me hope. We all have seen what happen when we trade a first round pick for a role player, it never work out

 

[BankTeller]

Why trade Ant and a first round pick for Bridges when we can find someone like him in the draft. Rayan Rupert will be that guy in a few year. Anthony Black is a great defender who can pass really well and rebound really well. His 3 point shooting percentage isn’t good but his form is decent enough that it give me hope. We all have seen what happen when we trade a first round pick for a role player, it never work out

Timberwolves and Hawks say hi.

 

[mook]

What? Come on Ant is starting as soon as he comes back unless he's out for the season and we miss the playoffs.

I realize it's a pretty bold (perhaps even strange) prediction, but I think there are a number of things coalescing around Sharpe taking the starting 2 guard spot away from Ant:

1. He's no worse a defender than Ant, and is arguably better given his size. Given that he's 4 years younger, he seems to have a lot more upside.
2. Ant came up in a time where his role model was the defensive sieve of CJ, and he seems to be setting a similar template for Sharpe. "Defense is for role players. Starting 2 guards are here to shoot," seems to be the unwritten rule. I don't want the impressionable Sharpe to model his defensive game around Ant.
3. If we're still in the playoff mix, it'll be because Sharpe has filled in for Ant's scoring role.
4. If we're not in the playoff mix, what's the point in rushing Ant back?
5. Dame's teams generally look better with a bigger guard paired with him in the back court. He's less exposed defensively. He's got a bigger target to pass to. It's why Wes Matthews was so valuable to us. But that bigger guard has to shoot, which Sharpe can do.
6. Dame handles the ball more and the ball just moves more without a CJ/Ant-type looking to create for themselves.
7. Sharpe isn't a great rebounder, but he's nearly twice the rebounder Ant is. (7.3 vs 4.4TRB%). With Harte gone that matters.
8. Dame is on a scoring tear right now, averaging 36ppg in Feb. Grant is giving us 21ppg. We don't need Sharpe to replace all of Ant's scoring if he can bring more defense and rebounding and play a role that fits our team better. Only 5 other teams in the league feature three guys scoring 20+ppg, and only 3 of them are good (GS, Pels, Heat), so it's not like it's a requirement to have that much productivity in a third scorer.
9. I really feel like a rangy starting lineup of Dame/Sharpe/Matisse/Grant/Nurk is going to be noticeably better on defense, without really giving up that much offensively.
10. Sharpe has never started a game next to Dame. His 5 starts came early in the season playing off Ant. Sharpe's productivity so far has come off a mishmash bench of youngsters and mediocrity. He wasn't the Featured Bench Scorer, because Ant or Dame stil carried the offense when he came in. There are certain guys who shine more in a structured role surrounded by vets who know what they're doing. (Batum was one of those guys, if you remember the very forgettable Summer League he had as a rook vs how he played as an immediate starter.) I feel like Sharpe is one of those guys.
11. The organization wants to sell tickets. It isn't going to do that with a deep playoff run because we just aren't getting out of the first round. Ant hitting threes is a less marketable version of Dame hitting longer threes. But Sharpe's freakish athleticism and dunking ability is a highlight-of-the-night waiting to happen. He's a reason (besides Dame) for casual fans to watch Blazers basketball.
12. Sharpe is more the future of this franchise than Ant. He's 4 years younger, and is much, much further along than Ant was at his age.

 

[TBpup]

Portland might have been able to get Bridges at the trade deadline for Ant +??? (no Sharpe). I would have started with Ant, the NYK's 1st, a future 1st from us and anyone anyone else not named Dame/Grant/Sharpe.

But now, Bridges will be the main guy in BRK and his stats and production are going to climb through the roof. In 3 games, he is already putting up 25/6.3/3/1.3/1 on 54/57/87 shooting. Those are numbers Ant only dreams about and that doesn't include defense that is off the charts better.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Portland might have been able to get Bridges at the trade deadline for Ant +??? (no Sharpe). I would have started with Ant, the NYK's 1st, a future 1st from us and anyone anyone else not named Dame/Grant/Sharpe.

But now, Bridges will be the main guy in BRK and his stats and production are going to climb through the roof. In 3 games, he is already putting up 25/6.3/3/1.3/1 on 54/57/87 shooting. Those are numbers Ant only dreams about and that doesn't include defense that is off the charts better.

I have always been pretty high on Bridges. I would not have made that trade, so I see no reason why they would have. (Without Sharpe included)

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

I have always been pretty high on Bridges. I would not have made that trade, so I see no reason why they would have. (Without Sharpe included)

That’s why going after an elite wing may take Ant + 3 1st round picks.

Why would Brooklyn trade away Bridges? Because Bridges would ask them to … Dame not bringing in superstars, just the right guys … Grant, part two. Brooklyn re-build.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I realize it's a pretty bold (perhaps even strange) prediction, but I think there are a number of things coalescing around Sharpe taking the starting 2 guard spot away from Ant.

It is inevitable SS will be starting somewhere whether it is SG or SF by next year. Ideally, it is at SG. But we have to prepare for injuries so unless Simons is in a package that brings back a difference maker at forward, I am good with a 3-guard rotation with Dame and Sharpe. We have to assume that there will be injuries and keeping Ant would not disappoint me at all.

We have plenty of decent backups at SF, now we just need to find a starter who is really good. (I like Thybulle coming off the bench)
I know that there will be a lot of talk about trading our picks for a starter, much like we did last summer. Thankfully we did not, and I am not sure I would this year....but it is an option. Ideally, we draft someone who can start year one, but I would not count on it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That’s why going after an elite wing may take Ant + 3 1st round picks.

Why would Brooklyn trade away Bridges? Because Bridges would ask them to … Dame not bringing in superstars, just the right guys … Grant, part two. Brooklyn re-build.

I am guessing with Bridges being a Philly native (2 hours from Brooklyn) and still young at 26, he won't be asking to be moved. Certainly not across the country to Portland.

 

[wizenheimer]

I dunno, if I was starting a brand new young team that already had Ben Simmons, I'd strongly consider going for a two years younger, VASTLY BETTER offensive player in Ant. Maybe they could ask for a first, but I'm not 100% I'd trade Sharpe straight across for Bridges so the offer Freshtown proposes is horrific for us. Bridges is a totally find 3-D wing who's top tier in defense and decent on offense. Simons is 2 years younger and already Elite when he's on as a scorer. Obviously Ant sucks at defense and that may or may not be correctable, he's very young and defense tends to come with age.

Point is, I don't think the value is nearly the gulf many are saying. Perhaps better put, Ant as a center piece in a trade for Bridges. Personally I wouldn't go higher than Ant and a 1st for Bridges and again, only assuming Sharpe puts it together while Ant is out to a degree I'm certain he's ready to be a starter on a team going for a chip.

saying that Ant is "VASTLY BETTER" on offense is a pretty extreme exaggeration:



there really isn't much difference between the two on offense all things considered. The only area where Ant has a significant advantage is in OBPM and I'd imagine a lot of that is the Dame effect (while Booker was missing 27 games). The rest of any imagined offensive advantage Ant has can easily be attributed to him having a 27% higher usage rate and attempting FG's at a 26% higher rate. Volume skew.

Ant has been disappointing as an offensive facilitator and rebounder, and absolutely terrible as a defender. Bridges is an elite 3&D player who was 1st team all-Defense last year....for good reason. Bridges is in the sweet spot of NBA value in that he's an excellent 2-way player and a true versatile wing. Ant isn't any of those things. I'd assign Bridges much higher value than Ant and I'd imagine there isn't a single NBA front offices that has the two of them even close to the same value

 

[Idog1976]

saying that Ant is "VASTLY BETTER" on offense is a pretty extreme exaggeration:

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there really isn't much difference between the two on offense all things considered. The only area where Ant has a significant advantage is in OBPM and I'd imagine a lot of that is the Dame effect (while Booker was missing 27 games). The rest of any imagined offensive advantage Ant has can easily be attributed to him having a 27% higher usage rate and attempting FG's at a 26% higher rate. Volume skew.

Ant has been disappointing as an offensive facilitator and rebounder, and absolutely terrible as a defender. Bridges is an elite 3&D player who was 1st team all-Defense last year....for good reason. Bridges is in the sweet spot of NBA value in that he's an excellent 2-way player and a true versatile wing. Ant isn't any of those things. I'd assign Bridges much higher value than Ant and I'd imagine there isn't a single NBA front offices that has the two of them even close to the same value

It seems I have undervalued Bridges and his efficiency is way up this year. I don't see him being worth more than Ant and at most two FRP's, which we could possibly offer this summer if we remove the CHI protections. I'm also open to seeing if our pick is high enough to grab a talented wing and rolling the dice on that. I still think Ant could go for 30 on a near nightly basis on his own team if winning isn't required as will be the case in Brooklyn.

 

[Idog1976]

That’s why going after an elite wing may take Ant + 3 1st round picks.

Why would Brooklyn trade away Bridges? Because Bridges would ask them to … Dame not bringing in superstars, just the right guys … Grant, part two. Brooklyn re-build.

If I was Brooklyn I'd 100% trade Bridges to a contender for an even younger, extremely talented player and multiple First Round Picks. The odds of them having Bridges on their team when they hit their championship window in a minimum of say 6 seasons is low IMO and were I them, I'd work on amassing assets and younger players. Bridges is young, but he's 5 years from his prime and I doubt Brooklyn is competitive in that time frame. Almost certainly, they will have much younger guys they will want to build around. I think Ant plus 2 FRP's (3 feels like a mega overpay) might very well pique their interest as Ant is younger and the draft capital is beyond valuable.

 

[Jelloman]

If I was Brooklyn I'd 100% trade Bridges to a contender for an even younger, extremely talented player and multiple First Round Picks. The odds of them having Bridges on their team when they hit their championship window in a minimum of say 6 seasons is low IMO and were I them, I'd work on amassing assets and younger players. Bridges is young, but he's 5 years from his prime and I doubt Brooklyn is competitive in that time frame. Almost certainly, they will have much younger guys they will want to build around. I think Ant plus 2 FRP's (3 feels like a mega overpay) might very well pique their interest as Ant is younger and the draft capital is beyond valuable.

They were offered 4 FRP for Bridges and didnt budge. So Ant has to worth 2 FRP in their eyes. Or even 3 to make it a good deal for them. You thunk Ant is worth 3 FRP in the open market? That's All star territory.

 

[Idog1976]

They were offered 4 FRP for Bridges and didnt budge. So Ant has to worth 2 FRP in their eyes. Or even 3 to make it a good deal for them. You thunk Ant is worth 3 FRP in the open market? That's All star territory.

Wild I had no idea someone offered FOUR FRP's for Bridges. That's absolutely insane!

 

[wizenheimer]

Wild I had no idea someone offered FOUR FRP's for Bridges. That's absolutely insane!

I'd be pretty skeptical of that claim.

to start with, it might have been a major exaggeration. It could have been 4 protected firsts, a couple of which might not convey. it could have been 2 first's and 2 swaps. It could have been 1st's several years out. We simply don't know. We also don't know what kind of player/contract was offered to match salary. It could have been a mediocre player on a really bad contract

 

[theprunetang]

I'd be pretty skeptical of that claim.

to start with, it might have been a major exaggeration. It could have been 4 protected firsts, a couple of which might not convey. it could have been 2 first's and 2 swaps. It could have been 1st's several years out. We simply don't know. We also don't know what kind of player/contract was offered to match salary. It could have been a mediocre player on a really bad contract

Given what we know, I imagine it was the Knicks making a push with their known quantity of highly protected first round picks they acquired around the draft.

Probably included the shitty Evan Fournier contract as well.

 

[e_blazer]

All I know is that all-in means all-in. If Cronin thinks Bridges is the 3rd star to pair with Dame and Grant as a contender, then Ant, Sharpe and our first round pick would likely be in the ballpark of what would be needed to make it happen. Bridges is good and plays a position of need, but is he good enough?

 

[MickZagger]

saying that Ant is "VASTLY BETTER" on offense is a pretty extreme exaggeration:

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there really isn't much difference between the two on offense all things considered. The only area where Ant has a significant advantage is in OBPM and I'd imagine a lot of that is the Dame effect (while Booker was missing 27 games). The rest of any imagined offensive advantage Ant has can easily be attributed to him having a 27% higher usage rate and attempting FG's at a 26% higher rate. Volume skew.

Ant has been disappointing as an offensive facilitator and rebounder, and absolutely terrible as a defender. Bridges is an elite 3&D player who was 1st team all-Defense last year....for good reason. Bridges is in the sweet spot of NBA value in that he's an excellent 2-way player and a true versatile wing. Ant isn't any of those things. I'd assign Bridges much higher value than Ant and I'd imagine there isn't a single NBA front offices that has the two of them even close to the same value

And bingo was his name-o

 

[Idog1976]

All I know is that all-in means all-in. If Cronin thinks Bridges is the 3rd star to pair with Dame and Grant as a contender, then Ant, Sharpe and our first round pick would likely be in the ballpark of what would be needed to make it happen. Bridges is good and plays a position of need, but is he good enough?

No he's not and trading Sharpe for a Non-All Star would be a monumental mistake.

 

[blazerfan11]

If I was Brooklyn I'd 100% trade Bridges to a contender for an even younger, extremely talented player and multiple First Round Picks. The odds of them having Bridges on their team when they hit their championship window in a minimum of say 6 seasons is low IMO and were I them, I'd work on amassing assets and younger players. Bridges is young, but he's 5 years from his prime and I doubt Brooklyn is competitive in that time frame. Almost certainly, they will have much younger guys they will want to build around. I think Ant plus 2 FRP's (3 feels like a mega overpay) might very well pique their interest as Ant is younger and the draft capital is beyond valuable.

I think Brooklyn will look for a win-now move. They have two first-round picks (theirs and Phoenix's) for 2023 which they could trade for one more piece.

 

[Leonard Mancini]

I think Brooklyn will look for a win-now move. They have two first-round picks (theirs and Phoenix's) for 2023 which they could trade for one more piece.

Would anyone here trade Sharpe for Sochan? Spur fans think Sochan is so much better.

 

[Natebishop3]

Would anyone here trade Sharpe for Sochan? Spur fans think Sochan is so much better.

Nope.

 

[theprunetang]

Would anyone here trade Sharpe for Sochan? Spur fans think Sochan is so much better.

No, and I really like Sochan. Sochan is the kind of player you want to add to your team once you already have your stars in place. He is going to help some really good teams in his future. We need the stars first, aside from Dame, and Sharpe has that potential.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Would anyone here trade Sharpe for Sochan? Spur fans think Sochan is so much better.

I was a proponent of drafting Sochan before the draft. Love his game. But Sharpe has the potential to be better at more things than Jeremy.
I think you can find someone else to do what Sochan does. But what I think Sharpe can eventually become...... is not as easy to find.
I wish we had both

 

[STOMP]

I was a proponent of drafting Sochan before the draft. Love his game. But Sharpe has the potential to be better at more things than Jeremy.
I think you can find someone else to do what Sochan does. But what I think Sharpe can eventually become...... is not as easy to find.
I wish we had both

I favored Jalen Duren over Sochan and still do. One difference between the two then prospects is Portland could have had both Duren and Sharpe as JD was acquired by Detroit using the future pick Portland had dealt to them for Grant.

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