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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Not No but Hell No

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I've said many times that defense is a team skill more than an individual skill....it's choreography..5 guys on a string. To beat the Warriors you have to score a ton of points and play decent defense. Stotts has had the Blazers play top 10 defense in stretches. Paul George and Melo would put us right in the mix I believe.
Andre Igguodala is a free agent if you want defense as well. He's real close to Evan Turner too.
 
Carmelo has never personally prohibited any of his teams from winning so please with the "loser" talk. Last time I checked this was a team sport. If he's a loser so is everyone else on our roster.

Not a star? The guy is probably headed to the basketball hall of fame and is widely considered one of, if not the toughest guy to guard by his colleagues.

Cancer? Maybe when he was younger, but he's been an ambassador to the game for awhile now, and his teammates love him. His team USA coaches all rave about him as well.

We can argue his defense (actually not really everyone knows the deal), his efficiency, and all of the rest, but you can't take any of these away from him just to fit your narrative.
 
Melo is not the same Melo he used to be. He is old with a lot of wear and tear on his body and I just dont' think he would put us over the top. We are probably on the Clippers level with Melo but not at the Spurs level and certainty not at GSW level.
 
Rhal said:
Melo is not the same Melo he used to be. He is old with a lot of wear and tear on his body and I just dont' think he would put us over the top. We are probably on the Clippers level with Melo but not at the Spurs level and certainty not at GSW level.
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By himself, no. But, if we added Melo and PG13...

Plus, he would not be required to carry his team here, like he has been in New York. If we added PG13 and Melo, Melo would be our 3rd or 4th option, not out 1st (like he has been in DEN and NYK for his entire career).

BNM
 
Rhal said:
Melo is not the same Melo he used to be. He is old with a lot of wear and tear on his body and I just dont' think he would put us over the top. We are probably on the Clippers level with Melo but not at the Spurs level and certainty not at GSW level.
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If it doesn't work out, is it really that much of a loss? I say bring Melo in!
 
You guys are crazy. What makes you think Melo would want to waive his no-trade clause to come to little old Portland. This guy is glitz and glamour.

Plus, I just don't like his game. He'll make himself a spectacle even though he's washed up and take away the focus of the team.

Horrible idea.
 
Even if he wants to stay after one year, what are you going to a 34 year old? What would he demand to stay here?
 
Boob-No-More said:
By himself, no. But, if we added Melo and PG13...

Plus, he would not be required to carry his team here, like he has been in New York. If we added PG13 and Melo, Melo would be our 3rd or 4th option, not out 1st (like he has been in DEN and NYK for his entire career).

BNM
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Sure if we bring in another player then Melo can be the best 4th option in the league. By himself he does nothing to move the needle.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Which is why I've said multiple times in this thread, that Melo to POR ONLY makes sense if we also get Paul George.

In the fantasy scenario I proposed, we'd add PG13, one of the best 2-way players in the game, we'd have Nurk as the rim protector in the starting line up with Kyle O'Quinn, an elite rim protector, backing him up. We'd also have Aminu and Turner, currently our two best perimeter defenders, coming off the bench, as well as Vonleh. In that scenario, our defense would be better than it is now for both the starting line up and the bench.

And, we'd also be adding two more 22+ ppg scorers to our starting line up. Yeah I know, only one ball, so not all of Dame, C.J., Melo and PG13 would average 22+ ppg, but that starting line up would be every bit as difficult to defend, even moreso, than GSW (since Nurk is so much better offensively than Zaza). Seriously, with Dame, C.J., PG13, Melo and Nurk, you can't afford to double team anyone, or even help off your man.

BNM
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Melo makes less sense if we get PG in my opinion. A two way player like Amir Johnson, Kyle O'Quinn, or Thad Young would be better. Would make defenses pay for doubling, while giving us elite defense in the frontcourt. They'd also cost a lot less, which means we'd get to keep more role players, and they're all younger, meaning they won't fall off like Carmelo will.
 
BonesJones said:
Melo makes less sense if we get PG in my opinion. A two way player like Amir Johnson, Kyle O'Quinn, or Thad Young would be better. Would make defenses pay for doubling, while giving us elite defense in the frontcourt. They'd also cost a lot less, which means we'd get to keep more role players, and they're all younger, meaning they won't fall off like Carmelo will.
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The proposed deal gets us both Carmelo and O'Quinn. Win:win.

BNM
 
riverman said:
I'm not worried about age .....you're young...I want to be alive for the next championship....I like Stotts...I think he'd use Melo like he used Dirk....Dirk couldn't defend a chair either back in the day....Tim Duncan at 33 was beasting....I think we need vets....if Melo signs here the worst thing that could happen is we trade him down the road to the Clips.....if Melo is playing with talent...he'll up his game. I'm not a huge fan but I do see the logic in having him stretching the defense instead of Meyers. You want a younger guy....sure. I'm like some folks, tired of developing all young guys and struggling for the 8th seed....I also want a team that scares the Warriors. PFs ...a lot will be available...Kevin Love...no great defender...Lamarcus...no great defender...Blake Griffin...no great defender....so you get a Markief Morris who puts up Turner numbers....meh.....I understand the need for a defensive coordinator and when Melo played for Thibs...it showed. Popovich praised him after the Olympics...where Sabonis learned the game...didn't hurt his transition.
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Dirk couldn't defend shit, but he had 3 elite defenders around him in Kidd, Marion, and Chandler.

Clips might be rebuilding if CP3 leaves (which is likely). We might have no option to trade him.

If Melo could actually help us contend, I'd be all for it. However, I think he wouldn't improve this team at all. Melo wouldn't scare the Warriors one bit. Durant would be extremely excited to face Melo.

As far as these guys you named, Love is a horrible defender which is why I don't want him either. Lamarcus is average, and Griffin is actually a pretty good defender. Melo is much, much worse than Griffin or Aldridge at defense.

I just don't agree with people that think that Carmelo will magically become better by playing here. He still had some of the same problems before he got to NYK, and he's getting worse because he's past his prime. I just don't think the situational difference is enough to make him better when he's naturally declining from age 33 to 34. And if Melo played the way he did last year, he'll hurt us.

There are no defensive coaches that will make Carmelo an average defender. There are no "defensive coordinators" on the market, and Olshey has shown no willingness to bring one in, so it's pointless to use hypotheticals such as "If we had a defensive coordinator...".
 
riverman said:
I've said many times that defense is a team skill more than an individual skill....it's choreography..5 guys on a string. To beat the Warriors you have to score a ton of points and play decent defense. Stotts has had the Blazers play top 10 defense in stretches. Paul George and Melo would put us right in the mix I believe.
Andre Igguodala is a free agent if you want defense as well. He's real close to Evan Turner too.
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River don't say stuff like that. People on this board will block you for suggesting a player who isn't a 50% 3 point shooter
 
honkicracker said:
River don't say stuff like that. People on this board will block you for suggesting a player who isn't a 50% 3 point shooter
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He'd be perfect, I'd love his defense and all-around game.

However, we can't afford him.
 
Giving up picks for a 33 y/o Melo...

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BonesJones said:
He'd be perfect, I'd love his defense and all-around game.

However, we can't afford him.
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You're not one of those posters I was talking about though. As you judge a players value based off more than their 3point %.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Melo to the Blazers = not serious about competing for a title.

Dame, CJ and Melo defending the perimeter would be pure comedy. Other teams would circle that game on their calendar as potential career high nights.
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Blazer guards got Yogi Ferrall a monster career high and a contract. Now THAT is poor defense.
 
honkicracker said:
You're not one of those posters I was talking about though. As you judge a players value based off more than their 3point %.
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I know I was just offering my thoughts on him. I don't know why I quoted you instead of Riverman haha.
 
Denny Crane said:
Melo will make ~$26.24M, and Leonard makes~ $9.9M.

Blazers would need to come up with ~$16.34M in outgoing salaries to match.

Turner or Crabbe would make the salaries match. Some combination of players works, too. Harkless and Aminu works. Harkless and Davis is close, if not good enough.

I would assume NO isn't going to somehow use Ezeli's non-guaranteed deal in this kind of trade - we need the cap relief to avoid the tax if this trade scenario happens.

The Knicks have a lot of cap space available, though they have to deal with DRose and his massive cap hold. In theory, we could trade $36M (or whatever) for the $26M incoming Melo contract.

Since we'd be sending the Knicks a 4th C, maybe we could get them to send us O'Quinn.

I'm with Schilly - that this could be a good deal. It gets a little tough if we're going to be sending out a ~30MPG rotation player, or two, on top of Leonard. I would wait and see before making any judgment other than Melo can still play. I wouldn't judge him by how the Knicks fared with him - I went to a Knicks game at the Garden 2 years ago (Melo didn't play) and that team started and played several actual D-Leaguers.

On the other hand, I don't know that Melo at SF alongside Dame, CJ, and Nurk, is going to make us a team that can compete with the Warriors any better than the Cavs did. For this reason, I'd much rather see us go after a guy who's under the radar but with some upside. Someone like Otto Porter.
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We have more than enough overpaid players to unload on them. Leonard, Turner, Aminu or Davis instead of one of them and Melo enters his final year of the contract, would be a good deal even just for this reason
 
Is Melo better than Mo as our starting SF? From that standpoint, this kind of deal is an upgrade. You'd have to talk to him and see where his head is at. If he thinks he'd be the man here and this would become his team, no thanks. If he acknowledges it's Dame's team and that he'd be here to support the Dame/CJ/Nurk core, then I see no problem.
 
I think Melo would be a great addition for this team... Dame-CJ-Any SF-Melo-Nurkic would be a legit contender, tho probably still not good enough to beat Warriors.... but there is no way it makes sense to give up a draft pick for him when you factor in his age and his ability to leave after one year. This is way too good of a draft. I think a Crabbe + Harkless package is fair for both sides.
 
Denny Crane said:
Is Melo better than Mo as our starting SF? From that standpoint, this kind of deal is an upgrade. You'd have to talk to him and see where his head is at. If he thinks he'd be the man here and this would become his team, no thanks. If he acknowledges it's Dame's team and that he'd be here to support the Dame/CJ/Nurk core, then I see no problem.
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Not when you take into account the game is played at two ends and we have a starting backcourt that is averse to tiring themselves with defense.

If Dame and CJ where decent defenders AND we were challenging next year them maybe. We are not on either count.
 
Reep said:
Not when you take into account the game is played at two ends and we have a starting backcourt that is averse to tiring themselves with defense.

If Dame and CJ where decent defenders AND we were challenging next year them maybe. We are not on either count.
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The only thing we know for sure is the team as constituted isn't a contender. To contend, you have to get better at as many positions as possible, no?
 
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