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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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riverman said:
He interviewed for the job again just recently...was on Dolan's list to replace Phil
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He didn't interview. Some hack columnist mentioned him has a dark horse candidate.

They have interest in Griffin apparently.
 
Well doesn't help us to get flexibility if we take on Anderson contract and I don't think it improve our team neither.
 
riverman said:
Mo is the only guy who's said to have grumbled about coming off the bench which is where I think he belongs with Chief...this may be why they consider moving him...we could stand pat and keep everybody we have and I think we'd be competitive and fun to watch.
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He didn't "grumble" about coming off the bench. He got his playing time reduced and was frustrated. He and Dame talked and it was fine. Insinuating that he may be a malcontent and that's why they're thinking about moving him is silly because we got this shit from

"Real GM lol" -@blazerwookie

Also, why would you think our best SF who actually EARNED his check should come off the bench? For who? Turner? Yeah... No...
 
dviss1 said:
Insinuating that he may be a malcontent
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not my intention....of all the rotation guys, it was the only complaint from a player I heard....hardly makes him a malcontent but might influence his desire to start if that's not in the plan for the roster...Crabbe plays much better when he starts than when he comes off the bench.
 
dviss1 said:
He didn't "grumble" about coming off the bench. He got his playing time reduced and was frustrated. He and Dame talked and it was fine. Insinuating that he may be a malcontent and that's why they're thinking about moving him is silly because we got this shit from

"Real GM lol" -@blazerwookie

Also, why would you think our best SF who actually EARNED his check should come off the bench? For who? Turner? Yeah... No...
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I prefer him being vocal about wanting more playing time. You play consistently well every night and you will receive more playing time.
 
riverman said:
not my intention....of all the rotation guys, it was the only complaint from a player I heard....hardly makes him a malcontent but might influence his desire to start if that's not in the plan for the roster...Crabbe plays much better when he starts than when he comes off the bench.
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Not on Defense.... And he rarely slashes to the bucket. Moe is just better. Dame/CJ/Crabbe is HORRIBLE defensively....
 
Well, what if we traded Leonard and Davis and got back Anderson. Doesn't really save any money since we take on three years of 19 million (57 total) against 3 0f 10 and one of 6 (total 36). No matter what you think of Anderson, he would be more useful than either of those. I think we would have to throw in Vonleh or a draft pick also, so you gotta like Anderson to do this deal. Maybe Houston needs to throw in a pick.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, what if we traded Leonard and Davis and got back Anderson. Doesn't really save any money since we take on three years of 19 million (57 total) against 3 0f 10 and one of 6 (total 36). No matter what you think of Anderson, he would be more useful than either of those. I think we would have to throw in Vonleh or a draft pick also, so you gotta like Anderson to do this deal. Maybe Houston needs to throw in a pick.
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I don't see why we'd have to throw in Vonleh or a pick. At the draft, there was a rumor that teams were wanting 2 picks back to take on Anderson.
Fact remains Houston wants Carmelo. NYK wants him gone, and does NOT want Anderson. If we're facilitating for 2 teams that want the deal, we need to be compensated.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, what if we traded Leonard and Davis and got back Anderson. Doesn't really save any money since we take on three years of 19 million (57 total) against 3 0f 10 and one of 6 (total 36). No matter what you think of Anderson, he would be more useful than either of those. I think we would have to throw in Vonleh or a draft pick also, so you gotta like Anderson to do this deal. Maybe Houston needs to throw in a pick.
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If only the fans where the ones that made the decisions for the team.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see why we'd have to throw in Vonleh or a pick. At the draft, there was a rumor that teams were wanting 2 picks back to take on Anderson.
Fact remains Houston wants Carmelo. NYK wants him gone, and does NOT want Anderson. If we're facilitating for 2 teams that want the deal, we need to be compensated.
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OK, then Houston can throw in Hartenstein.
 
Can one of you geniuses tell me how to get all the font on this site back to normal? I was typing a reply and accidentally hit a key somewhere than made all the font small. I tried closing and reopening this site, no. This is only site i have the problem.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Is it too much to ask that we don't make our pathetic defense even worse?
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Ryan Anderson was #9 in 3 pointers made last season (right between Lillard and Reddick). His offense will more than make up for any on-ball defense deficiencies.
 
craigehlo said:
Ryan Anderson was #9 in 3 pointers made last season (right between Lillard and Reddick). His offense will more than make up for any on-ball defense deficiencies.
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Why focus on just "on-ball"? He can also wreck the entire team defense by being a weak link.

I'm not really a fan of the D'Antoni "just shoot ourselves out of everything" method, especially given how it collapsed so spectacularly in the playoffs.
 
craigehlo said:
Ryan Anderson was #9 in 3 pointers made last season (right between Lillard and Reddick). His offense will more than make up for any on-ball defense deficiencies.
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I asked this before and I will again. If he is so great, then why does he get traded so often? If a guy is that valuable for spacing the floor, then why have so many teams been willing to give up on him?
 
Reep said:
I asked this before and I will again. If he is so great, then why does he get traded so often? If a guy is that valuable for spacing the floor, then why have so many teams been willing to give up on him?
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Not that I'm a fan of his... but why do you think teams are giving up on him? He left NO because he got a big contract offer. I don't think they gave up on him.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see why we'd have to throw in Vonleh or a pick. At the draft, there was a rumor that teams were wanting 2 picks back to take on Anderson.
Fact remains Houston wants Carmelo. NYK wants him gone, and does NOT want Anderson. If we're facilitating for 2 teams that want the deal, we need to be compensated.
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Agreed. Given our cap/tax situation, no way in hell do we do a deal to help to other teams that leaves us with the worst contract and nothing else to show for it. Anderson is basically an older, taller, slightly better, more injury prone version of Crabbe on an equally bad contract (perhaps even worse, given his age and injury history).

That's the sticking point, nobody wants Anderson and his contract. HOU NEEDS to move him to get Carmelo. NYK doesn't want him because old guys on bad contracts do nothing to help a rebuilding team, and we don't want him for the reasons above. So, the only way we help them out is if somebody (NYK) takes back one or two of our bad contracts or somebody throws in a player we actually want, and/or draft picks.

As you said, no way are WE the ones throwing in young players and picks to get Ryan Fucking Anderson.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not that I'm a fan of his... but why do you think teams are giving up on him? He left NO because he got a big contract offer. I don't think they gave up on him.
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And he left Orlando because he signed a big contract as a RFA from New Orleans, so they did a sign and trade to recover some garbage asset. This is like a demonstrably wrong take.

Ryan Anderson keeps getting these big deals, what a shitty player!
 
riverman said:
Crabbe plays much better when he starts than when he comes off the bench.
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Please stop perpetuating this myth. It simply is not true.

First, the sample size is ridiculously small. Second, most of the games were against weak competition and C.J. was balling out of his mind. Third, he was starting at SG. Start him at SF with C.J. at SG and Dame at PG and we will get absolutely eviscerated by pretty much every team in the Western Conference, certainly in our division. That would easily be the worst defensive trio of starters in the league.

And finally, the stats:

Crabbe as a starter: 32.9 MPG, 10.1 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 1.7 APG, .375 FG%, .346 3FG%, .500 TS%
Crabbe off the bench: 28.1 MPG, 10.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.1 APG, .479 FG%, .453 3FG%, .614 TS%

Those are HORRIBLE numbers for a starter. Just look at the difference in his shooting percentages starting vs. coming off the bench. And, given the fact that Crabbe is completely incapable of creating shots for himself, that's EXACTLY what you would expect. He struggles to score, the one and only thing he's paid $19 million a year to do, against other starters. And, he can't guard them either.

Starting Allen Crabbe is a horrible, horrible idea - if you're goal is to win enough games to make the playoffs. Starting Allen Crabbe next to Dame and C.J. only makes sense if you decide to go into full on tank mode on opening night. Harkless is basically an average starting SF, but that makes him a way, WAY, WAY better starting SF than Allen Crabbe.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Please stop perpetuating this myth. It simply is not true.

First, the sample size is ridiculously small. Second, most of the games were against weak competition and C.J. was balling out of his mind. Third, he was starting at SG. Start him at SF with C.J. at SG and Dame at PG and we will get absolutely eviscerated by pretty much every team in the Western Conference, certainly in our division. That would easily be the worst defensive trio of starters in the league.

And finally, the stats:

Crabbe as a starter: 32.9 MPG, 10.1 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 1.7 APG, .375 FG%, .346 3FG%, .500 TS%
Crabbe off the bench: 28.1 MPG, 10.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.1 APG, .479 FG%, .453 3FG%, .614 TS%

Those are HORRIBLE numbers for a starter. Just look at the difference in his shooting percentages starting vs. coming off the bench. And, given the fact that Crabbe is completely incapable of creating shots for himself, that's EXACTLY what you would expect. He struggles to score, the one and only thing he's paid $19 million a year to do, against other starters. And, he can't guard them either.

Starting Allen Crabbe is a horrible, horrible idea - if you're goal is to win enough games to make the playoffs. Starting Allen Crabbe next to Dame and C.J. only makes sense if you decide to go into full on tank mode on opening night. Harkless is basically an average starting SF, but that makes him a way, WAY, WAY better starting SF than Allen Crabbe.

BNM
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Good stuff (as usual) BNM.

One question I have is whether starting Crabbe at SG, rather than SF, and bringing CJ off the bench at both guard positions, might be in the best interests of the the Blazers. I don't really like to see Crabbe taking up any minutes at SF. I'd rather go with Harkless and Turner.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Please stop perpetuating this myth. It simply is not true.

First, the sample size is ridiculously small. Second, most of the games were against weak competition and C.J. was balling out of his mind. Third, he was starting at SG. Start him at SF with C.J. at SG and Dame at PG and we will get absolutely eviscerated by pretty much every team in the Western Conference, certainly in our division. That would easily be the worst defensive trio of starters in the league.

And finally, the stats:

Crabbe as a starter: 32.9 MPG, 10.1 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 1.7 APG, .375 FG%, .346 3FG%, .500 TS%
Crabbe off the bench: 28.1 MPG, 10.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.1 APG, .479 FG%, .453 3FG%, .614 TS%

Those are HORRIBLE numbers for a starter. Just look at the difference in his shooting percentages starting vs. coming off the bench. And, given the fact that Crabbe is completely incapable of creating shots for himself, that's EXACTLY what you would expect. He struggles to score, the one and only thing he's paid $19 million a year to do, against other starters. And, he can't guard them either.

Starting Allen Crabbe is a horrible, horrible idea - if you're goal is to win enough games to make the playoffs. Starting Allen Crabbe next to Dame and C.J. only makes sense if you decide to go into full on tank mode on opening night. Harkless is basically an average starting SF, but that makes him a way, WAY, WAY better starting SF than Allen Crabbe.

BNM
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There is a legend that if you say the name "Allen Crabbe" three times in a mirror, BNM will appear to tell you how shitty Crabbe is.
 
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