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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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CupWizier said:
Since when is basketball played at one end of the court? Aminu is far superior to Melo on the defensive end and Aminu only takes on average 6.8 shots this year while Melo averages slightly over 12. Who is he taking those 5 shots from?
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One is a defensive specialist and one is an offensive specialist. Let's be honest, CJ isn't exactly a lockdown defender either.
 
KingSpeed said:
Maybe it would be the other way around. Maybe our elite D would be contagious to him and he’d play better on that end of the floor. He hasn’t been a bad defender his entire career. He actually used to cover LeBron pretty well.
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Three of the five guys on the second unit aren’t good defenders, yet they’ve somehow survived. I wouldn’t worry about it.
 
KingSpeed said:
Maybe it would be the other way around. Maybe our elite D would be contagious to him and he’d play better on that end of the floor. He hasn’t been a bad defender his entire career. He actually used to cover LeBron pretty well.
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Good effort isn't contagious as much as bad effort. And it'd be a mistake to think the old, washed up player who has never been a good defender even though he's played for 4 different teams is all of a sudden going to improve defensively. He's declined as an athlete and he gives no effort. He's not going to change.
 
Let be realistic we are not going to go after him. Plus last game he play for Houston he brick everything and did not bother to play defense. Maybe he was telling Houston that he didn't like his role or maybe he just don't got it anymore. Me I wouldn't take that chance especially due to we are finally playing has a team.
 
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Scalma said:
Three of the five guys on the second unit aren’t good defenders, yet they’ve somehow survived. I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Alright, let's talk about offense then. Melo isn't good at playing without the ball, and his spot-up shooting has cratered. He also isolates way too much. Turner needs the Ball to be effective, and finally is because he's surrounded by good shooters that play well without the ball. Melo wouldn't fit offensively, and he'd screw up that entire unit.
 
The people who complain about CJ's game want Melo... smh. I don't understand.
 
kjironman1 said:
This new and improved thread with added fiber is at page 459. Not sure how you got it to look like 90?
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You can switch how many posts per page. I like to keep it at 20 so that I can read some posts on the longer thread and then come back to where I left off easier. Many people like to have the biggest number though.
 
BonesJones said:
The people who complain about CJ's game want Melo... smh. I don't understand.
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If we had a defensive minded point guard, I would be fine with CJ.

Let's say Evan Turner was our starting point guard. I would be totally okay with CJ.

The problem is not so much CJ as it is Dame AND CJ. They have similar strengths and similar weaknesses.
 
andalusian said:
It means he is a more efficient one. He shoots to score when it makes sense, and does not when it does not.

Honestly, I am going back to fit - Aminu plays in the 1st unit, he is irrelevant to the discussion since we are thinking about Melo in the 2nd unit.

If the idea is to have another scorer on the 2nd team at forward - just play Layman there a bit more and give him the green light. He is athletic, works on defense, can shoot off the dribble and currently plays only 14 minutes per game.

If Melo is going to be in the 2nd unit - who is he taking minutes from? Zach? No - they need defense. Turner? No - they need a distributor, Curry / Saucy - no, both are better shooters than him that you need next to ET. If Moe is out - you will replace Caleb/Meyers minutes - they currently played 14 MPG combined - some of these you really can't use Melo for - especially when there are bigger guys or the team needs rebounding - so solve the problem with giving Layman an extra 7 MPG with the 2nd unit - and allow him to score as needed. "Problem" solved.
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Is Layman a more efficient scorer than Lillard? He’s got a higher TS%.

That stat should be considered, in context.

Layman is good, in theory. He’s hardly proven. Maybe he does better if given the opportunity, but maybe he doesn’t. Give me the proven guy that other teams respect accordingly instead.

And the minutes issue has already been discussed in this this thread. Leonard and Biggie have made up for about 20 minutes the last couple of games. Stagger the rest and you got 25 minutes for Melo.
 
hoopsjock said:
You can switch how many posts per page. I like to keep it at 20 so that I can read some posts on the longer thread and then come back to where I left off easier. Many people like to have the biggest number though.
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Oh i see. So it's a page function? I guess i'm out of the loop on that.
Well then yes. It will be a while for him. Though at the rate this is going i wouldn't doubt it a bit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we had a defensive minded point guard, I would be fine with CJ.

Let's say Evan Turner was our starting point guard. I would be totally okay with CJ.

The problem is not so much CJ as it is Dame AND CJ. They have similar strengths and similar weaknesses.
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Why is having 2 guards that are food at scoring a problem? I understand how having two bad defensive guards is a problem, but we were top 8 last year and we've improved this year (including Dame, who's about average now).
 
Scalma said:
If CJ was coming off the bench and making the minimum no one would complain.
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Yet, when C.J. plays with the bench, they still complain. So all the complaints about the way he plays are contract based? Weird.

Wanting Melo is ridiculous at this point. If a good team that lives big names doesnt want him on their team for the minimum after 10 games, why should we?
 
Scalma said:
Is Layman a more efficient scorer than Lillard? He’s got a higher TS%.
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Not relevant to the discussion - I am not ignoring the context, I am showing that Layman is a lot more efficient than 'Melo playing the same role (complimentary scorer).

Layman is good, in theory. He’s hardly proven. Maybe he does better if given the opportunity, but maybe he doesn’t. Give me the proven guy that other teams respect accordingly instead.
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Melo has repeatedly proven in the previous years that he is not conductive to winning in the modern NBA - I am not sure why you insist on taking his proven scoring ability from 5 years ago but ignore his proven inefficiency in the last 3.

And the minutes issue has already been discussed in this this thread. Leonard and Biggie have made up for about 20 minutes the last couple of games. Stagger the rest and you got 25 minutes for Melo.
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Biggie and Meyers have played 80 and 113 minutes in 13 games. That comes down to 14 mpg. Even if we assume that Moe is not coming back - all 3 of them played 20 mpg together. As we said, there are many instances where you need size / rebounding that Melo does not give you - so let's say 10 MPG. This leaves 10 MPG for another designated scorer on the 2nd unit. I still think I would rather give it to Jake and maybe the Rooks for their development.
 
BonesJones said:
Yet, when C.J. plays with the bench, they still complain. So all the complaints about the way he plays are contract based? Weird.

Wanting Melo is ridiculous at this point. If a good team that lives big names doesnt want him on their team for the minimum after 10 games, why should we?
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Yeah, when he plays point guard with the bench, they complain. Reasonable, no?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Melo wouldn't be playing point guard, no?
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Scalma's argument for Melo is that he is efficient when the offense runs through him. I believe this is the context of this argument. Otherwise there is no argument because he has failed as a complimentary scorer in both OKC and HOU
 
andalusian said:
Scalma's argument for Melo is that he is efficient when the offense runs through him. I believe this is the context of this argument. Otherwise there is no argument because he has failed as a complimentary scorer in both OKC and HOU
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And the offense doesn't need to move through him all the time. That's the beauty of not really needing him. If he's playing like shit, you just don't pass him the ball. If he has it going, you feed him.
 
Carmelo Anthony:
-2.7 OBPM
-2.4 DBPM
-5.1 BPM

40.5 FG%
32.8 3P%
51.3 TS%

0.8AST PER 100 POSSESSIONS (!!!)

A certain someone in here who wants Melo said that we shouldn't go after Otto Porter Jr because he's too selfish and doesn't get enough assists, even though he's a 3-and-D player he plays primarily without the ball. Melo dominates the ball and is possibly the most selfish player in the league.

Not to mention the possible locker room ramifications...

This IS NOT who we need. Our bench is great as is, and the best we've had in years. It's also a very cohesive unit with specific skillsets that compliment each others'... Why the hell would we want to add this guy?
 
Natebishop3 said:
And the offense doesn't need to move through him all the time. That's the beauty of not really needing him. If he's playing like shit, you just don't pass him the ball. If he has it going, you feed him.
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Same could be said of Jake Layman. Let's just play him more minutes without having the deal with a player that does not even try on defense.
 
andalusian said:
It means he is a more efficient one. He shoots to score when it makes sense, and does not when it does not.

Honestly, I am going back to fit - Aminu plays in the 1st unit, he is irrelevant to the discussion since we are thinking about Melo in the 2nd unit.

If the idea is to have another scorer on the 2nd team at forward - just play Layman there a bit more and give him the green light. He is athletic, works on defense, can shoot off the dribble and currently plays only 14 minutes per game.

If Melo is going to be in the 2nd unit - who is he taking minutes from? Zach? No - they need defense. Turner? No - they need a distributor, Curry / Saucy - no, both are better shooters than him that you need next to ET. If Moe is out - you will replace Caleb/Meyers minutes - they currently played 14 MPG combined - some of these you really can't use Melo for - especially when there are bigger guys or the team needs rebounding - so solve the problem with giving Layman an extra 7 MPG with the 2nd unit - and allow him to score as needed. "Problem" solved.
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Melo has been a very good rebounder in the past.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And the offense doesn't need to move through him all the time. That's the beauty of not really needing him. If he's playing like shit, you just don't pass him the ball. If he has it going, you feed him.
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In theory this sounds great but if Melo accepted that role he'd still be wanted in OKC and Houston.
 
andalusian said:
Scalma's argument for Melo is that he is efficient when the offense runs through him. I believe this is the context of this argument. Otherwise there is no argument because he has failed as a complimentary scorer in both OKC and HOU
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He hasn't had a TS% over 53.5% since 2013-2014 (5 years ago). Even in his final 3 season in New York when he WAS their offense, he was an inefficient scorer, who sucks in every other aspect of the game.
 
KingSpeed said:
Melo has been a very good rebounder in the past.
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So we should get Carmelo because of his rebounding...? Because that might be his only decent trait left.

There's also no reason to use "the past" when talking about Carmelo. He's 34. He's past his prime and declining.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And the offense doesn't need to move through him all the time. That's the beauty of not really needing him. If he's playing like shit, you just don't pass him the ball. If he has it going, you feed him.
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And then he causes a bunch of controversy because he's not getting his touches, as well as give (somehow) even less effort on defense, giving up numerous points to his opponent.
 
BonesJones said:
So we should get Carmelo because of his rebounding...? Because that might be his only decent trait left.

There's also no reason to use "the past" when talking about Carmelo. He's 34. He's past his prime and declining.
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Tell me another viable star player, even a washed up one, that we can get?

Dame is 28. If we can add another star player without giving up anyone, I say do it.
 
andalusian said:
Same could be said of Jake Layman. Let's just play him more minutes without having the deal with a player that does not even try on defense.
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Hahaha exactly. In theory, Melo is only good with the ball in his hands. Too bad he's not good in any situation.
 
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