This sucker is absolutely dangerous! Shouldn't be allowed to speak to young people!

[H.C.]

They're not equivalent by a long shot.

Once again, your opinion. Completely entitled to your opinion.
I however choose not to minimize any being on this earth.(sometimes I fail, but it's a goal in my life)

Also if anyone had came to me with an issue about this SN that was valid...(not saying unneeded things, and was willing to engage in a little dialogue)
Regardless of what it means to me.. I'd pm some mod and try to get it changed. If wasn't possible to change, I'd stop using the account and or delete it.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm fine with your screen name. It's a political statement of sorts. If you ever want it changed, PM me and I'll give you a new name of your choice that's available (like I'd do for anyone).

The N word was accompanied by physical torture, beatings, killings and lynchings. It's been used historically as a form of terrorism, to threaten people, etc. On a massive scale, for millions of people.

I can't at all see your screen name being equivalent.

 

[H.C.]

The N word was accompanied by physical torture, beatings, killings and lynchings. It's been used historically as a form of terrorism, to threaten people, etc. On a massive scale, for millions of people.

I can't at all see your screen name being equivalent.

I don't believe I was saying they were equivalent.
I was pointing out that you said racist has lost it's power because it's used so often

As I wrote earlier, people throw the word "racist" around to the point its meaning is diluted.
Both words (honky and cracker) are not racist. They are disparaging terms, though. Like the word "moron."

I then said I'm not sure I agree

So the word black slaves were called is a disparaging term. Not a racist remark. Okay. You're allowed to have your opinion. I support it.
My opinion however is, that word is racist.

Simply because if calling someone a racist has lost it's power.
Then to me that would mean the word used for black slaves is also just a disparaging term like "moron".
I disagree with that. I can't say enough how much I disagree with that.

 

[Denny Crane]

Obviously you don't agree.

Racist implies a superiority of one "race" over another. I've never seen a definition in a dictionary, or elsewhere, that defines it otherwise.

Where people misuse "racist," they really mean discriminatory.

Honky is discriminatory, but not racist. No black person ever uses the term to imply racial superiority, or in most cases not with any hate behind it. Unlike the N word when used by white people.

For example:

 

[e_blazer]

You're correct, you don't know what's going on in our community nor what we teach our children. What you don't understand is that we've made these changes already. Just because you see some kids steal from the store doesn't mean that only black kids are doing it. And, even if he did steal from the store, he doesn't deserve to be shot for it. And if you think that he was bull rushing an armed officer like marAzul thinks, then I don't know where we go from there. People talk about black on black crime but white on white crime is less than 10% lower. Police are scared for absolutely no reason. Wilson was scared and that's why Brown is dead. My friend's brother James Perez was unarmed and killed by police 97 seconds after he was pulled over. Why was he tased AFTER he was shot? Cause the punk police officer was afraid of what a scary (unarmed) black man might do.

What people never talk about is the fact that police already have a description of the perp before they even have contact with them. And that they get to prepare their mind for a potential situation before it even occurs.

I'm not sure what kind of response you're looking for here. Maybe none?

I took the time to look up the DOJ's report on the Michael Brown incident. You can read the findings for yourself: https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

I also looked up the internal investigation report on James Perez. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/99881

The Brown investigation was done by the DOJ under Eric Holder's direction. I can't think of any valid reason to doubt the findings. Michael Brown made a bunch of bad decisions that day and ended up dead. Wilson's account seems to be supported by the preponderance of the evidence. That said, I'm glad that guy got out of police work. Had he handled the situation differently, it probably wouldn't have turned out the way it did.

 

[jlprk]

Racist implies a superiority of one "race" over another. I've never seen a definition in a dictionary, or elsewhere, that defines it otherwise.

Where people misuse "racist," they really mean discriminatory.

Honky is discriminatory, but not racist. No black person ever uses the term to imply racial superiority, or in most cases not with any hate behind it. Unlike the N word when used by white people.

Interesting. Denny is exhibiting sharp, discriminating thinking today in his definitional distinctions. Science would approve.

 

[H.C.]

Obviously you don't agree.

Racist implies a superiority of one "race" over another. I've never seen a definition in a dictionary, or elsewhere, that defines it otherwise.

Where people misuse "racist," they really mean discriminatory.

Honky is discriminatory, but not racist. No black person ever uses the term to imply racial superiority, or in most cases not with any hate behind it. Unlike the N word when used by white people.

For example:

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I'm well aware of the definition of racism, but thank you for re-defining it.
However I have also have to state that talking down to someone regardless of the words used is implying you are superior to someone.
If that person were to be of a different race, one could argue that talking down to someone is racist.
Simply due to the fact that talking down to someone is believing you are superior to them. Which is the word definition of racism.

However I don't know why this is even a discussion really. Outside of the fact that you said.

As I wrote earlier, people throw the word "racist" around to the point its meaning is diluted.

I pointed out that means

So the word black slaves were called is a disparaging term. Not a racist remark.

So at the end of the day I feel you're a little off on this discussion.. Simply because the term racist is far from diluted.
Perhaps you believe I think the term honky(i) or cracker is racist. I haven't said that though.
I said people can think what they want ~

I believe you misspoke though when you said people use the word "racist" that it's become casual and is diluted.
It's far from diluted.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's certainly diluted. The approach to dealing with racism is radically different than discrimination. Racism is a crime, so to speak. Discrimination is a civil thing. For the most part... Hate crimes tend to be... criminal.

There are, fortunately, relatively fewer racist goings on anymore. There are a ridiculous amount of discriminatory goings on, and maybe getting worse.

The way dilution affects things is that calling things (people) racist all the time is an insult to peope who aren't. We roll our eyes, not this crap again. When something actually racist is called racist, people are going to assume it isn't.

All racism is bad. Not all discrimination is. Consider the military discriminates against people too old or unfit to serve - it's probably just fine.

 

[dviss1]

Both words (honky and cracker) are not racist. They are disparaging terms, though. Like the word "moron."

Wait what? Yeah... I'd disagree with that notion.

 

[dviss1]

All racism is bad. Not all discrimination is. Consider the military discriminates against people too old or unfit to serve - it's probably just fine.

Most discrimination is though.

 

[Denny Crane]

Most discrimination is though.

No, it's just discrimination.

If banks are redlining black people, it's not because they think black are subhuman/inferior, it's out of hate. A different animal altogether.

 

[dviss1]

No, it's just discrimination.

If banks are redlining black people, it's not because they think black are subhuman/inferior, it's out of hate. A different animal altogether.

I don't know if you misunderstood me. I'm not saying most discrimination is racism. I'm saying most discrimination is bad.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I work at a facility that has a lot of fuck ups and certain fuck ups were given a free opportunity to work with a program that finds them a pretty decent job after they are done being fuck ups and teaches them actuall skills for real jobs. All for free. And half the guys chosen were too lazy to go to a 45 minute class. Those are the same guys who have 3 kids with 3 different women and think the only way to get ahead in life is to make rap albums or sell drugs.

You are practically being handed a job. And it's not some minimum wage bs they teach you skilled labor and get you a good wage. Literally the only reason to turn this down is pure fucking laziness. So no. Its not all luck. At some point you have to realize you need to work hard in life suck it up.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Wait what? Yeah... I'd disagree with that notion.

I still dont get why honky and cracker dont offend me. Its supposed to isnt it? I love being called names, it means ive won psychologically. Im so in your head all you can think of are adjectives to describe me. Mmmmmm, yes. The sweet salty tear taste of victory.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It depends for me. Honky and cracker are whatever, unless your intent is malicious.

For instance, being called a haole in hawaii. You can feel the hate and disdain from certain people. And its crazy! I get that you hate white people because your grandparents told you what it was like when shit went down. Terrible, despicable things. Im so far removed from that though, and have empathy for the fact that they feel slighted by white people. They are just judging me on my skin, when you dont know im actually enough native american to get health subsidies, and im predominately irish (with a whole lotta other caucasian crap like russian, polish, german, british etc.).

I get it, my grandpa hates japanese having seen his best friends getting killed in ww2. But he never tried to instill that hate in me.

Ive grown up with a pakistani friend thats muslim since we were just kids. And we got in fights as we got older (still friends today) but when he would get mad he would call me and my family a bunch of rednecks. I was like wtf? Cause that meant nothing to me at all. But his family thought that was the worst thing they could call white people. So it hurt because of the malicious intent.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know if you misunderstood me. I'm not saying most discrimination is racism. I'm saying most discrimination is bad.

Agreed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

I'm saying most discrimination is bad.

When my daughter was denied enrollment at Stanford for reasons of diversity goals, I thought that was discrimination.
But many thing that is good.

 

[MARIS61]

Obviously you don't agree.

Racist implies a superiority of one "race" over another. I've never seen a definition in a dictionary, or elsewhere, that defines it otherwise.

Where people misuse "racist," they really mean discriminatory.

Honky is discriminatory, but not racist. No black person ever uses the term to imply racial superiority, or in most cases not with any hate behind it. Unlike the N word when used by white people.

For example:

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That is completely inaccurate. Honky and cracker are racist insults used exactly as the dreaded n word, usually in a threat of violence and exclusively against Caucasians.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When my daughter was denied enrollment at Stanford for reasons of diversity goals, I thought that was discrimination.
But many thing that is good.

She could go to a community college and transfer after a couple of years. Or if they raise the minimum wage high enough she might not even have to go to college.

 

[Denny Crane]

That is completely inaccurate. Honky and cracker are racist insults used exactly as the dreaded n word, usually in a threat of violence and exclusively against Caucasians.

I was completely accurate. The words honky and cracker are almost never used in conjunction with violence.

 

[MarAzul]

She could go to a community college and transfer after a couple of years. Or if they raise the minimum wage high enough she might not even have to go to college.

Very clever deflecting from the main issue of discrimination. Geez you do have these Democrat talking point on the mind, like the minimum wage fixes all ills.

Btw, it was a long time ago, but they still do that shit. Discriminate against Caucasian kids that is. I wonder if that was the exception to dviss' judgement of "Bad".

 

[MarAzul]

The words honky and cracker are almost never used in conjunction with violence.

umm, as I recall, the fellow that threaten to cut me from pecker to chin used the honky word in his address. Some others to be sure.
I think you may be over stating your knowledge of reality.

 

[Denny Crane]

umm, as I recall, the fellow that threaten to cut me from pecker to chin used the honky word in his address. Some others to be sure.
I think you may be over stating your knowledge of reality.

I think that is 1 time out of millions the word has been used. Maybe billions. There haven't been billions of threats.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Very clever deflecting from the main issue of discrimination. Geez you do have these Democrat talking point on the mind, like the minimum wage fixes all ills.

Btw, it was a long time ago, but they still do that shit. Discriminate against Caucasian kids that is. I wonder if that was the exception to dviss' judgement of "Bad".

No they don't.

Lets break this down...

Stanford admits 2,100 students a year.

They have 45,000 applicants.

That means they have a 5% acceptance rate.

Of the 2,100 43% are white kids.

And 8% are black kids.

905 white kids were accepted over your daughter.

Only 165 black kids were.

How is that discrimination?

If your daughter didn't make it in the top 905 you're telling me for a fact that she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000?

Even if Stanford accepted only white kids that still doesn't guarantee your daughter admission. It's still a 5% acceptance rate.

It wasn't the black students she was measured against it was the white students. For whatever reason Stanford choose different white people than your daughter.

That's not discrimination.

 

[julius]

No they don't.

Lets break this down...

Stanford admits 2,100 students a year.

They have 45,000 applicants.

That means they have a 5% acceptance rate.

Of the 2,100 43% are white kids.

And 8% are black kids.

905 white kids were accepted over your daughter.

Only 165 black kids were.

How is that discrimination?

If your daughter didn't make it in the top 905 you're telling me for a fact that she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000?

Even if Stanford accepted only white kids that still doesn't guarantee your daughter admission. It's still a 5% acceptance rate.

It wasn't the black students she was measured against it was the white students. For whatever reason Stanford choose different white people than your daughter.

That's not discrimination.

Like my grandmother used to say, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

No they don't.

Lets break this down...

Stanford admits 2,100 students a year.

They have 45,000 applicants.

That means they have a 5% acceptance rate.

Of the 2,100 43% are white kids.

And 8% are black kids.

905 white kids were accepted over your daughter.

Only 165 black kids were.

How is that discrimination?

If your daughter didn't make it in the top 905 you're telling me for a fact that she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000?

Even if Stanford accepted only white kids that still doesn't guarantee your daughter admission. It's still a 5% acceptance rate.

It wasn't the black students she was measured against it was the white students. For whatever reason Stanford choose different white people than your daughter.

That's not discrimination.

Theres a lot of stuff that goes into admissions. Its not just, oh shit, i didnt get in and i had a 3.79gpa! But someone did who had a 3.72gpa! Discrimination!!!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

No they don't.

Lets break this down...

Stanford admits 2,100 students a year.

They have 45,000 applicants.

That means they have a 5% acceptance rate.

Of the 2,100 43% are white kids.

And 8% are black kids.

905 white kids were accepted over your daughter.

Only 165 black kids were.

How is that discrimination?

If your daughter didn't make it in the top 905 you're telling me for a fact that she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000?

Even if Stanford accepted only white kids that still doesn't guarantee your daughter admission. It's still a 5% acceptance rate.

It wasn't the black students she was measured against it was the white students. For whatever reason Stanford choose different white people than your daughter.

That's not discrimination.

They discriminate against the 45,000 minus 2,000 students.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They discriminate against the 45,000 minus 2,000 students.

Then the 43,000 all get stoned and go to a Bernie Sanders rally.

 

[MarAzul]

No they don't.

Lets break this down...

Stanford admits 2,100 students a year.

They have 45,000 applicants.

That means they have a 5% acceptance rate.

Of the 2,100 43% are white kids.

And 8% are black kids.

905 white kids were accepted over your daughter.

Only 165 black kids were.

How is that discrimination?

If your daughter didn't make it in the top 905 you're telling me for a fact that she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000?

Even if Stanford accepted only white kids that still doesn't guarantee your daughter admission. It's still a 5% acceptance rate.

It wasn't the black students she was measured against it was the white students. For whatever reason Stanford choose different white people than your daughter.

That's not discrimination.

Oh come on Sly!
I am not speculating here, I am stating what happened. She was very well qualified as the Valedictorian of one of the top High Schools in the State, Monta Vista. She had a 4.0 GPA and top scores on all tests.
I am stating what Stanford University said in the rejection letter. Even though you have outstanding qualifications, we regret ... to meet our diversity goals.

"she would have made it in the top 1070? Out of 45,000? "
Fucking A!

Now please don't tell me it did not happen.