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Rastapopoulos

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Inspired by Mark Stein and procrastination, I suggest this:

Phoenix sends out Amare Stoudemire and gets RLEC, Sergio and Travis
Chicago sends out Deng, Hinrich and filler and gets Stoudemire and Steve Blake
Portland sends out RLEC, Travis, Blake and Sergio and gets Deng and Hinrich

Versions of this have been discussed to death, I know, but it seems to me that the likelihood of getting Deng for what we've got has declined, but Stoudemire might entice. Phoenix, on the other hand, doesn't seem likely to commit to Deng and Hinrich's long-term contracts, so...
 
Chicago has to come to terms with the cost of dumping Hinrich's contract.
 
I really like it since Aldridge for Stoudamire would be somewhat of a lateral move, BUT... I think PHX gets only one thing they want (financial relief). I mean, Travis and Sergio have some value, but they have to get back a cheap 'A level' prospect like Aldridge, 'cause this is just blowing it up, and I'm not sure they're ready for that. Reportedly Nash is off limits, so won't just throw the season away, they have to get back something at PF, and no, I don't mean Frye/Diogu/Shavlik.
 
Phoenix wouldn't want Sergio. They, like everyone, want Bayless. Sergio is worth nothing.
 
With Pheonix giving up Amare...I don't see them doing this deal without getting Deng back...thier giving up the marquee player in the deal and wouldn't want Outlaw over Deng if he was in the deal. And with the Suns in obvious rebuilding mode...I'm sure any deal for Amare will have to include drafts picks
 
yup would have to be bayless before the suns would even begin to stop laughing at that.
 
I agree that the Suns seem to be getting the short end here, BUT

1. Amare has totally burnt his bridges there. Talk to Suns fans and they hate him.
2. They've always been, how shall I put it? Thrifty (which is why we have Sergio and Rudy and Boston have Rondo) so Raef's super-expiring contract might be the main attraction.
3. Imagine Outlaw on the end of some of Nash's alley-oops
4. Outlaw can play PF for them (a bit).
5. We could throw in a draft pick and or cash.
6. I don't think Phoenix would really want Deng (and certainly not Hinrich) for reason 2 above, and besides, Deng's contract is base-year which complicates matters.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I agree that the Suns seem to be getting the short end here, BUT

1. Amare has totally burnt his bridges there. Talk to Suns fans and they hate him.
2. They've always been, how shall I put it? Thrifty (which is why we have Sergio and Rudy and Boston have Rondo) so Raef's super-expiring contract might be the main attraction.
3. Imagine Outlaw on the end of some of Nash's alley-oops
4. Outlaw can play PF for them (a bit).
5. We could throw in a draft pick and or cash.
6. I don't think Phoenix would really want Deng (and certainly not Hinrich) for reason 2 above, and besides, Deng's contract is base-year which complicates matters.
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Deng was Phoenix's pick too.
 
i still don't think deng is worth taking on his contract. batum could easily be better in a year or two, and if we want to go after a star who might be available i would prefer wallace.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I agree that the Suns seem to be getting the short end here, BUT

1. Amare has totally burnt his bridges there. Talk to Suns fans and they hate him.
2. They've always been, how shall I put it? Thrifty (which is why we have Sergio and Rudy and Boston have Rondo) so Raef's super-expiring contract might be the main attraction.
3. Imagine Outlaw on the end of some of Nash's alley-oops
4. Outlaw can play PF for them (a bit).
5. We could throw in a draft pick and or cash.
6. I don't think Phoenix would really want Deng (and certainly not Hinrich) for reason 2 above, and besides, Deng's contract is base-year which complicates matters.
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Here's my problem with your thinking: you started the thread and clearly want Hinrich and Deng to be in Portland. Your train of thought, therefore, is impacted by your desire for these two players.

No way does PHX not ask for Bayless. Sergio is worthless. PHX may be cheap (and history certainly says so), but they would demand Jerryd.
 
This improves 2 teams.

We're not one of them.
 
Okay, assuming we're not going to give up Bayless, maybe Chicago can send Tyrus Thomas to Phoenix (again, imagine him on the end of Nash passes) in return for offloading The Crazy Mulletted Argentine on us.

Voila!

Messy, and it screws up our cap space (so very unlikely). But who were we going to sign anyway?
 
I'd do that deal, we keep all of our top players and add the jewel for us, which is Deng. He's been tearing it up lately. I'd consider that strongly over some of the other deals proposed on here.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okay, assuming we're not going to give up Bayless, maybe Chicago can send Tyrus Thomas to Phoenix (again, imagine him on the end of Nash passes) in return for offloading The Crazy Mulletted Argentine on us.

Voila!

Messy, and it screws up our cap space (so very unlikely). But who were we going to sign anyway?
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i doubt adding TT would make the deal significantly more attractive to phoenix.
 
Funny thought... do you think that in trade conversations between GMs, they send Trade Machine links to each other? I mean, keeping track of a 14 player deal like this on the phone... could be impossible.
 
axs88 said:
Funny thought... do you think that in trade conversations between GMs, they send Trade Machine links to each other? I mean, keeping track of a 14 player deal like this on the phone... could be impossible.
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I doubt it. That's what guys like Tom Penn are for.
 
alex42083 said:
I doubt it. That's what guys like Tom Penn are for.
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He's probably one of the guys who WROTE the program. Seriously - those are the nerds who are being hired into actual real-world positions. It probably makes the Jerry Krauses of this world sick to their (ample) stomachs.
 
crowTrobot said:
i doubt adding TT would make the deal significantly more attractive to phoenix.
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Judging by your avatar, you have a serious Bayless crush. But I'm not sure he's the make-or-break guy, and I can bet there are plenty of people who look at the raw talent and otherworldly athleticism of Tyrus Thomas, believe they can mold him into a rich man's Shawn Marion and rate him higher than Bayless, who is a short shooting guard (however good) and honestly unlikely ever to start for most teams in the league.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Judging by your avatar, you have a serious Bayless crush. But I'm not sure he's the make-or-break guy, and I can bet there are plenty of people who look at the raw talent and otherworldly athleticism of Tyrus Thomas, believe they can mold him into a rich man's Shawn Marion and rate him higher than Bayless, who is a short shooting guard (however good) and honestly unlikely ever to start for most teams in the league.
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Not true IMO. Bayless could start for a few teams right now and is going to be a top 5-10 PG in the NBA as early as next year. You are way underrating Bayless's talent! I don't know this for sure but I think outside of our big 3 most teams are asking for Bayless in a trade. There is a reason they want Bayless before he blows up and he is untouchable from us.
 
ah, another trade where we are sending out our last 5 or 6 guys from our bench and getting back pretty good players.
 
The only way we get Amare is if we offer Bayless or Aldridge. Outlaw and a number of scrubs won't do the deal. Let's not forget that Amare is still an All-Star. He still has value.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Judging by your avatar, you have a serious Bayless crush. But I'm not sure he's the make-or-break guy, and I can bet there are plenty of people who look at the raw talent and otherworldly athleticism of Tyrus Thomas, believe they can mold him into a rich man's Shawn Marion and rate him higher than Bayless, who is a short shooting guard (however good) and honestly unlikely ever to start for most teams in the league.
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:confused: what? We call this disease "Maris syndrome."
 
Natebishop3 said:
:confused: what? We call this disease "Maris syndrome."
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1. It's "I". You are not the Queen. I assume.
2. Only if you have a serious Maris obsession. And that does indeed appear to be the case.
3. I've been saying this since we drafted Bayless. And that includes watching just about every game in Summer League. So I think I can "own" that opinion for myself.

Tortimer said:
Not true IMO. Bayless could start for a few teams right now and is going to be a top 5-10 PG in the NBA as early as next year. You are way underrating Bayless's talent! I don't know this for sure but I think outside of our big 3 most teams are asking for Bayless in a trade. There is a reason they want Bayless before he blows up and he is untouchable from us.
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If you mean top 5-10 scoring per minute, then I might concede that - at least, a couple of years from now. But if you mean actually performing the functions usually asked of a point guard, then I think you're just wrong. Bayless has a skill that is in short supply on the Blazers (head down, drive to the basket) where only Roy and occasionally Sergio can penetrate, but league-wide it's not that rare. As I have said many times, Bayless is a pint-sized Cory Maggette. And like Maggette, that kind of player is always best used off the bench.

Incidentally, my ten-year-old says it's pronounced "Tor-timer" (like "old timer") is that right? I always assumed it was pronounced like "Mortimer".
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Judging by your avatar, you have a serious Bayless crush. But I'm not sure he's the make-or-break guy, and I can bet there are plenty of people who look at the raw talent and otherworldly athleticism of Tyrus Thomas, believe they can mold him into a rich man's Shawn Marion and rate him higher than Bayless, who is a short shooting guard (however good) and honestly unlikely ever to start for most teams in the league.
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they've been trying to mold thomas into a player in chicago for 2.5 years, and if anything he's regressed slightly. he may still have a lot of potential, but i doubt his current trade value is higher than bayless (not that i think bayless' value is really that high).

however calling bayless nothing but a short SG with no chance to ever start for most teams is just dumb (no offense). he will never be the passer chris paul is, but neither will anyone else. otherwise his potential upside certainly is as a star-level scoring PG in the mold of billups, nelson, mo williams etc. if anything his PG skill set and development on both sides of the floor are ahead of where all 3 of those players were at his age, and he's more athletic. i'm sure phoenix would love to pick him up as possible successor to nash.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. It's "I". You are not the Queen. I assume.
2. Only if you have a serious Maris obsession. And that does indeed appear to be the case.
3. I've been saying this since we drafted Bayless. And that includes watching just about every game in Summer League. So I think I can "own" that opinion for myself.
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Ooooh touchy touchy. :smiley-placko:
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. It's "I". You are not the Queen. I assume.
2. Only if you have a serious Maris obsession. And that does indeed appear to be the case.
3. I've been saying this since we drafted Bayless. And that includes watching just about every game in Summer League. So I think I can "own" that opinion for myself.



If you mean top 5-10 scoring per minute, then I might concede that - at least, a couple of years from now. But if you mean actually performing the functions usually asked of a point guard, then I think you're just wrong. Bayless has a skill that is in short supply on the Blazers (head down, drive to the basket) where only Roy and occasionally Sergio can penetrate, but league-wide it's not that rare. As I have said many times, Bayless is a pint-sized Cory Maggette. And like Maggette, that kind of player is always best used off the bench.

Incidentally, my ten-year-old says it's pronounced "Tor-timer" (like "old timer") is that right? I always assumed it was pronounced like "Mortimer".
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I believe your son is right and it is a video game character and I think it is pronouced like "old timer" but I could be wrong.

I guess we have just different opinions on Bayless. I have watched him play all his college games and SL and Blazer games and I have a way different opinion on his abilities. He was way better then Westbrook and Mayo in college and I believe he will also be better in the NBA. We will just have to wait and see but IMO he is going to be our PG and better then anything we could trade for. I think what you are seeing in the last few Blazer games is just the tip of the iceberg with his skills. He is going to be a great shooter and that will make him almost unstoppable plus he has better PG skills then Westbrook or Mayo already.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
My mistake. I didn't realize you were in fact three years old. Now I feel bad for arguing with you.

You know, you and Maris really do deserve each other.
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Oh, so you don't think you overreacted to what was an obvious joke?

You made a comment about Bayless being a shooting guard, which is an obvious Marisism. Your response was a gross overreaction, so now I'm having some fun with you. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
 
crowTrobot said:
otherwise his potential upside certainly is as a star-level scoring PG in the mold of billups, nelson, mo williams etc. if anything his PG skill set and development on both sides of the floor are ahead of where all 3 of those players were at his age, and he's more athletic. i'm sure phoenix would love to pick him up as possible successor to nash.
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Hmm. You might have something with those players. Of course, something in common with all of those players is that it took a WHILE for them to come into their own, and it also took the right environment. And actually, the only player on that list I like is Billups. I wouldn't like either of the other two on Portland.

The best case scenario for Bayless is probably Devin Harris. But
(a) Devin Harris is taller and even quicker and has longer arms.
(b) Devin Harris had more years to develop in college (and didn't he actually play PG there?) but still was a backup for a long time in the NBA.
(c) Since Devin Harris has become a star, it's in a system where he is the #1 option. That's okay for NJ but do you really want that for Portland when we have Roy, Aldridge and Oden?
 
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