Time for Chauncey to go

[Phatguysrule]

W is a W....an L is an L.

Ws and Ls are irrelevant right now. Not even a consideration, IMO.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I see no evidence at all that Billups wants out. He has said several times that he is enjoying coaching these guys. More than any other time in his coaching career. Also agree with others that lack of effort is not the problem; so far they all play very hard despite the slim chance of winning on any given night.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But was isn't now. People are talking about firing him now, for who?

so past is irrelevant.

If you can get Dantoni out of the phoenix sun and to Portland, id be for it. Good luck with that though.

so back to, who is a realistic better option?

I'm sure there are insiders that know a lot more guys, but this would be a start...

Zelimir 'Zeljko' Obradovic
Kenny Atkinson
Jordi Fernandez,
Darius Songaila,
Igor Kokoskov,
Dejan Milojevic,
Darko Rajakovic,
Ognjen Stojakovic,
Vitaly Potapenko.

I would also consider Becky Hammon. I'm not sure how that would work. A woman coaching men. NBA coaches do not have much leverage, and many guys don't have much respect for women.

I'd talk to all of them. The person with the best plan to develop a young team and build basketball culture and the ability to communicate it (including the best list of developmental and basketball minded assistants) would replace Billups.

 

[Phatguysrule]

you can criticize a lot of things about the way the players play, but "uninspired" is about the last thing I'd point at. They're working their asses off. Just look at the defense, rebounding, and deflections, etc. Effort is there. Talent isn't. Shooting especially lacking without Ant/Brog.

They just look disorganized and defeated. That has been a trend since Billups has been the coach, IMO. I've just lost confidence.

I'd love to see it change, and if that's with Billups, fine. But I've seen enough.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

1. Popovich

2. Udoka

3. Monty Williams

4. D'Antoni

Pop and Monty are showing this year what a team can do when coached correctly.

 

[blazerfan11]

Pop and Monty are showing this year what a team can do when coached correctly.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

At least he's a better coach than stotts.

Says absolutely zero evidence.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I see no evidence at all that Billups wants out. He has said several times that he is enjoying coaching these guys. More than any other time in his coaching career.

"Career"

 

[andalusian]

How do you develop a Hyundai? These are Audis and BMWs out there....we are rolling out KIAs talking about "development"?

Dude... Get on with the times...

Hyundai, Kia et al build better cars than BMW and Audi these days. Given how far ahead they are in EVs - they also build more sophisticated ones (unless your definition of sophisticated is antiquated...)

 

[BonesJones]

I'm sure the next coach will be the one this board loves for multiple years. It's bound to happen if we just keep swapping out coaches, right?

You're still hung up on Stotts. It's been three years...

 

[illmatic99]

They just look disorganized and defeated. That has been a trend since Billups has been the coach, IMO. I've just lost confidence.

I'd love to see it change, and if that's with Billups, fine. But I've seen enough.

we've largely been "in" most of the games this season. I think scouting caught up with us the last week or so. Only so much you can do when the majority of our backups played in GLeague games the night before the NBA game.

 

[Whyachi]

Dude... Get on with the times...

Hyundai, Kia et al build better cars than BMW and Audi these days. Given how far ahead they are in EVs - they also build more sophisticated ones (unless your definition of sophisticated is antiquated...)

I drive a Hyundai (aka Kia Forte) Elantra. I'm scared to floor it because I have 2 friends that blew up their Hyundai engines under low speed max throttle. I have zero confidence in the all-aluminum engines from Korea.

 

[RR7]

I think they are further ahead than that because they landed SGA in the same type of trade when Portland dumped Dame. SGA is a top-10 (ish) player and I have a very hard time believing any current Blazers is 2 or 3 years away from being a top-10 player. SGA is 25; Holmgren & Giddey are both 21; Jalen Williams is 22; Dort & Joe are 24

comparing age of starting starting units (assuming everybody healthy):

OKC: 25+24+22+21+21 = 113 = 22.6 average age

Port: 19+24+23+29+25 = 120 = 24.0 average age
(playing Sharpe out of position at SF drops the average to 23.4)

average age of the OKC roster is 23.5; Portland is 24.3

https://en.hispanosnba.com/teams/comparison

Blazers are not on an OKC track. Thunder already have an established elite talent and a lot more supporting young talent that is busy establishing themselves. In order to see major upside with the Blazers comparable to OKC you have to tilt your head, squint you eyes, and use lots of imagination. Don't have to do that with OKC. The only advantage Portland might have is that OKC may have lots and lots of trouble paying all their young players their upcoming rookie extensions

But why would we compare where OKC is NOW, (potentially 3 years ahead of where we are), and not compare OKC from 3 years ago? Seems like an odd comparison when thy acquired a lot of that young talent the last 3 years. Their exciting young core consisted of SGA, and then the potential and excitement of Darius Bazley(not currently on a roster), Theo Maledon, Lu Dort, and Poku. They went 22-50. They had the worst offense, and 24th ranked defense. Shai was talented but injury prone. Nobody was calling Shai a top 10 player then.

 

[Tince]

You're still hung up on Stotts. It's been three years...

The post you quoted said nothing about Stotts, but I'm not surprised you would bring him up, again. It has been my consistent stance that the easy, lazy narrative is to blame the coach for the short-comings of the franchise when the root problem has nothing to do with it. I don't think firing Billups is the answer.

Billups will get fired in 1-2 years, there will be a honeymoon that this new coach has drastically changed things, and then the lazy folks will start blaming the less newish coach when unrealistic expecatations aren't met.

I don't expect you to admit you were wrong though.

 

[Phatguysrule]

we've largely been "in" most of the games this season. I think scouting caught up with us the last week or so. Only so much you can do when the majority of our backups played in GLeague games the night before the NBA game.

Solid points. I just haven't been very impressed with the way the team has played under Billups. His defense isn't any better than Stotts and his offense is worlds worse.

I think we can find somebody far more experienced and talented at coaching.

But I'm by no means a Billups hater. I hope he proves me wrong, he seems like a very nice guy and I love to see former players succeed.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The team started the season projected to be in the bottom 3. Then they lost 4 important rotation players. Which means they suck even more than we anticipated. I guess I find this thread ridiculous. What did you all expect? There will be games where we play hard and lose and games where we just get blown out. The depth at the moment is horrible. I mean like really bad. No coaching is going to help until we get some players back.

This is exactly why you don't dump all your vets to free up playing time for younger players. They will get discouraged at some point and it will hurt their development instead of helping. They got this one season to be really bad then the players will start looking to leave. Losing every game takes a toll.

 

[Whyachi]

You're still hung up on Stotts. It's been three years...

technically it's been ~ 2.3 years since Olshey fired Stotts and hired Billups. I think we're closing in on exactly 2 years since the Olshey insurrection. (rumors swirled of angry Neil rants, and a mean outburst towards Blazer Legend Dan Dickau. Then Olshey FIRED... woah..)

 

[kjironman1]

you can criticize a lot of things about the way the players play, but "uninspired" is about the last thing I'd point at. They're working their asses off. Just look at the defense, rebounding, and deflections, etc. Effort is there. Talent isn't. Shooting especially lacking without Ant/Brog.

Certainly looked pretty uninspired last night.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The team started the season projected to be in the bottom 3. Then they lost 4 important rotation players. Which means they suck even more than we anticipated. I guess I find this thread ridiculous. What did you all expect?

That a team with our two most expensive players and starters, and the player we see as a franchise cornerstone (i.e., 3/5 of the lineup) wouldn't be SO dismal and uncompetitive.

 

[HailBlazers]

His defense isn't any better than Stotts and his offense is worlds worse.

Hard disagree.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That a team with our two most expensive players and starters, and the player we see as a franchise cornerstone (i.e., 3/5 of the lineup) wouldn't be SO dismal and uncompetitive.

I guess that tells you how important PGs are in this league.

 

[Whyachi]

The team started the season projected to be in the bottom 3. Then they lost 4 important rotation players. Which means they suck even more than we anticipated. I guess I find this thread ridiculous. What did you all expect? There will be games where we play hard and lose and games where we just get blown out. The depth at the moment is horrible. I mean like really bad. No coaching is going to help until we get some players back.

This is exactly why you don't dump all your vets to free up playing time for younger players. They will get discouraged at some point and it will hurt their development instead of helping. They got this one season to be really bad then the players will start looking to leave. Losing every game takes a toll.

the Blazers are flirting with the luxury tax. Portland is #17 in team payroll. Similar to Hawks, Timberwolves, this Blazers team should be medium strength, maybe might, hopefully make the playoffs. Stealth Tank Central, make games exciting, then use the trade deadline to slang vets for picks. Followed by benching everyone that's really good at basketball, including in-game benchings to secure the loss.

The other stinky teams people keep using for comparison, Spurs, Hornets, Pistons, they are all on the bottom of team salaries. Fans have zero expectations because the owner didn't spend money to add star players.

Right now, the Blazers have ~70m in contracted ballers that are on the IR. Luckily some of these guys will come back next month, which should help Portland.

Portland lost R.Williams for the season which totally sucks. The Blazers haven't won a game since Timelord had his knee injury. Rob was definitely helping this team compete.

 

[sheed30]

1. Popovich

2. Udoka

3. Monty Williams

4. D'Antoni

Lmao, Monty Williams current team is on a 11 game losing streak and worse record in the NBA.

Popovich has coached the Spurs to the same record as us.

Only Udoka has been doing well so far this season.

A great coach only goes a long way with the talent they have in front of them.

 

[kjironman1]

Hard disagree.

I’m betting they are bottom of the league in defensive rating as well as offense by the end of December.

 

[blazerfan11]

Lmao, Monty Williams current team is on a 11 game losing streak and worse record in the NBA.

Popovich has coached the Spurs to the same record as us.

Only Udoka has been doing well so far this season.

A great coach only goes a long way with the talent they have in front of them.

How many games in total have the Rockets' starters missed?

Zero.

 

[BassPlaya]

Im sorry but some of you are just simply off your rockers and cant seem to grasp any semblance of context.
Name one coach you think would make this team any better with the current roster and starting lineup?

Do not people understand that no matter how sound of an offensive or defensive plan a coach may have, when 4 of your 8 rotation players go down and some are replace ld with gleague players including a starter!, that maybe, just maybe, a plan cant be seen because half the playing roster is brand new to it and doesn't know it?

Sigh.. the life of a Blazer fan….

Amazing....isn't it? I turned to the wifey last night and said, "They're shooting 70% from 3 point range. We couldn't overcome this WITH everyone healthy".

I actually like how the coach is developing this team. The Thunder just....well...thundered us. The foul discrepancy is getting pretty ridiculous in my eyes as well.

 

[e_blazer]

I can just imagine how it would play out in the national media if the Blazers were to fire a guy as popular as Chauncey when he’s coaching a rebuilding team missing it’s top three point guards and starting a couple of G-Leaguers. Yeah, that’d go over well.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hard disagree.

The numbers when both had similar players were almost identical.

When given players who could play defense Stotts coached the team to a top 10 defense.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I can just imagine how it would play out in the national media if the Blazers were to fire a guy as popular as Chauncey when he’s coaching a rebuilding team missing it’s top three point guards and starting a couple of G-Leaguers. Yeah, that’d go over well.

Couldn't care less about that.

 

[BassPlaya]

Stotts would be better at one thing....he would rock the plaid better.

That's about it.