Time for Chauncey to go

[Rastapopoulos]

Stotts was an above-average coach. Chauncey is a below-average coach. Fair?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Stotts was an above-average coach. Chauncey is a below-average coach. Fair?

Exactly

 

[blazerkor]

Stotts was an above-average coach. Chauncey is a below-average coach. Fair?

Stotts was a really experienced coach and Chauncey is still learning. So with Stotts you knew you were getting in my opinion a very average coach, not above average and with Chauncey he doesn't look even average right now but he could become better than average and he could be getting there before we need him to be.

Right now Chauncey seems pretty bad at in game stuff, besides motivation but is that him or is it who he has trying to execute what he wants? As far as player development goes him and his staff seem pretty good but is that them or just our players?

This shit is hard to know because Chauncey has had rosters that Cronin has admitted were extremely flawed and now a rebuilding roster. It was easy to see what kind of coach Stotts was and he was decent/average but if he would have been given rosters that made sense around Dame instead of CJ constantly being the second best player on the team and a horrible fit with Dame, then we could have been a contender because all you need if you have a good roster that fits together is a decent coach.

 

[e_blazer]

Couldn't care less about that.

You don’t see a connection between what would likely be seen as an unfair firing and the ability to attract a quality coach? Just the fact that the Blazers suck and are likely to suck for multiple years probably nixes any chance of hiring a quality experienced coach. Throw in the negatives associated with firing Chauncey when he’s in a no-win position and I think you’d be lucky to get someone better.

 

[BassPlaya]

"OKC shot 71.2% from the field in the first half vs the Blazers. That's the best shooting percentage in one half by any team in the NBA this season."

 

[Phatguysrule]

You don’t see a connection between what would likely be seen as an unfair firing and the ability to attract a quality coach? Just the fact that the Blazers suck and are likely to suck for multiple years probably nixes any chance of hiring a quality experienced coach. Throw in the negatives associated with firing Chauncey when he’s in a no-win position and I think you’d be lucky to get someone better.

I don't think you fire Billups until you already have his replacement set. But we really need to be looking...

 

[e_blazer]

I don't think you fire Billups until you already have his replacement set. But we really need to be looking...

I just don’t see that happening anytime soon. If things don’t improve once Scoot, Ant and Malcolm are back, maybe, but not now.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I just don’t see that happening anytime soon. If things don’t improve once Scoot, Ant and Malcolm are back, maybe, but not now.

I'm not sure how Scoot, Ant and Malcolm come in to play. I had this opinion when they were all still healthy.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm not sure how Scoot, Ant and Malcolm come in to play. I had this opinion when they were all still healthy.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but it’s Cronin’s opinion that matters. I don’t see him cutting Chauncey loose at this point. He’s not in a hurry because nobody expects the Blazers to win, and he’s going to want to see how the full roster works as a unit before making a coaching change.

 

[BonesJones]

The post you quoted said nothing about Stotts, but I'm not surprised you would bring him up, again. It has been my consistent stance that the easy, lazy narrative is to blame the coach for the short-comings of the franchise when the root problem has nothing to do with it. I don't think firing Billups is the answer.

Billups will get fired in 1-2 years, there will be a honeymoon that this new coach has drastically changed things, and then the lazy folks will start blaming the less newish coach when unrealistic expecatations aren't met.

I don't expect you to admit you were wrong though.

You tend have this subtle context behind what you post that is very evident. "Keep swapping coaches", etc.

Your posts are rarely about basketball when coaching gets brought up. It's all just "look at the roster", "fans expect to much", "coaching doesn't matter", "fans just always want a new coach", type of stuff. Never really about the basketball, or system, or anything that coaching actually pours into. You could have a literal rock on the sideline doing the coaching and could still apply all these same responses no matter what. You could not watch a single second of basketball all season long and just look at box scores and say all this stuff. It's

 

[BonesJones]

Stotts was a really experienced coach and Chauncey is still learning. So with Stotts you knew you were getting in my opinion a very average coach, not above average and with Chauncey he doesn't look even average right now but he could become better than average and he could be getting there before we need him to be.

Right now Chauncey seems pretty bad at in game stuff, besides motivation but is that him or is it who he has trying to execute what he wants? As far as player development goes him and his staff seem pretty good but is that them or just our players?

This shit is hard to know because Chauncey has had rosters that Cronin has admitted were extremely flawed and now a rebuilding roster. It was easy to see what kind of coach Stotts was and he was decent/average but if he would have been given rosters that made sense around Dame instead of CJ constantly being the second best player on the team and a horrible fit with Dame, then we could have been a contender because all you need if you have a good roster that fits together is a decent coach.

Stotts was a better regular season coach than postseason coach. His offense translated poorly to the playoffs, and he wasn't good enough at adjustments which is what postseason basketball is about. The biggest thing is he needed Vanterpool. Things fell apart when he left.

 

[wizenheimer]

But why would we compare where OKC is NOW, (potentially 3 years ahead of where we are), and not compare OKC from 3 years ago? Seems like an odd comparison when thy acquired a lot of that young talent the last 3 years. Their exciting young core consisted of SGA, and then the potential and excitement of Darius Bazley(not currently on a roster), Theo Maledon, Lu Dort, and Poku. They went 22-50. They had the worst offense, and 24th ranked defense. Shai was talented but injury prone. Nobody was calling Shai a top 10 player then.

sorry....I guess I wasn't clear

I was responding to a post that said Portland is a young team, 2 or 3 years behind OKC, with the implication being Portland was young and needed time to catch up. But OKC now, is younger than Portland now. To me, that makes it kind of obvious that youth isn't the reason for the gap. It's talent

now maybe you can argue that Portland's talent hasn't had time to develop, and it needs that 2 or 3 years to do so. But OKC not only has SGA, they also have Holmgren, Giddy, Dort, Jalen Williams, and Isaiah Joe. Blazers don't have that kind of upside depth, at least not yet

if the argument is that Portland will be adding talents like Holmgren and Giddey in future drafts, and Sharpe will be top-10 in 2-3 years, that seems mostly fantasy

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but it’s Cronin’s opinion that matters. I don’t see him cutting Chauncey loose at this point. He’s not in a hurry because nobody expects the Blazers to win, and he’s going to want to see how the full roster works as a unit before making a coaching change.

I'm not talking about winning. I've said repeatedly that winning and losing isn't a consideration.

And I'm in here stating my opinion. Not demanding Cronin do anything.

 

[Tince]

You tend have this subtle context behind what you post that is very evident. "Keep swapping coaches", etc.

Your posts are rarely about basketball when coaching gets brought up. It's all just "look at the roster", "fans expect to much", "coaching doesn't matter", "fans just always want a new coach", type of stuff. Never really about the basketball, or system, or anything that coaching actually pours into. You could have a literal rock on the sideline doing the coaching and could still apply all these same responses no matter what. You could not watch a single second of basketball all season long and just look at box scores and say all this stuff. It's

A lot inaccurate information in your post. You appear to be projecting a narrative to deflect from your previous misjudgements. The fake quotes are also great.

I'm sure the anti-coach narrative is good for clicks because it will always resonate with a chunk of the fan base., so I get it. What I could do without even looking at a box score is predict you will think your basketball IQ is higher than the coaches in the NBA. I admire the confidence.

 

[Strenuus]

The kids are getting better. And he's been very fair in his distribution of minutes. That's all that matters to me now. And guys are picking up good habits from what I can tell.

we can fire him when we start losing games that matter because of his lack of a game plan or poor x's/o's later on.

/Thread. Thats it. This the correct answer.

 

[blazerfan11]

Look at all these injuries that OKC has had to deal with. 2 starters missed one game each!

 

[kjironman1]

A lot inaccurate information in your post. You appear to be projecting a narrative to deflect from your previous misjudgements. The fake quotes are also great.

I'm sure the anti-coach narrative is good for clicks because it will always resonate with a chunk of the fan base., so I get it. What I could do without even looking at a box score is predict you will think your basketball IQ is higher than the coaches in the NBA. I admire the confidence.

Oh boy will that go over well.

 

[BonesJones]

A lot inaccurate information in your post. You appear to be projecting a narrative to deflect from your previous misjudgements. The fake quotes are also great.

I'm sure the anti-coach narrative is good for clicks because it will always resonate with a chunk of the fan base., so I get it. What I could do without even looking at a box score is predict you will think your basketball IQ is higher than the coaches in the NBA. I admire the confidence.

Deflecting from my own misjudgements? It's funny how youre judging my judgements on something you deflect conversation away from.

Anti-coach narrative? I'm just talking basketball. I defended Chauncey all of last season. I defended him on something specific on stream a couple games ago. It's not all black and white.

You just get hung up on any criticism of coaching and make it out as if no critique could ever be valid without being willing to dive into what's being criticized in the first place.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm not talking about winning. I've said repeatedly that winning and losing isn't a consideration.

And I'm in here stating my opinion. Not demanding Cronin do anything.

Sorry for the overnight gap in responding. Maybe I should just let it go, but I don’t think I’ve really made my point clearly. Sure, you’re frustrated with Chauncey and you’re expressing your opinion that a new coach would be able to design an offense that could develop Ayton and the other young guys better than what we’re seeing now. I think that’s certainly possible. Regardless of that, I am expressing my opinion that now is not the right time for that to happen. As I mentioned above, the optics would be horrible, dumping a popular guy with media friends when he’s in a no-win position is going to result in Portland being seen as being bush league. Or, maybe I should say, more bush league than it’s already perceived to be. Secondly, now is not the time to get the coach that we’d want to lead the team when it’s time to start winning again. No established coach is going to sign up to have to take on a 60 loss season on his record unless he sees way more light at the end of the tunnel than the Blazers can currently muster up. Sharpe and Scoot are talented guys with plenty of upside, but they have a long way to go before they are certain to be franchise players. The Blazers need another successful draft and offseason in order to begin to look like an enticing destination for an established coach. I don’t see Cronin being willing to take the heat of dumping Chauncey just to have to go through a hiring process that’s just going to bring in another interim coach. My opinion is that Chauncey is secure for another year or two. Hiring another offensive oriented assistant coach is a different story. That could happen anytime.

 

[HailBlazers]

Yeah my biggest complaint with Chauncey is Scott Brooks.

 

[BassPlaya]

Sorry for the overnight gap in responding. Maybe I should just let it go, but I don’t think I’ve really made my point clearly. Sure, you’re frustrated with Chauncey and you’re expressing your opinion that a new coach would be able to design an offense that could develop Ayton and the other young guys better than what we’re seeing now. I think that’s certainly possible. Regardless of that, I am expressing my opinion that now is not the right time for that to happen. As I mentioned above, the optics would be horrible, dumping a popular guy with media friends when he’s in a no-win position is going to result in Portland being seen as being bush league. Or, maybe I should say, more bush league than it’s already perceived to be. Secondly, now is not the time to get the coach that we’d want to lead the team when it’s time to start winning again. No established coach is going to sign up to have to take on a 60 loss season on his record unless he sees way more light at the end of the tunnel than the Blazers can currently muster up. Sharpe and Scoot are talented guys with plenty of upside, but they have a long way to go before they are certain to be franchise players. The Blazers need another successful draft and offseason in order to begin to look like an enticing destination for an established coach. I don’t see Cronin being willing to take the heat of dumping Chauncey just to have to go through a hiring process that’s just going to bring in another interim coach. My opinion is that Chauncey is secure for another year or two. Hiring another offensive oriented assistant coach is a different story. That could happen anytime.

I think the relatability thing has a place here. Young coaches are all over the league. There is a division between the last two generations and the one's that were before. It's technology and social speak related. I think our coach "gets" these young guys, and they play hard for him. They trust him. That might be the most important thing at this time. The league itself will teach the youth what's needed of them, they just need to remain a team while they are figuring that out. I love that massive amount of combinations on the floor that he has employed. That info will have it's place in the coming games and seasons.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sorry for the overnight gap in responding. Maybe I should just let it go, but I don’t think I’ve really made my point clearly. Sure, you’re frustrated with Chauncey and you’re expressing your opinion that a new coach would be able to design an offense that could develop Ayton and the other young guys better than what we’re seeing now. I think that’s certainly possible. Regardless of that, I am expressing my opinion that now is not the right time for that to happen. As I mentioned above, the optics would be horrible, dumping a popular guy with media friends when he’s in a no-win position is going to result in Portland being seen as being bush league. Or, maybe I should say, more bush league than it’s already perceived to be. Secondly, now is not the time to get the coach that we’d want to lead the team when it’s time to start winning again. No established coach is going to sign up to have to take on a 60 loss season on his record unless he sees way more light at the end of the tunnel than the Blazers can currently muster up. Sharpe and Scoot are talented guys with plenty of upside, but they have a long way to go before they are certain to be franchise players. The Blazers need another successful draft and offseason in order to begin to look like an enticing destination for an established coach. I don’t see Cronin being willing to take the heat of dumping Chauncey just to have to go through a hiring process that’s just going to bring in another interim coach. My opinion is that Chauncey is secure for another year or two. Hiring another offensive oriented assistant coach is a different story. That could happen anytime.

No worries. We've all got to sleep.

I totally get that take. Simply saying my mind is made up. It could be changed, but I'm ready to move on.

Doesn't have to be an established head coach, either. Give somebody a shot.

I sincerely hope they are thinking this way and bringing in offensive as well as defensive guys and just plain developmental guys.

Hopefully they have one tabbed to replace Billups.

And again, I don't care what the media thinks about it, but nobody is going to blame Joe for firing the guy his predecessor hired in a panic to save his own ass.

And Chauncey doesn't need to be fired right now, IMO. But we should be lining up his replacement now. We need to have it nailed down rather than making a rushed decision once he does get fired.

 

[Hoopguru]

No worries. We've all got to sleep.

I totally get that take. Simply saying my mind is made up. It could be changed, but I'm ready to move on.

Doesn't have to be an established head coach, either. Give somebody a shot.

I sincerely hope they are thinking this way and bringing in offensive as well as defensive guys and just plain developmental guys.

Hopefully they have one tabbed to replace Billups.

And again, I don't care what the media thinks about it, but nobody is going to blame Joe for firing the guy his predecessor hired in a panic to save his own ass.

And Chauncey doesn't need to be fired right now, IMO. But we should be lining up his replacement now. We need to have it nailed down rather than making a rushed decision once he does get fired.

I dont bethink Joe will fire Chauncey as the coach is Joes ticket for 3-4 more years as the Rebuild Turns. I dont see the Vulcanette telling Joe to fire Chauncey either. Just my gut feel.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I dont bethink Joe will fire Chauncey as the coach is Joes ticket for 3-4 more years as the Rebuild Turns. I dont see the Vulcanette telling Joe to fire Chauncey either. Just my gut feel.

You could well be right

 

[Tince]

Deflecting from my own misjudgements? It's funny how youre judging my judgements on something you deflect conversation away from.

Anti-coach narrative? I'm just talking basketball. I defended Chauncey all of last season. I defended him on something specific on stream a couple games ago. It's not all black and white.

You just get hung up on any criticism of coaching and make it out as if no critique could ever be valid without being willing to dive into what's being criticized in the first place.

I'm happy to talk about facts. If you have a question about how I feel about something specific, go ahead and ask. Your assumptions about what I'm thinking, who I'm talking about, what I'm hung up on, etc. have been wrong the majority of the time. I don't know your track record on defending or criticizing Billups, nor do I really care, as it is unrelated to my original point in this thread.

To be clear: My post was NOT about Stotts despite you wanting to make it that way. I do not think Billups is an awful coach who gets everything wrong or a perfect coach who gets everything right. He's an inexperienced coach, who was likely unqualified for the job when hired, coaching a bad roster.

Back to the topic at hand: I don't think it's time for Billups to go, I think it would probably be a net-negative at this point.

 

[Tince]

I dont bethink Joe will fire Chauncey as the coach is Joes ticket for 3-4 more years as the Rebuild Turns. I dont see the Vulcanette telling Joe to fire Chauncey either. Just my gut feel.

Agreed. To take it a step further, I don't think ownership will let Joe fire Billups. I don't see them wanting to pay Billups for multiple seasons to not coach.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He's an inexperienced coach, who was likely unqualified for the job when hired, coaching a bad roster.

Bingo. I'm hoping we're at least looking for his replacement.
Blech... a 5 year deal...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Agreed. To take it a step further, I don't think ownership will let Joe fire Billups. I don't see them wanting to pay Billups for multiple seasons to not coach.

Blech... a 5 year deal...
If we tried to trade him we'd likely be laughed off of the bargaining table.

 

[BonesJones]

To be clear: My post was NOT about Stotts despite you wanting to make it that way. I do not think Billups is an awful coach who gets everything wrong or a perfect coach who gets everything right. He's an inexperienced coach, who was likely unqualified for the job when hired, coaching a bad roster.

Back to the topic at hand: I don't think it's time for Billups to go, I think it would probably be a net-negative at this point.

If we "keep swapping coaches", how is that only about one coach? Anyway...

Your assumptions about what I'm thinking, who I'm talking about, what I'm hung up on, etc. have been wrong the majority of the time. I don't know your track record on defending or criticizing Billups, nor do I really care, as it is unrelated to my original point in this thread.

You cared enough to try to claim I criticized him for clicks.

 

[Whyachi]

Agreed. To take it a step further, I don't think ownership will let Joe fire Billups. I don't see them wanting to pay Billups for multiple seasons to not coach.

Portland runs their team like an assembly line. It seems very compartmentalized. I don't see a basketball Guru that can help connect everything together. I think that's what makes Billups a vital person for this franchise.

Everyone in the Front Office is an accountant, scout, or happy PR person. Molding everyone else's grand ideas into a competitive NBA squad is no easy task, but Billups is trying his darndest to make it all work.

Chauncey is a competitor, he's trying to get these guys winning. And when the GM says it's time to lose, Billups excels in benching hot hands to manipulate the score.