Toronto is a good example of why we should stay the course

[kjironman1]

Or fourth coach if you include Don Nelson.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Here's a question: since Toronto should be as worried about their team as we should be about ours, we might be in positions to make a deal with each other for a big talent swap. Could moving players between teams (talent allocation) possibly help both teams?

Not sure? Both rosters are guard driven, so I'm not sure either team has what the other needs?

 

[SportsAndWhine]

They changed one major thing because he wasn't good enough to be in the future plans. Trying to say CJ or Lillard is the same as Ellis is kind of wrong on every level. They are both head and shoulders better than Monta Ellis. But i do understand the Blazers could trade one of them and get some good pieces back but they would also have to tank to get a top 10 pick to replace CJ eventually.

I was saying Mark Jackson was holding an otherwise solid lineup back. Obviously there's more to it than that, like not playing David "What's Defense?" Lee 2400 minutes.

 

[CupWizier]

I don’t hate the let it bake strategy if it seems like progress is being made. Or that team is figuring stuff out, yes the Blazers got the 3 seed but losing one more game would’ve changed that... In the playoffs though they’ve been routinely beat down for a few years now.
I feel like it’s time for some changes, but if others feel like letting it bake longer than we can agree to disageee on that.
Ultimately it seems like PA and NO want to keep the core together and they’re the ones making decisions.
Maybe we hit on our Draymond type guy in the Draft this year.

Yes, but last season we got beat by the world champions and a team that demolished all teams in their way. We just happened to play them in the first round.

 

[Strenuus]

Not the way it reads but if you are talking coach then it would be the third coach in as much time.

It was the only way i read it.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I don’t hate the let it bake strategy if it seems like progress is being made. Or that team is figuring stuff out, yes the Blazers got the 3 seed but losing one more game would’ve changed that... In the playoffs though they’ve been routinely beat down for a few years now.

This is why that con man Neil Olshey pisses me off so much... he uses the 3rd seed as a major accomplishment and says this team is making progress, then in the same sentence will say we were only one game better than the 6th seed Pelicans as an excuse for the Blazers miserable playoff performance...

 

[kjironman1]

There is a lot of hate for the "Let it Bake" strategy, which is unfounded.

Some of the top teams in the league let it bake. Most of all of the bottom teams did not.

Again, the ugly truth is that it takes a lot of luck to compete for a championship. Panic moves
are not necessarily the right moves, regardless of how much fun they are to ponder.

GSW let it bake.

SA drafted Duncan, number 1 overall, and won a title in year 2. He is arguably the greatest PF in NBA history. We are not that team. We don't have a player like him. We do not have a coach like Pop.

GS drafted Klay Thompson, and 2 time MVP Steph Curry in the lottery after sucking for years. Then got lucky with Green, fired their coach and hired a TV analyst as a coach, then signed the second best player in the world.

We have different definitions of let it bake

I responded in kind.
Yes that is the way it read. This is not just about coaching. @Strenuus
But if you would like to make it about that my comment stands. GS has had 4 coaches in 7 years. They made a number of changes at the coaching level.
Then they also traded Ellis but in no way can Ellis be compared to Lillard or CJ in my opinion.

 

[kjironman1]

I was saying Mark Jackson was holding an otherwise solid lineup back. Obviously there's more to it than that, like not playing David "What's Defense?" Lee 2400 minutes.

Mark Jackson is only one of 4 coaches they had in 7 years. Also all he had was Lee to work with at that time. I doubt Stotts would play Aminu as much if he had Green. You have to make due with who you have to play.

 

[Natebishop3]

GSW let it bake.

Golden State didn't let anything "bake."

Drafted Curry in 2009.

Drafted Klay in 2011.

Drafted Draymond in 2012.

Won a championship in 2014-2015.

How is this comparable to our team? By Steph's sixth year he was a champion.

Drafted Dame in 2012.

Drafted CJ in 2013.

Traded for Nurk in 2017.

Swept out of the first round in 2018.

By Dame's sixth year he was swept out of the first round by the 6th seed. We have a shittier core. You let the cake bake when you have a great core. We simply do not. If anything, Golden State did not let the cake bake. They traded Monta after his second season with Steph. He was averaging 24 ppg for Golden State and they traded him. He was 25 years old, averaging 24 ppg, and they dumped his ass. Who does Monta sound like? A 6'3 shooting guard who can't guard anyone and is a ball hog? Sounds vaguely familiar.

They didn't let the cake bake. They fired their coach.

"On June 6, 2011, Jackson was hired as head coach of the Golden State Warriors. He was the first head coach hired by new owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber. After inheriting a team that had made the playoffs just once in the previous 17 years, Jackson promised to turn the Warriors into a good defensive team and playoff contender.[5] However, he struggled to a 23–43 record in his first year during the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season as the team suffered several injuries to key players while adjusting to a new system. In the 2012–13 season, however, with strong plays from Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, Jackson led the Warriors to a 47–35 record and a sixth place seeding in the Western Conference. It was the first time the Warriors had made the playoffs since the 2006–07 season. The Warriors defeated the Denver Nuggets 4–2 in the first round of NBA Playoffs, but lost to the San Antonio Spurs 4–2 in the Conference Semifinals.[6]

Originally signed under a four-year, $8 million contract, Jackson earned two more years guaranteed on his contract in 2013, thus putting him under contract through 2014–15.[7] The following season, the Warriors improved to 51–31, the team's first season with 50 or more wins since 1993–94.[8] They reached the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time since 1992. However, the Warriors lost the first round of the playoffs to the Los Angeles Clippers in seven games. On May 6, 2014, Jackson was removed as head coach of the Warriors. The Warriors front office stated the team was better than when Jackson first arrived, but felt a different coach was needed for the Warriors to win an NBA championship.[5][9] The following season, head coach Steve Kerr's Warriors won the Bay Area team's first NBA title in 40 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Jackson_(basketball)

We are not the Warriors.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes, but last season we got beat by the world champions and a team that demolished all teams in their way. We just happened to play them in the first round.

What's your excuse this year?

 

[dviss1]

Golden State didn't let anything "bake."

Drafted Curry in 2009.

Drafted Klay in 2011.

Drafted Draymond in 2012.

Won a championship in 2014-2015.

How is this comparable to our team? By Steph's sixth year he was a champion.

Drafted Dame in 2012.

Drafted CJ in 2013.

Traded for Nurk in 2017.

Swept out of the first round in 2018.

By Dame's sixth year he was swept out of the first round by the 6th seed. We have a shittier core. You let the cake bake when you have a great core. We simply do not. If anything, Golden State did not let the cake bake. They traded Monta after his second season with Steph. He was averaging 24 ppg for Golden State and they traded him. He was 25 years old, averaging 24 ppg, and they dumped his ass. Who does Monta sound like? A 6'3 shooting guard who can't guard anyone and is a ball hog? Sounds vaguely familiar.

They didn't let the cake bake. They fired their coach.

"On June 6, 2011, Jackson was hired as head coach of the Golden State Warriors. He was the first head coach hired by new owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber. After inheriting a team that had made the playoffs just once in the previous 17 years, Jackson promised to turn the Warriors into a good defensive team and playoff contender.[5] However, he struggled to a 23–43 record in his first year during the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season as the team suffered several injuries to key players while adjusting to a new system. In the 2012–13 season, however, with strong plays from Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, Jackson led the Warriors to a 47–35 record and a sixth place seeding in the Western Conference. It was the first time the Warriors had made the playoffs since the 2006–07 season. The Warriors defeated the Denver Nuggets 4–2 in the first round of NBA Playoffs, but lost to the San Antonio Spurs 4–2 in the Conference Semifinals.[6]

Originally signed under a four-year, $8 million contract, Jackson earned two more years guaranteed on his contract in 2013, thus putting him under contract through 2014–15.[7] The following season, the Warriors improved to 51–31, the team's first season with 50 or more wins since 1993–94.[8] They reached the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time since 1992. However, the Warriors lost the first round of the playoffs to the Los Angeles Clippers in seven games. On May 6, 2014, Jackson was removed as head coach of the Warriors. The Warriors front office stated the team was better than when Jackson first arrived, but felt a different coach was needed for the Warriors to win an NBA championship.[5][9] The following season, head coach Steve Kerr's Warriors won the Bay Area team's first NBA title in 40 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Jackson_(basketball)

We are not the Warriors.

Tl/Dr most of it.

You lost me at the comparison to GSW. I never once compared us to them. You kinda took that and ram with it. I'm simply saying they baked. They drafted and farmed their draftees.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So, the net result of this thread is that there is no universal agreement on
what "Let it Bake" even means. Regardless of that fact, many posters know
they don't like it.... whatever it is.

 

[Natebishop3]

Tl/Dr most of it.

You lost me at the comparison to GSW. I never once compared us to them. You kinda took that and ram with it. I'm simply saying they baked. They drafted and farmed their draftees.

You can't use a team as an example of letting it bake, and then say you're not comparing us to them. You are.

And the best part is that they they didn't bake. They did the opposite of bake. They made trades.

They traded Monta.

They traded for Iggy.

They fired their coach.

They cleared half their roster so they could sign Durant.

They don't sit still. They make changes. If they had "let it bake," they'd still have Monta.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hey guys, Prince Harry is marrying a hot TV star from America.

We should all marry hot TV stars from America as well!

But I'm not comparing us to Prince Harry. I'm just saying we should all marry hot TV stars....

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You can't use a team as an example of letting it bake, and then say you're not comparing us to them. You are.

And the best part is that they they didn't bake. They did the opposite of bake. They made trades.

They traded Monta.

They traded for Iggy.

They fired their coach.

They cleared half their roster so they could sign Durant.

They don't sit still. They make changes. If they had "let it bake," they'd still have Monta.

We let Matthews walk.
We traded Batum.
We RoLo walk.
We signed ET.
We fired a coach, too.
We let our SG go.

So, I guess we haven't let it bake, either. Same with Toronto.

 

[Natebishop3]

We fired a coach, too.

And you have to continue to make moves until you find a combination that will work. Maybe if LMA hadn't walked we'd be in a different position right now, but he did. Letting Wes and Rolo walk was a byproduct of that.

Are you really bringing up McMillan as an example though? He never even coached Dame. That's not even part of this generation of Blazers.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

And you have to continue to make moves until you find a combination that will work. Maybe if LMA hadn't walked we'd be in a different position right now, but he did. Letting Wes and Rolo walk was a byproduct of that.

Are you really bringing up McMillan as an example though? He never even coached Dame. That's not even part of this generation of Blazers.

No, I was referring to our Big man coach.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, I was referring to our Big man coach.

He was fired for leaking information to the media..... and firing a big man coach is not the same thing as firing the head coach. Come on maaaaaaaaan.

 

[kjironman1]

Hey guys, Prince Harry is marrying a hot TV star from America.

We should all marry hot TV stars from America as well!

But I'm not comparing us to Prince Harry. I'm just saying we should all marry hot TV stars....

I already married a "Hot TV Star".

 

[Natebishop3]

I already married a "Hot TV Star".

What's it like being married to Kingspeed?

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Mark Jackson is only one of 4 coaches they had in 7 years. Also all he had was Lee to work with at that time. I doubt Stotts would play Aminu as much if he had Green. You have to make due with who you have to play.

Does Mark Jackson win a championship in 2014?

 

[Chris Craig]

Toronto is not a good example

 

[riverman]

Golden State didn't let anything "bake."

Drafted Curry in 2009.

Drafted Klay in 2011.

Drafted Draymond in 2012.

Won a championship in 2014-2015.

How is this comparable to our team? By Steph's sixth year he was a champion.

Drafted Dame in 2012.

Drafted CJ in 2013.

Traded for Nurk in 2017.

Swept out of the first round in 2018.

By Dame's sixth year he was swept out of the first round by the 6th seed. We have a shittier core. You let the cake bake when you have a great core. We simply do not. If anything, Golden State did not let the cake bake. They traded Monta after his second season with Steph. He was averaging 24 ppg for Golden State and they traded him. He was 25 years old, averaging 24 ppg, and they dumped his ass. Who does Monta sound like? A 6'3 shooting guard who can't guard anyone and is a ball hog? Sounds vaguely familiar.

They didn't let the cake bake. They fired their coach.

"On June 6, 2011, Jackson was hired as head coach of the Golden State Warriors. He was the first head coach hired by new owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber. After inheriting a team that had made the playoffs just once in the previous 17 years, Jackson promised to turn the Warriors into a good defensive team and playoff contender.[5] However, he struggled to a 23–43 record in his first year during the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season as the team suffered several injuries to key players while adjusting to a new system. In the 2012–13 season, however, with strong plays from Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, Jackson led the Warriors to a 47–35 record and a sixth place seeding in the Western Conference. It was the first time the Warriors had made the playoffs since the 2006–07 season. The Warriors defeated the Denver Nuggets 4–2 in the first round of NBA Playoffs, but lost to the San Antonio Spurs 4–2 in the Conference Semifinals.[6]

Originally signed under a four-year, $8 million contract, Jackson earned two more years guaranteed on his contract in 2013, thus putting him under contract through 2014–15.[7] The following season, the Warriors improved to 51–31, the team's first season with 50 or more wins since 1993–94.[8] They reached the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time since 1992. However, the Warriors lost the first round of the playoffs to the Los Angeles Clippers in seven games. On May 6, 2014, Jackson was removed as head coach of the Warriors. The Warriors front office stated the team was better than when Jackson first arrived, but felt a different coach was needed for the Warriors to win an NBA championship.[5][9] The following season, head coach Steve Kerr's Warriors won the Bay Area team's first NBA title in 40 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Jackson_(basketball)

We are not the Warriors.

Yet we beat the Warriors twice in February....Steve Kerr has respect for the Blazers...has pointed us out as a dangerous team many times....I think you underestimate the team....Golden State is the cream of the NBA....this is not news. 29 other NBA teams are not going to be Golden State anytime soon either

 

[Reep]

You were indeed wrong.

We signed ET. That doesn't mean that if we made no trades or signings for the next year, we didn't "let it bake".

One trade does not counter a bake.

I disagree. The GS backcourt at the time was Curry and Ellis. If they would have let it bake, they would have never replaced Ellis with Klay. I understand they drafted Klay before they traded Ellis, but the Curry Ellis backcourt is the closest example I have ever seen to what we have now. GS took a chance on trading Monte as he was a key scorer for them. That bet paid off quite well. I would like the Blazers to learn from history.

 

[Chris Craig]

I disagree. The GS backcourt at the time was Curry and Ellis. If they would have let it bake, they would have never replaced Ellis with Klay. I understand they drafted Klay before they traded Ellis, but the Curry Ellis backcourt is the closest example I have ever seen to what we have now. GS took a chance on trading Monte as he was a key scorer for them. That bet paid off quite well. I would like the Blazers to learn from history.

I agree. Trade CJs ass now

 

[CupWizier]

What's your excuse this year?

We had you as a "fan".

 

[CupWizier]

I disagree. The GS backcourt at the time was Curry and Ellis. If they would have let it bake, they would have never replaced Ellis with Klay. I understand they drafted Klay before they traded Ellis, but the Curry Ellis backcourt is the closest example I have ever seen to what we have now. GS took a chance on trading Monte as he was a key scorer for them. That bet paid off quite well. I would like the Blazers to learn from history.

I disagree. The GS backcourt at the time was Curry and Ellis. If they would have let it bake, they would have never replaced Ellis with Klay. I understand they drafted Klay before they traded Ellis, but the Curry Ellis backcourt is the closest example I have ever seen to what we have now. GS took a chance on trading Monte as he was a key scorer for them. That bet paid off quite well. I would like the Blazers to learn from history.

McCollum is a much better player than Ellis.

 

[Chris Craig]

McCollum is a much better player than Ellis.

Dame and CJ don't work together...they never will.

 

[dviss1]

You can't use a team as an example of letting it bake, and then say you're not comparing us to them. You are.

And the best part is that they they didn't bake. They did the opposite of bake. They made trades.

They traded Monta.

They traded for Iggy.

They fired their coach.

They cleared half their roster so they could sign Durant.

They don't sit still. They make changes. If they had "let it bake," they'd still have Monta.

Fair enough. They traded Monta because they developed Klay. They still have kept the majority of their core intact and have been able to because they've drafted and developed well (Draymond etc.).

Having a well developed core has made them FA players.

 

[dviss1]

Dame and CJ don't work together...they never will.

Opinion.