Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

[SharpesTriumph]

That would give us a return of Ayton, Clarke, Thad, Dick, and 4 1sts.

Spent 5 minutes squinting my eyes to see the Dick jokes but I'm missing it.

 

[RR7]

I'd be ok with overpaying on OG's new contract, because our two(hopeful) stars in Scoot and Sharpe are on rookie contracts. It's kind of like how you don't want to overpay RBs in NFL, but it's ok to do if your QB is still on his rookie deal.

 

[Hoopguru]

Joe needs to swing for fence and build around Scoot and Shae. If he takes the slow brew route and wants to be irrelevant for another 4-5 years for picks, he'll lose theses guys.
Sac had to swing a couple years ago by committing to Fox with a trade for Sabonis. They knew they had to be aggressive and still are in order to keep him there.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd be ok with overpaying on OG's new contract, because our two(hopeful) stars in Scoot and Sharpe are on rookie contracts. It's kind of like how you don't want to overpay RBs in NFL, but it's ok to do if your QB is still on his rookie deal.

Yeah I'd have probably gone younger and acquired picks as that has many advantages.

But there are different clear different advantages to trying to get OG/Ayton type starters immediately that are young but also able to win now. It's a better environment for Scoot and Sharpe to develop skills than on a 20 win team. So I'm coming around to the idea.

Just love the thought of Miami fans losing their shit. Not sure how I went from rooting for this team possibly more than any in the playoffs to now reelevating in their misery.

 

[Samuel]

I was listening to Marang and it sounds like right now the smoke is surrounding Portland/Toronto/Phoenix and maybe a 4th team like the Pacers.

The fact that Dame's camp leaked a report today saying specifically that Dame would not be happy with Toronto is a huge sign that they're worried that's where he would be going. Which, to me, is SO hypocritical. Dude kept saying he wants to win, and the Raptors have some really nice pieces to put around him. He'd have a legit shot at competing.

I think the more that dame's camp says stuff like that, the more it loses its power.

and they're at like round 5 of repeating it publicly at this point, and you can't really escalate 'he'd ask out at any other team' rhetorically. 'he'd stab another star player if he went there!' doesn't work.

 

[Freshtown]

Dream scenario is OG, Dick, and 3 picks.

Then find a team willing to give up 2-3 picks for OG, assuming he agrees to resign wherever he’s traded.

 

[Samuel]

Dream scenario is OG, Dick, and 3 picks.

Then find a team willing to give up 2-3 picks for OG, assuming he agrees to resign wherever he’s traded.

this is right. people need to stop thinking about og and ayton as final pieces and think about them as zip folders full of picks.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think the more that dame's camp says stuff like that, the more it loses its power.

and they're at like round 5 of repeating it publicly at this point, and you can't really escalate 'he'd ask out at any other team' rhetorically. 'he'd stab another star player if he went there!' doesn't work.

Yeah - I could see some small markets not wanting to deal with the drama of it though.

But Toronto with a title doing the same thing and Masai being super stubborn might be the perfect team to not care at all about those threats.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Woah there, buddy. I didn’t say they are easily acquired, but that there are guys of that caliber out there.

My original point being you can’t teach height, alluding to the amount of talent at PF/C in 2024. You’re right, they are a premium. Which is why, I’d rather draft that guy and have him team controlled for 7+ years.

Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress. You can want anything you want, but that doesn't mean it's walking through that door. If Rupert or someone else becomes that guy, you can easily move OG for a whole host of assets.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

this is right. people need to stop thinking about og and ayton as final pieces and think about them as zip folders full of picks.

I think of them as a fun group to start the season with - then assuming the losing happens we consider flipping them along with Grant, etc at the deadline.

Everyone will be very glad to move on from the Dame dark cloud era too.

 

[BankTeller]

Dream scenario is OG, Dick, and 3 picks.

Then find a team willing to give up 2-3 picks for OG, assuming he agrees to resign wherever he’s traded.

Good luck trying to get 3 1sts from Masai. 2 would be realistic. But I do think we could get 2-3 1sts for OG.

Memphis was apparently willing to give up a young prospect and ‘multiple 1sts’ for OG at the deadline.

 

[HansenYang]

Good players get paid. If you want to be a good team you need to pay good players.

Some mediocre players also get paid. It's imperative not to pay the mediocre players star salaries.

 

[BankTeller]

I think of them as a fun group to start the season with - then assuming the losing happens we consider flipping them along with Grant, etc at the deadline.

Everyone will be very glad to move on from the Dame dark cloud era too.

Taking this approach with OG is playing with fire imo. UFA, so unless have a deal set in place like we did with Ant, Nurk, and Grant, I’d be semi-worried. I would really root to lose this year, which could possibly result in OG leaving.

I don’t really know how to feel. I could be swayed either direction, but I’m leaning towards more 1sts.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Taking this approach with OG is playing with fire imo. UFA, so unless have a deal set in place like we did with Ant, Nurk, and Grant, I’d be semi-worried. I would really root to lose this year, which could possibly result in OG leaving.

I don’t really know how to feel. I could be swayed either direction, but I’m leaning towards more 1sts.

Draft is MUCH weaker this year so there is very little incentive to tank.

Just try to win and develop the young guys. If we look up in February and have a ton of losses worry about tanking then.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Some mediocre players also get paid. It's imperative not to pay the mediocre players star salaries.

So you're suggesting OG is a mediocre player?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Taking this approach with OG is playing with fire imo. UFA, so unless have a deal set in place like we did with Ant, Nurk, and Grant, I’d be semi-worried. I would really root to lose this year, which could possibly result in OG leaving.

I don’t really know how to feel. I could be swayed either direction, but I’m leaning towards more 1sts.

Portland will overpay like they always do so I think he'll stay.

 

[BankTeller]

Portland will overpay like they always do so I think he'll stay.

I could be swayed either direction, I’m just worried about the guy not re-signing here. I love OG.

And the injury concerns are always going to worry me as well. The life of a Blazers fan, am I right?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I could be swayed either direction, I’m just worried about the guy not re-signing here. I love OG and can be swayed either direction.

And the injury concerns are always going to worry me as well. The life of a Blazers fan, am I right?

Everyone we get in the post-Dame era won't work. It rarely happens that way. We need to acquire as much talent and see what works and what doesn't. If OG doesn't work out, we give him the money and move him like we'll do with Grant. He has a lot of value.

 

[illmatic99]

So Jake Fischer says Toronto is currently the frontrunner in pursuit of Dame.

Way too much noise about this lately. Don't think it's a coincidence that Amick also had an article today about how Dame does not want to go there.

 

[Samuel]

the dame argument against Toronto is a tricky one for him. The literal last time masai did a move like this his team immediately won a chip.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm watching a Raptors fan who is a Youtuber who is saying he'd give up Barnes for Dame. I actually think giving up Barnes makes more sense than giving up OG from their perspective.

 

[wizenheimer]

as for Dame not wanting Toronto....are there any tax accountants here?

I ask because of the 216M dollars Dame is owed: no state tax in Florida; Dame could save 15-20M in tax between Oregon and Florida. I'd imagine the taxes for him in Canada might be higher

 

[e_blazer]

as for Dame not wanting Toronto....are there any tax accountants here?

I ask because of the 216M dollars Dame is owed: no state tax in Florida; Dame could save 15-20M in tax between Oregon and Florida. I'd imagine the taxes for him in Canada might be higher

Just a quick look, but he would pay about $14.4 M Canadian on the half of his salary he would earn from the 41 home games. That’s 10.6M in US dollars and it includes both Federal and provincial taxes.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

as for Dame not wanting Toronto....are there any tax accountants here?

I ask because of the 216M dollars Dame is owed: no state tax in Florida; Dame could save 15-20M in tax between Oregon and Florida. I'd imagine the taxes for him in Canada might be higher

Well I do have a CPA.... it's only half his NBA salary that taxable in Canada, yes obviously less in a no tax state like FL or TX. People normally overstated this benefit though. If Dame claimed residence in Florida he could save on all non basketball income taxes too.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Just a quick look, but he would pay about $14.4 M Canadian on the half of his salary he would earn from the 41 home games. That’s 10.6M in US dollars and it includes both Federal and provincial taxes.

Dame would get a huge credit for his US taxes for most of what he pays Canada so it's not nearly that much. But yes more than Florida.

 

[TBpup]

I was listening to Marang and it sounds like right now the smoke is surrounding Portland/Toronto/Phoenix and maybe a 4th team like the Pacers.

The fact that Dame's camp leaked a report today saying specifically that Dame would not be happy with Toronto is a huge sign that they're worried that's where he would be going. Which, to me, is SO hypocritical. Dude kept saying he wants to win, and the Raptors have some really nice pieces to put around him. He'd have a legit shot at competing.

Dame has really backtracked from his, 'I just want a chance to compete and win' comments. Not wanting to go to Toronto to play with Siakam, Barnes, Poetl, Trent, Schroeder, Achiuwa, etc? That is a pretty solid line-up. Certainly an opportunity to compete.

So he wasn't being straight up before?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Would Toronto trade the OG package for the Miami package? Would Miami?

 

[Natebishop3]

Would Toronto trade the OG package for the Miami package? Would Miami?

Maybe. I think OG for Herro, Jovic, Jaquez and two picks is fair value. But OG isn’t even in the same universe as Dame.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Maybe. I think OG for Herro, Jovic, Jaquez and two picks is fair value. But OG isn’t even in the same universe as Dame.

But Toronto would probably give up Dick, a pick, Boucher so it's not just OG. Seems like Toronto net package is clearly superior, right?

 

[speeds]

@speeds What do you think most Toronto fans would think of acquiring Dame for OG/Boucher/Dick/2 picks?

First off nice name, I read Tiger when I was like 16 and loved it.

There's a problem with this but I'll start by saying that Raps fans would love it. They are willing to trade OG and they are not sold on Dick as of right now, not totally at least (also, is it only 30-days from signing a rookie contract? that has lapsed if so, the trade moratorium). They think it was a low-ceiling pick. With that being said, if Giannis is at all available, Ujiri will surely spend his assets there.