Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

[illmatic99]

It’s light years different money in Miami than it would be in Toronto. The tax difference is staggering

And the marketing opportunities being the face of the only team in a country far surpass what he could get in Miami.

Toronto is one of the largest cities in North America and the Raptors have a far greater reach than the Heat.

And... Drake.

 

[Graduate32]

me, I’d collect the best shooter in the draft who has some potential upside defensively vs Jaquez who might have issues defending at the NBA level.

(and I don’t even like gradey dick that much)

Given the recent happenings, I actually went back for another look at Gradey Dick, mostly through scouting videos. He'll never be a star or particularly great defensively, but I do think his long-term upside is being a bit undersold. He certainly can shoot, but he can also pass, cut, and shows are really advanced feel for the game. His potential to me reads as a bigger, longer, and better playmaking Kyle Korver. It may not sound particularly sexy, but it can result in a pretty impactful player on a good team.

 

[illmatic99]

Would rather flip OG now when he has more value instead of him helping us play our way into a worse lottery pick then potentially getting less for him at the deadline. They have years to identify the best starting frontcourt next to Scoot & Sharpe. Maximizing assets and having multiple chances at getting those guys as they come into the league makes more sense to me.

OG is 26. Not 36.

 

[HansenYang]

Jaquez, like Dick, is an NBA ready player. Jovic is a project.

If you look at Raptors’ forums, maybe were unhappy with Dick because of his low ceiling. You already drafted a low ceiling player in Murray, so it’s better to get a project who has a much higher ceiling than any of the guys mentioned.

Dick has a higher ceiling (by far) than any of these other guys.

Jovic => maybe gets to be a decent bench player

Jaquez => maybe becomes Josh Hart type

Dick => can become a healthy Gordon Hayward

 

[Samuel]

But sure, let's flip guys for picks from good teams and go into purgatory once again.

you don't have to keep them. but if it works, you can. allow time and information to be the guide here.

the west is going to be punishing every night regardless.

 

[RR7]

It's a no from me.

 

[BankTeller]

Dick has a higher ceiling (by far) than any of these other guys.

Jovic => maybe gets to be a decent bench player

Jaquez => maybe becomes Josh Hart type

Dick => can become a healthy Gordon Hayward

The bias is strong with this one lol.

Alright dude.

 

[Tince]

To me, the treadmill was going into every season knowing that the most likely outcome was a first round exit. I don’t see how adding Scoot, OG and Ayton would guarantee that. I honestly have no idea how good that team would be this year, next year, or three years from now. So I’m not sure how anyone could toss the treadmill label on them.

Scoot and Shae are part of that. We really don’t know how good they will be, how quickly they will develop, etc.

I get what you're saying regarding running a similar team back. I was talking about the probability that Scoot or Sharpe will be "greatness".

 

[Samuel]

It's not that Gradey Dick is all that good, it's that Jovic and Jaquez are meh burgers. I didn't realize how many Jaquez/Jovic heads there were in the chat. I've seen the tape—what am I missing? (seriously)

 

[Tince]

I don't think he'd need to be the focal point. But he could be A focal point.

Sure. Technically anyone could be a focal point. But few can be "the center of interest or activity" of an offense on a winning team. I do not believe Ayton is that guy.

Having said that, I see value in trying to bring him in next to Scoot.

 

[Tince]

Great-- another lottery pick!

Trust the process!

 

[Tince]

What I see is that Scoot and Ayton should be good/very good at putting pressure on the hoop.
It's already very difficult to stop Scoot from getting where he wants to go, but if he had a teammate center with the size, hands, and finishing ability that Ayton has, the other team would probably have to have 3-4 defenders sagging in, then you pop it out to an open 3-point shooter or someone else cutting to the hoop.

Ayton becomes a very important part of the offense whether he scores or not.
It's a pick-your-poison offense which I think is what every good offense strives for.

Ayton has some nice tools. Ayton greatly benefits from having someone create for him. Scoot, like most PGs could benefit from multiple options.

Ayton being a part of the offense makes far more sense to me than being the focal point.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm just going to say again that if Indy likes OG enough to give us Walker and send McConnell to the Suns. Also if we send Thad to the Suns along with Nurk. Then we could end up with:

Scoot, Shae, Jarace, Jerami (til the trade deadline), Ayton, Ant (we'll see how long), Dick, Matisse, Kris, Moses, Nas, Keon Jabari... That's a fucking exciting young roster. It probably won't make the playoffs this season especially after trading Jerami for picks and expirings but it's exciting where they could go.

 

[RR7]

I'm just going to say again that if Indy likes OG enough to give us Walker and send McConnell to the Suns. Also if we send Thad to the Suns along with Nurk. Then we could end up with"

Scoot, Shae, Jarace, Jerami (til the trade deadline), Ayton, Ant (we'll see how long), Dick, Matisse, Kris, Moses, Nas, Keon Jabari... That's a fucking exciting young roster. It probably won't make the playoffs this season especially after trading Jerami for picks and expirings but it's exciting where they could go.

I think a looming issue would be 4 guys on rookie contracts. I think ideally, and especially with the new cap structure, you always have some top tier guys, some middle, and some low. If all those guys hit, you absolutely can't retain them all reasonably, and they'd all need to re-up around the same time period.
I mentioned elsewhere I don't mind overpaying OG and Aton because their deals would be dwindling as Scoot and Sharpe(hopefully!) are set to get their max deals. Our future is ultimately, for now, tied o the two of them, so the $$ side of everything needs to be viewed that way as well. Overpay guys now, lock them in to our culture and hopefully winning soon with that future backcourt, and then keep them around cheaper later. Versus 4 rookies/2nd year players all maxing at the same time.

 

[Graduate32]

I'm just going to say again that if Indy likes OG enough to give us Walker and send McConnell to the Suns. Also if we send Thad to the Suns along with Nurk. Then we could end up with:

Scoot, Shae, Jarace, Jerami (til the trade deadline), Ayton, Ant (we'll see how long), Dick, Matisse, Kris, Moses, Nas, Keon Jabari... That's a fucking exciting young roster. It probably won't make the playoffs this season especially after trading Jerami for picks and expirings but it's exciting where they could go.

Love the idea, but I don't think there is even the slightest chance that an expiring OG can get you Walker from the Pacers. They are, rightly, very high in him.

 

[blazerkor]

I think a looming issue would be 4 guys on rookie contracts. I think ideally, and especially with the new cap structure, you always have some top tier guys, some middle, and some low. If all those guys hit, you absolutely can't retain them all reasonably, and they'd all need to re-up around the same time period.
I mentioned elsewhere I don't mind overpaying OG and Aton because their deals would be dwindling as Scoot and Sharpe(hopefully!) are set to get their max deals. Our future is ultimately, for now, tied o the two of them, so the $$ side of everything needs to be viewed that way as well. Overpay guys now, lock them in to our culture and hopefully winning soon with that future backcourt, and then keep them around cheaper later. Versus 4 rookies/2nd year players all maxing at the same time.

I think it would be cool, if in three years they've all already hit then that will be a great problem to have and we can figure out which guys we have to have and which guys need to be moved. Most likely at least two of the three will be role playing starters and the other two might be all stars but that seems wildly optimistic. I say that right now we should be as ambitious as possible acquiring young talent and watch it sort itself out.

 

[blazerkor]

Love the idea, but I don't think there is even the slightest chance that an expiring OG can get you Walker from the Pacers. They are, rightly, very high in him.

I'm not cool with taking on OG as a rental and the most valuable piece in the Dame trade, so we'll have to find a place to flip him before pulling the trigger.

 

[Samuel]

I think a looming issue would be 4 guys on rookie contracts. I think ideally, and especially with the new cap structure, you always have some top tier guys, some middle, and some low. If all those guys hit, you absolutely can't retain them all reasonably, and they'd all need to re-up around the same time period.
I mentioned elsewhere I don't mind overpaying OG and Aton because their deals would be dwindling as Scoot and Sharpe(hopefully!) are set to get their max deals. Our future is ultimately, for now, tied o the two of them, so the $$ side of everything needs to be viewed that way as well. Overpay guys now, lock them in to our culture and hopefully winning soon with that future backcourt, and then keep them around cheaper later. Versus 4 rookies/2nd year players all maxing at the same time.

Hitting on all 4 would be a great problem to have. The reality is that it's more likely to be 2 continuing with the team. I'll take that problem every time.

 

[Samuel]

I'm not cool with taking on OG as a rental and the most valuable piece in the Dame trade, so we'll have to find a place to flip him before pulling the trigger.

are you really going to get a better value for him now vs at the deadline?

 

[inconceivable]

Cronin needs to wait

The more teams place serious offers fpr Dame, the higher his value becomes

I will make a ridiculous example to make my point

Let's say Toronto Offers Barnes, filler, 5 FRPs

Not gunna happen, right? But let's say that was the best offer for Dame

Can Dame tell Cronin with a straight face to accept Miami's subpar offer? Of course not.

So, for Dame to get his wish of taking his talents to South Beach, Miami must match or exceed the best offer out there.

Cronin's goal: Make Miami match best offer

Waiting only increases Dame's value because crazy things happen in the NBA between September and February

 

[BonesJones]

OG is 26. Not 36.

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sure. Technically anyone could be a focal point. But few can be "the center of interest or activity" of an offense on a winning team. I do not believe Ayton is that guy.

Having said that, I see value in trying to bring him in next to Scoot.

Yep. I don't think he'd have to be that here.

 

[BonesJones]

help me out on this one because I'm scratching my head at this logic.

what?

I'd rather have a Jovic and Jaquez then Gradey Dick. Albeit I don't like Gradey as a prospect. Jovic clears the gap between Jaquez and him.

 

[Natebishop3]

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

Yeah but that’s fine. You don’t want the whole team to be 20 years old or you end up like the rockets.

 

[Phatguysrule]

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

Which is good. You need some experience. The Spurs always had older guys. So did the Warriors.

 

[Samuel]

Yeah but that’s fine. You don’t want the whole team to be 20 years old or you end up like the rockets.

never go full rockets.

 

[illmatic99]

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

Perfect.

A vet entering his prime to show the youngins how to play pro ball.

You seem to want to replicate the fiasco in Houston. My vision for our rebuild is different.

 

[Samuel]

I'd rather have a Jovic and Jaquez then Gradey Dick. Albeit I don't like Gradey as a prospect. Jovic clears the gap between Jaquez and him.

that's fair. I wish I could get there with either of them.

 

[BonesJones]

I think a looming issue would be 4 guys on rookie contracts. I think ideally, and especially with the new cap structure, you always have some top tier guys, some middle, and some low. If all those guys hit, you absolutely can't retain them all reasonably, and they'd all need to re-up around the same time period.
I mentioned elsewhere I don't mind overpaying OG and Aton because their deals would be dwindling as Scoot and Sharpe(hopefully!) are set to get their max deals. Our future is ultimately, for now, tied o the two of them, so the $$ side of everything needs to be viewed that way as well. Overpay guys now, lock them in to our culture and hopefully winning soon with that future backcourt, and then keep them around cheaper later. Versus 4 rookies/2nd year players all maxing at the same time.

The problem is, there isn't much of a window to contention (if theres any at all) before Scoot and Sharpe are paid. There window is what we should be focused on.

So before our core is ready to lead a contender, we're paying high dollar signs to these guys instead of maximizing our draft picks. How does that maximize the chances to win a championship with Scoot and Sharpe?

Because if those guys are "dwindling" by the time that core is ready, why should we value them at all? Having 3 or 4 young up-and-coming stars isn't worse than that because they're on the same timeline, it's better. And you can always trade one of them for depth (which should return more than trading Ayton/OG down the line). Plus we'd have more assets for that window. We'd have enough flexibility and power to build the team however we wanted around a core of more than one star player.

 

[HansenYang]

The bias is strong with this one lol.

Alright dude.

Why do you think Im biased? Where/why do you think Im wrong here?

Both Dick & Jaquez should be better than Murray.

Or is it just that I don't see Jovic being able to become a good rotation player?