Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

[BonesJones]

Perfect.

A vet entering his prime to show the youngins how to play pro ball.

You seem to want to replicate the fiasco in Houston. My vision for our rebuild is different.

That's a lot of money and risk to take on for a veteran mentor.

I don't want to replicate Houston. They have no leadership and have problems in the locker room. Scoots a better leader than anyone in their locker room. Overpaying for Brooks and VanVleet was an awful decision too. Don't know where you're getting that from.

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah but that’s fine. You don’t want the whole team to be 20 years old or you end up like the rockets.

The whole team doesn't have to be 20 year olds in order to maximize a window 4-7 years down the line.

 

[riverman]

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

No, the core is Grant, Thybulle Ant and for now Nurk wwith Sharpe and Scoot being the young guys. Even Murray is Ant's age..I think Reath is Grant's age too...Moses Brown is not a teen anymore either. We're young but our vets are 24-29

 

[HansenYang]

I'm not cool with taking on OG as a rental and the most valuable piece in the Dame trade, so we'll have to find a place to flip him before pulling the trigger.

Disagree.

First, I don't believe OG would be a rental. I think he'll resign with whomever trades for him. I anticipate his contract to be similar to what Grant is being paid. Between OG or Grant (on the same contracts) I'd 100% pick OG.

Second, I don't believe that it is good for the development of the team to go with all rookies/young players. The team needs good veteran players moreso than additional rookies or draft picks. Building good HABITS ARE IMPORTANT.

Third, Portland always has the opportunity to trade the players who don't fit later in the season.

 

[BonesJones]

Which is good. You need some experience. The Spurs always had older guys. So did the Warriors.

Golden State took multiple years developing their core and both teams had top 25 players of all time. If we had a championship core that we were adding Scoot too (like Tim Duncan did) then sure, but we don't. This team is not positioned to win a championship anytime soon and when they are, they can add veterans.

Also, the vets on both of those teams weren't being paid max contracts. They were role guys, which should be really easy to add with a boatload of assets.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Golden State took multiple years developing their core and both teams had top 25 players of all time. If we had a championship core that we were adding Scoot too (like Tim Duncan did) then sure, but we don't. This team is not positioned to win a championship anytime soon and when they are, they can add veterans.

Also, the vets on both of those teams weren't being paid max contracts. They were role guys, which should be really easy to add with a boatload of assets.

As long as we get the talent in we should be able to pay them.

If paying them is a problem then we don't have a chance anyway.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[Samuel]

that's one of those mouth-foamy heat podcast guys as the source.

 

[inconceivable]

“We have advised agent Aaron Goodwin and Lillard that any future comments, made privately to teams or publicly, suggesting Lillard will not fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade will subject Lillard to discipline by the NBA. We also have advised the Players Association that any similar comments by players or their agents will be subject to discipline going forward.” - NBA Commissioner Adolf Silver

 

[Natebishop3]

God I’m tired of aggregators. It’s just a million scrubs rehashing something that a real journalist reported as their own.

 

[wizenheimer]

I wonder why it is that when rumors like this come out they are all coming from Miami 'sources'...?

 

[BankTeller]

Okay, okay, so…

- Ayton has BEEN wanting a bigger role in the Suns offence

- OG has been reported to want a larger role in the offense for multiple seasons

- Scoot is our rookie PG who we are hanging our hopes on, he SHOULD be getting the highest usage

- Sharpe should be upping his ball handling opportunities because he is also part of the future, but will be stuck behind vets

Let’s factor in the fact that Ant and Grant are still here. At some point, not everyone is going to be happy with their situation. Ayton could produce more and flourish with higher usage, but could become a malcontent with 2 more years left. OG could become this guy everyone wants, but could leave if he feels like he isn’t being used more than he wants.

The main goal of the season should be to make sure Scoot and Sharpe have the time to develop. Sharpe is likely to get the least usage out of those four because he’s probably going to defer to the vets, but we want him to make mistakes now rather than later.

 

[blazerkor]

Cronin needs to wait

The more teams place serious offers fpr Dame, the higher his value becomes

I will make a ridiculous example to make my point

Let's say Toronto Offers Barnes, filler, 5 FRPs

Not gunna happen, right? But let's say that was the best offer for Dame

Can Dame tell Cronin with a straight face to accept Miami's subpar offer? Of course not.

So, for Dame to get his wish of taking his talents to South Beach, Miami must match or exceed the best offer out there.

Cronin's goal: Make Miami match best offer

Waiting only increases Dame's value because crazy things happen in the NBA between September and February

If the Raptors guaranteed their 2024 FRP to the Spurs they could then offer us FRPs in 2026, '28 and '30. If they combined that with Barnes and filler the Heat wouldn't have any way to beat that because Barnes is 22 with arguably the upside of Bam who at 26 is probably who he is and we all know that they're not trying to trade Bam or Jimmy in a package for Dame they're trying to trade for Dame to put him with Bam and Jimmy.

So honestly the Raptors don't even have to empty their coffers to blow out of the water what the Heat can offer. That's why unless there is significant interest that we can gauge from teams that aren't the Heat we don't have to wait if Toronto really comes with it because even if it were OG, filler, Dick, Precious and a FRP or two, there wouldn't be a reason to call the Heat, they can't beat that fucking offer.

 

[blazerfan11]

And the core is 6 and 7 years younger than him respectively.

What about the salary situation?

I think Scoot is going to be good quickly, and being a point guard, should be surrounded by the best complementary players possible NOW while it's affordable.

The Blazers should go for it and get some high-level talent for the next few years.

It would be a shame if Scoot comes out ready to win and Cronin doesn't try to get guys like OG and Deandre Ayton.

 

[inconceivable]

If the Raptors guaranteed their 2024 FRP to the Spurs they could then offer us FRPs in 2026, '28 and '30. If they combined that with Barnes and filler the Heat wouldn't have any way to beat that because Barnes is 22 with arguably the upside of Bam who at 26 is probably who he is and we all know that they're not trying to trade Bam or Jimmy in a package for Dame they're trying to trade for Dame to put him with Bam and Jimmy.

So honestly the Raptors don't even have to empty their coffers to blow out of the water what the Heat can offer. That's why unless there is significant interest that we can gauge from teams that aren't the Heat we don't have to wait if Toronto really comes with it because even if it were OG, filler, Dick, Precious and a FRP or two, there wouldn't be a reason to call the Heat, they can't beat that fucking offer.

And that's why miami media is trying hard to scare other teams because they know their best offer outside of their best players whom they're not willing to trade are too low, all while acting tough declaring, "we dare portland to find better offer elsewhere"

 

[BankTeller]

Someone needs to bump the threads around the 2023 draft. I’m curious to know how many people who flip-flopped from

“Sharpe doesn’t fit the timeline, we’re trying to win and he needs to be on a losing team so he has the time to learn and make mistakes. Draft Murray, he’s NBA ready!!!”

to

“OMG Ayton and OG!!! With 2nd year Sharpe and rookie Scoot, we can win games!!!”

If you were in that camp last year, this is the opportunity you wanted Sharpe to have. But post-Dame trade, Sharpe would now be stuck behind:

- Ant, who we want to increase value on
- Scoot, the future PG
- OG, who wants a bigger role
- Ayton, who wants a bigger role
- Grant, who we trust more

Yeah, I don’t feel optimistic about Sharpe getting unleashed. Even if you think he has the ability, he’s still in no position at this point in his career to demand shots and get them. Coaches don’t game plan to lose, and if you think Chauncey is going to choose Sharpe over Ant, OG, or Grant in the clutch, you’re fooling yourselves.

 

[blazerfan11]

Okay, okay, so…

- Ayton has BEEN wanting a bigger role in the Suns offence

- OG has been reported to want a larger role in the offense for multiple seasons

- Scoot is our rookie PG who we are hanging our hopes on, he SHOULD be getting the highest usage

- Sharpe should be upping his ball handling opportunities because he is also part of the future, but will be stuck behind vets

Let’s factor in the fact that Ant and Grant are still here. At some point, not everyone is going to be happy with their situation. Ayton could produce more and flourish with higher usage, but could become a malcontent with 2 more years left. OG could become this guy everyone wants, but could leave if he feels like he isn’t being used more than he wants.

The main goal of the season should be to make sure Scoot and Sharpe have the time to develop. Sharpe is likely to get the least usage out of those four because he’s probably going to defer to the vets, but we want him to make mistakes now rather than later.

I'm going to disagree. Strongly. Everyone being happy isn't a goal, winning games is.

Remember the Trail Blazer team that nearly made it to the Finals in 2000?

 

[BankTeller]

What about the salary situation?

I think Scoot is going to be good quickly, and being a point guard, should be surrounded by the best complementary players possible NOW while it's affordable.

The Blazers should go for it and get some high-level talent for the next few years.

It would be a shame if Scoot comes out ready to win and Cronin doesn't try to get guys like OG and Deandre Ayton.

It’s not just about Scoot. What would be a real shame is bringing in so many guys who want to score when we have a superstar scorer in the making who needs as many chances as possible but doesn’t have an alpha mentality yet.

 

[BankTeller]

I'm going to disagree. Strongly. Everyone being happy isn't a goal, winning games is.

Remember the Trail Blazer team that nearly made it to the Finals in 2000?

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I personally don’t remember. I was 3 years old.

However, I don’t need to have been old enough to realize how that team and this team are wildly different. No team with Scottie Pippin on it was try to tank, they were expected to go for it every year. Sabonis. Wallace. Smith. Is a roster like that not expected to make noise?

I agree that everyone being happy isn’t a goal when the goal is trying to win. But we’re not suppose to try to win right now, and having the wrong guys unhappy has consequences right now.

OG not being happy, he’s gone. Ayton not being happy—if we get Ayton for Nurk and a role player, what do you expect Ayton this time around?

I also don’t understand using that roster as an example. Are you trying to say we were right to prioritize winning over developing a 17th pick in the draft? Because I agree, but there’s a difference between developing a 3rd and 7th overall pick, guys who would be considered cornerstones at those selections, and the 17th pick.

 

[blazerfan11]

Someone needs to bump the threads around the 2023 draft. I’m curious to know how many people who flip-flopped from

“Sharpe doesn’t fit the timeline, we’re trying to win and he needs to be on a losing team so he has the time to learn and make mistakes. Draft Murray, he’s NBA ready!!!”

to

“OMG Ayton and OG!!! With 2nd year Sharpe and rookie Scoot, we can win games!!!”

If you were in that camp last year, this is the opportunity you wanted Sharpe to have. But post-Dame trade, Sharpe would now be stuck behind:

- Ant, who we want to increase value on
- Scoot, the future PG
- OG, who wants a bigger role
- Ayton, who wants a bigger role
- Grant, who we trust more

Yeah, I don’t feel optimistic about Sharpe getting unleashed. Even if you think he has the ability, he’s still in no position at this point in his career to demand shots and get them. Coaches don’t game plan to lose, and if you think Chauncey is going to choose Sharpe over Ant, OG, or Grant in the clutch, you’re fooling yourselves.

You've only listed 5 players. They aren't each going to play 48 minutes a game.

Also, are you counting on 82 games for Scoot, Ant and OG?

In the last 3 seasons, OG has played 43, 48 and 67 games.

Simons has played in 64, 57, 62 games. I know tanking affected the number of games played by Simons, but my point is still valid.

Guys get injured. Depth is a good thing.

 

[Samuel]

not all of this stuff has to be sorted out immediately. this is going to be a long process. just because dame is leaving doesn’t mean you have to sort everything out this week. And if that means making deals after the market has shifted leading up to the deadline, you do it then.

 

[BankTeller]

Guys get injured. Depth is a good thing.

When the team is filled with vets, yes, depth with vets who are good enough to continue and help the team win.

When the team is filled with young guys, no, I’d rather the depth be with interesting young guys who we think and be contributors in a few years.

At this point, there’s no point of arguing OG. It just seems like the fanbase is stuck between really trying to build for the future and assuming Scoot and Sharpe are enough of a future that we should start trying to win now. I’ll just wait until the FO makes the decision.

 

[blazerfan11]

I wonder why it is that when rumors like this come out they are all coming from Miami 'sources'...?

I sure hope he gets traded to Toronto (assuming a good return for the Blazers).

 

[blazerfan11]

When the team is filled with vets, yes, depth with vets who are good enough to continue and help the team win.

When the team is filled with young guys, no, I’d rather the depth be with interesting young guys who we think and be contributors in a few years.

At this point, there’s no point of arguing OG. It just seems like the fanbase is stuck between really trying to build for the future and assuming Scoot and Sharpe are enough of a future that we should start trying to win now. I’ll just wait until the FO makes the decision.

It makes sense to try to win now when Scoot and Sharpe are on rookie contracts, as you said, if Scoot and Sharpe are good enough to eventually become very good players on the level of Damian Lillard.

I suppose one could argue that it'd be better to tank and get more young players and see if any of them pan out. I would certainly revert to that if Scoot and Sharpe turned out to be duds.

 

[BonesJones]

No, the core is Grant, Thybulle Ant and for now Nurk wwith Sharpe and Scoot being the young guys. Even Murray is Ant's age..I think Reath is Grant's age too...Moses Brown is not a teen anymore either. We're young but our vets are 24-29

The core is Scoot and Shaedon because out of the guys you listed, they're the only two that have a legitimate chance at being top 2 players on a championship team.

Unless that's not the goal.

 

[BonesJones]

What about the salary situation?

I think Scoot is going to be good quickly, and being a point guard, should be surrounded by the best complementary players possible NOW while it's affordable.

The Blazers should go for it and get some high-level talent for the next few years.

It would be a shame if Scoot comes out ready to win and Cronin doesn't try to get guys like OG and Deandre Ayton.

So the Blazers couldn't contend by getting Damian Lillard an OG Anunoby or DeAndre Ayton, but Scoot will? He's 19 years old man. Have some patience with the kid. If he's miraculously ready to lead a contender at age 20 or 21, then the Blazers would have assets and cap space to make things work.

This plan of action is making it so he has to be ready earlier, and if he or Sharpe dont live up to all their promise, the Blazers are more likely to get stuck in the middle like they have been for a decade.

 

[Natebishop3]

Someone needs to bump the threads around the 2023 draft. I’m curious to know how many people who flip-flopped from

“Sharpe doesn’t fit the timeline, we’re trying to win and he needs to be on a losing team so he has the time to learn and make mistakes. Draft Murray, he’s NBA ready!!!”

to

“OMG Ayton and OG!!! With 2nd year Sharpe and rookie Scoot, we can win games!!!”

If you were in that camp last year, this is the opportunity you wanted Sharpe to have. But post-Dame trade, Sharpe would now be stuck behind:

- Ant, who we want to increase value on
- Scoot, the future PG
- OG, who wants a bigger role
- Ayton, who wants a bigger role
- Grant, who we trust more

Yeah, I don’t feel optimistic about Sharpe getting unleashed. Even if you think he has the ability, he’s still in no position at this point in his career to demand shots and get them. Coaches don’t game plan to lose, and if you think Chauncey is going to choose Sharpe over Ant, OG, or Grant in the clutch, you’re fooling yourselves.

Trade Ant. Problem solved.

 

[blazerkor]

Someone needs to bump the threads around the 2023 draft. I’m curious to know how many people who flip-flopped from

“Sharpe doesn’t fit the timeline, we’re trying to win and he needs to be on a losing team so he has the time to learn and make mistakes. Draft Murray, he’s NBA ready!!!”

to

“OMG Ayton and OG!!! With 2nd year Sharpe and rookie Scoot, we can win games!!!”

If you were in that camp last year, this is the opportunity you wanted Sharpe to have. But post-Dame trade, Sharpe would now be stuck behind:

- Ant, who we want to increase value on
- Scoot, the future PG
- OG, who wants a bigger role
- Ayton, who wants a bigger role
- Grant, who we trust more

Yeah, I don’t feel optimistic about Sharpe getting unleashed. Even if you think he has the ability, he’s still in no position at this point in his career to demand shots and get them. Coaches don’t game plan to lose, and if you think Chauncey is going to choose Sharpe over Ant, OG, or Grant in the clutch, you’re fooling yourselves.

Shaedon has way more upside than people were even giving him credit for when he was drafted and people were really high on his ceiling then. Therefore, regardless of our roster composition Shae is going to get time and touches because he can shoot really well from anywhere and because he is deadly around the rim... that's ignoring the fact that his feet are amazing on both ends of the court, so with coaching he will be elite on both ends. An elite scorer on offense and an elite perimeter defender and weak side shot blocker on defense.

I'm not worried about anyone we have or will acquire taking away from Shaedon's shine because the young man has got it.

 

[blazerfan11]

So the Blazers couldn't contend by getting Damian Lillard an OG Anunoby or DeAndre Ayton, but Scoot will? He's 19 years old man. Have some patience with the kid. If he's miraculously ready to lead a contender at age 20 or 21, then the Blazers would have assets and cap space to make things work.

This plan of action is making it so he has to be ready earlier, and if he or Sharpe dont live up to all their promise, the Blazers are more likely to get stuck in the middle like they have been for a decade.

You're misunderstanding. I'm not being impatient with Scoot. I have confidence in him. I want him to be able to play with the best young-ish talent possible.

Was it being impatient starting 20-year-old Magic Johnson with Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and alongside another point guard, Norm Nixon?

The first game of his career, Magic played 41 minutes. Was that a bad idea?

Scoot's a passing point guard. He's played professionally for two seasons.

It would be putting pressure on Scoot if you did not give him skilled players to pass to.

Making Scoot score more than he needs to while playing with teammates who are "developing" is only good for the developing players.

 

[BonesJones]

You're misunderstanding. I'm not being impatient with Scoot. I have confidence in him. I want him to be able to play with the best young-ish talent possible.

Was it being impatient starting 20-year-old Magic Johnson with Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and alongside another point guard, Norm Nixon?

The first game of his career, Magic played 41 minutes. Was that a bad idea?

Scoot's a passing point guard. He's played professionally for two seasons.

It would be putting pressure on Scoot if you did not give him skilled players to pass to.

Making Scoot score more than he needs to while playing with teammates who are "developing" is only good for the developing players.

You're bringing up two hall of farmers and top 20 players of all-time. I don't understand the comparison.

Scoot would still have Sharpe, Simons, and Grant. He's not going to lose his playmakinh feel and become a worse decision maker because he doesn't have enough offensive talent to trust. These are NBA players man. First game of SL he was throwing dimes to Kris Murray...