TPEs (Traded Player Exceptions)

[hoopsjock]

I’d rather suck than be what we are now. We’d at least have higher draft picks/more room for improvement.

Well last year Olshey put the team in a position where they made the playoffs and got the #10 pick.

 

[Scalma]

Well last year Olshey put the team in a position where they made the playoffs and got the #10 pick.

Yeah and somehow managed to turn three firsts into pretty much just Zach Collins.

 

[calvin natt]

Playoff coaches with more success than what the Blazers have/had get fired somewhat regularly.
I mean I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t really counter what a few of us have said. It just seems like you’re saying we should leave it be until they suck?

He hasn’t made a big deal since Nurk. And I completely get that people want to see progress by way of trades. But putting 2+2 together, knowing what we know, I think pa and no are reluctant to trade cj and that’s the only way to drastically change the team. Have to wait it out. Maybe the trade deadline

 

[BonesJones]

Hating Olshey for the summer of 2016 I understand. But since that is done and they can’t unscramble the eggs now, what really could be done this summer that makes a legit difference if other teams didn’t want our shit platter of players? You could say CJ should be traded I guess, but I don’t think PA wants to do that.

Would he even entertain taking on bad 2-year salary with the TPE to get an asset that'll still be around when the bad contracts are off the books? I thibk thats a good course of action too.

 

[TBpup]

Something can be said for 'trying' but at some point, there has to be better results.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yeah and somehow managed to turn three firsts into pretty much just Zach Collins.

Yup, you can definitely criticize the execution but to make the playoffs and get the 10th pick in a loaded draft is basically the same as tanking.

His job basically depends on Zach Collins now because of it. That is why he is clearing the way for him to have a major role. He either turns into a quality player and Olshey probably keeps his job or he doesn't pan out and Olshey is gone. It's pretty much that simple.

 

[RR7]

Something can be said for 'trying' but at some point, there has to be better results.

No. Try not. Do or do not. There is no try.

 

[Scalma]

Yup, you can definitely criticize the execution but to make the playoffs and get the 10th pick in a loaded draft is basically the same as tanking.

His job basically depends on Zach Collins now because of it. That is why he is clearing the way for him to have a major role. He either turns into a quality player and Olshey probably keeps his job or he doesn't pan out and Olshey is gone. It's pretty much that simple.

So Neil is here for years? Plural. Great!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yeah and somehow managed to turn three firsts into pretty much just Zach Collins.

Well, two. But let’s not let facts get in the way of things....

 

[Scalma]

Well, two. But let’s not let facts get in the way of things....

Yeah, don’t....

 

[BigGameDamian]

Yeah and somehow managed to turn three firsts into pretty much just Zach Collins.

Hey now, Zack Collins is untouchable and part of the big 4.

 

[Scalma]

Hey now, Zack Collins is untouchable and part of the big 4.

I love Collins, but to go from three potential assets to one is...not great.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yeah, don’t....

It’s like when Portland traded their TPE for Durant but then gave Durant back to GS for free.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well, two. But let’s not let facts get in the way of things....

I think the reference to three is implying that using the third pick on Swanigan--whom some believe will not see a second contract--was essentially throwing that asset away.

 

[BonesJones]

I love Collins, but to go from three potential assets to one is...not great.

In hindsight: Trade CJ for the 10th Pick.
Draft Donovan Mitchell 10th
Draft John Collins 15th
Draft OG Anunoby 20th
Draft Kyle Kuzma 26th

Imagine that lineup:

Lillard (36) / Mitchell (12) / Baldwin / Simons
Mitchell (23) / Curry (25) / Trent
Anunoby (30) / Harkless (18) / Turner
J.Collins (12) / Kuzma (30) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (30) / J.Collins (18) / Leonard

And then in 2020, we'd have apx. $50M in cap space.

Damn.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Neil finally admitted this teams difficiencies were exposed in the playoff sweep... he said this team was done with asset accumulation phase and need to add playoff tested veterans to compete... he didn’t do it... he said Paul Allen was aggressive willing to spend to improve... instead they cut salary... this guy is a used car salesman con artist pos... he will say whatever is needed to buy himself time and move the goal post... he is constantly lying and condescending to fans... that’s plenty reason to hate him

Again, what playoff tested veteran was available in a deal that would have made us better? IE, closer to Houston than the rest of the conference? I've seen no evidence to suggest we missed an opportunity...

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don’t think anyone thought it would be used until Neil started talking about what a great asset it was and how aggressive they were gonna be... and then Neil does nothing

He said they were viewing it as an asset they could use. They obviously tried to use it, Neil has made offers seemingly all season by all accounts. Other teams offered more... Did you want to give up Dame to get a deal done? Because that's what it would have taken to get Kawhi. The Cavs said no to trading Love.

He can't force other teams to deal. Losing Aldridge cost us a TON of assets. We've done awesome to remain competitive since then, and even made deeper runs without him. We've had more success since losing Aldridge than we ever had with him. That's not easy.

Do you want Neil to piss Dame off by moving a ton of players in and out? Dame likes his team and wants to add to it. Not constantly blow it up. Neil is trying to maintain that consistency and add to it as the opportunities arise.

As calvin natt asked above, do you think Paul Allen wants Neil to deal CJ? Because I don't.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If the report is to be believed, he tried getting Kawhi without including CJ. He may as well saved himself that phone call, especially when reportedly one of the Spurs non negotiables was getting a 20 point scorer in return. Give me a break.

Would you feel better if he got into a bidding war and offered Dame? Because that's what it would have taken...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yup, you can definitely criticize the execution but to make the playoffs and get the 10th pick in a loaded draft is basically the same as tanking.

His job basically depends on Zach Collins now because of it. That is why he is clearing the way for him to have a major role. He either turns into a quality player and Olshey probably keeps his job or he doesn't pan out and Olshey is gone. It's pretty much that simple.

And I think Zach will definitely be a quality player.

 

[Scalma]

Would you feel better if he got into a bidding war and offered Dame? Because that's what it would have taken...

I would’ve felt better if he offered CJ.

Derozan is a lot closer to CJ as a player than he is to Dame. PERs of 17.7 and 17.2 and their offensive and defensive ratings were literally identical.

And Collins would’ve been more attractive than Poeltl.

 

[Phatguysrule]

In hindsight: Trade CJ for the 10th Pick.
Draft Donovan Mitchell 10th
Draft John Collins 15th
Draft OG Anunoby 20th
Draft Kyle Kuzma 26th

Imagine that lineup:

Lillard (36) / Mitchell (12) / Baldwin / Simons
Mitchell (23) / Curry (25) / Trent
Anunoby (30) / Harkless (18) / Turner
J.Collins (12) / Kuzma (30) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (30) / J.Collins (18) / Leonard

And then in 2020, we'd have apx. $50M in cap space.

Damn.

That would be awesome, but you could pretty much do this same exercise with any team. Everybody misses guys in the draft. But who does the draft consistently better than Olshey, and manages a roster better? And why would they want to come to Portland?

I think he does pretty well for us, considering we're in Portland.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I think the reference to three is implying that using the third pick on Swanigan--whom some believe will not see a second contract--was essentially throwing that asset away.

Yeah, I understood that completely.

But again, that’s why I was poking fun at it. If we’d have drafted someone who came in an performed at #26, we’d look at it completely independently, no? We probably wouldn’t assign the success of dude drafted at #26 to Collins, no?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I would’ve felt better if he offered CJ.

Derozan is a lot closer to CJ as a player than he is to Dame. PERs of 17.7 and 17.2 and their offensive and defensive ratings were literally identical.

And Collins would’ve been more attractive than Poeltl.

I don't think CJ would have gotten it done. So why offer him? I'd be surprised if Paul Allen wanted to send out CJ and Collins for a guy who may never play for us.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah, I understood that completely.

But again, that’s why I was poking fun at it. If we’d have drafted someone who came in an performed at #26, we’d look at it completely independently, no? We probably wouldn’t assign the success of dude drafted at #26 to Collins, no?

I don't think he was connecting the 26 to Collins. I think he was looking at the draft as a whole, saying the 3 picks were turned into Collins and nothing, and that the nothing wasn't worth mentioning.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Butler or Middleton?

 

[BBert]

Butler or Middleton?

Both!

But Olshey doesn't have the guts.

 

[calvin natt]

I would’ve felt better if he offered CJ.

Derozan is a lot closer to CJ as a player than he is to Dame. PERs of 17.7 and 17.2 and their offensive and defensive ratings were literally identical.

And Collins would’ve been more attractive than Poeltl.

maybe Popovich didn't want him in the West?

 

[Hoopguru]

maybe Popovich didn't want him in the West?

Bingo!
If we were forced to trade Dame, it better be to the Eastern Conference period.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Butler or Middleton?

Absolutely! At what cost?