Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[SharpesTriumph]

Indy is hard to match salary - not sure this is enough being sent out.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Who would we send to them - Brogdon?

Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.

If anything, the Pacers need defense. Thybulle is probably the most valuable piece we have to them.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Who would we send to them - Brogdon?

Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.

Ironically he left the Pacers because of their rebuild

"It was probably when we started rebuilding last year,” Brogdon told reporters, per CLNS Media video. “I felt like the team, the organization was moving in a different direction, going a little bit younger — which teams are doing nowadays. You can’t fault Indiana for that. Cause we weren’t having the level of success that granted, to keep all your guys. So, at that point, I think the front office and I thought it was best to maybe find a contender for me. … Indiana did me very well. They did a good job behind me.”

 

[B-Roy]

Indy is hard to match salary - not sure this is enough being sent out.

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People are going to be very disappointed if this is the level of return you're expecting from our vets.

 

[illmatic99]

Who would we send to them - Brogdon?

Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.

#7 for Walker. Maybe they would prefer a prospect at a position they are not heavily invested in like they will be at PF. Guessing Pascal/Toppin might run them ~50mil/yr.

 

[Pinwheel1]

#7 for Walker. Maybe they would prefer a prospect at a position they are not heavily invested in like they will be at PF. Guessing Pascal/Toppin might run them ~50mil/yr.

Not a horrible idea at all. He is short for a PF but is thick with a long wing span. But I really want a SF

 

[illmatic99]

Not a horrible idea at all. He is short for a PF but is thick with a long wing span. But I really want a SF

I'm good with filling either wing spot from this draft.

Maybe irrational, but I love the idea of Toumani being a longstanding glue starter at either spot interchangeably already.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm good with filling either wing spot from this draft.

Maybe irrational, but I love the idea of Toumani being a longstanding glue starter at either spot interchangeably already.

I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.

 

[illmatic99]

I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.

Do we though?

I see Scoot/Shaedon/Ayton (and Ant) as enough scoring. A low usage shooter/defender is the ideal fit.

Trey Murphy (aka Zacharrie Risacher) is an absolute perfect idea. Sigh.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

People are going to be very disappointed if this is the level of return you're expecting from our vets.

Cut $11 million salary and add a recent lottery pick? If thats a disappointment can't imagine what people will say with a Clippers like trade return.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Cut $11 million salary and add a recent lottery pick? If thats a disappointment can't imagine what people will say with a Clippers like trade return.

I think we'd be quite happy with that return. pretty sure B-Roy is saying that there's little chance that we'll actually get it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Do we though?

I see Scoot/Shaedon/Ayton (and Ant) as enough scoring. A low usage shooter/defender is the ideal fit.

Trey Murphy (aka Zacharrie Risacher) is an absolute perfect idea. Sigh.

Yes Risacher would be ideal. A good defender who when needed, can score. But as you alluded to.....that is not happening.
So who is the next best option?

I think Buzelis could eventually fit your low usage/defender requirement. Scouts seems to think he can defend.

If we took Holland we would need more outside shooting from the 4 spot. A Holland-Salaun combo would be a good draft.

I also think Williams fits that description as well...in two years.
This from a few hours ago:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...makes-the-cut-in-our-full-2-round-predictions

Pro Comparison: Jaden McDaniels

1. 
   
   "Cody Williams has been trending in NBA conversations after his workouts and pro day. Some believe he's the most likely to go earlier than expected.
   
   The debate right now revolves around his ceiling, but scouts and execs sound like they won't be surprised to see a top-five team that values Williams' archetype and wants to bet on his development.
   
   At baseline, without an advanced handle or perimeter game, he still averaged 11.9 points, shot 58.8 percent inside the arc and 41.5 percent from three. And at 6'6.5" in socks with a giant 7'1" wingspan, his defensive tools remain outstanding.
   
   Even a worst-case outcome for Williams can contribute with his efficient off-ball scoring and ability to guard wings and forwards. But given his age and reported character—plus the fact his brother Jalen appears on track toward blossoming into an All-Star—the Detroit Pistons could talk themselves into Williams' upside."
   

 

[wizenheimer]

I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.

I'm not sure either has the talent level or be dynamic enough to be 'lunch-pail' starters, but maybe one or the other can grow into the role

seems like anymore there are 3 positions in the NBA: PG-Wing-C. The starting SG needs the size to situationally guard SF's and the PF needs the speed to guard SF's. And all are wings. And IMO, no team can really afford more than one bad-shooting wing

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.

Jabari is adequate as a PF, but really he's better in the small-ball C role.

Toumani can play either forward spot... He just needs to be next to a shooter.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.

"Need" to accomplish what?

 

[BigGameDamian]

If Cleveland trades Garland and keeps Mitchell they would have a lot of interest in Brogdon.

Max Strus and #20 for Brogdon?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Jabari is adequate as a PF, but really he's better in the small-ball C role.

Toumani can play either forward spot... He just needs to be next to a shooter.

Agreed. I am hoping that Walker can improve his 3 point shot. It has potential. That along with his rebounding would give me hope. His rebounding in April was encouraging when given big minutes: 16, 10, 18, 13, 22, 9

 

[B-Roy]

Cut $11 million salary and add a recent lottery pick? If thats a disappointment can't imagine what people will say with a Clippers like trade return.

we’re not getting that lol

 

[Pinwheel1]

"Need" to accomplish what?

82-0

 

[illmatic99]

Yes Risacher would be ideal. A good defender who when needed, can score. But as you alluded to.....that is not happening.
So who is the next best option?

I think Buzelis could eventually fit your low usage/defender requirement. Scouts seems to think he can defend.

If we took Holland we would need more outside shooting from the 4 spot. A Holland-Salaun combo would be a good draft.

I also think Williams fits that description as well...in two years.
This from a few hours ago:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...makes-the-cut-in-our-full-2-round-predictions

Pro Comparison: Jaden McDaniels

1. 
   
   "Cody Williams has been trending in NBA conversations after his workouts and pro day. Some believe he's the most likely to go earlier than expected.
   
   The debate right now revolves around his ceiling, but scouts and execs sound like they won't be surprised to see a top-five team that values Williams' archetype and wants to bet on his development.
   
   At baseline, without an advanced handle or perimeter game, he still averaged 11.9 points, shot 58.8 percent inside the arc and 41.5 percent from three. And at 6'6.5" in socks with a giant 7'1" wingspan, his defensive tools remain outstanding.
   
   Even a worst-case outcome for Williams can contribute with his efficient off-ball scoring and ability to guard wings and forwards. But given his age and reported character—plus the fact his brother Jalen appears on track toward blossoming into an All-Star—the Detroit Pistons could talk themselves into Williams' upside."

I just don't see Williams having the lateral mobility to make that comp accurate.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Blazers try to get in on a Trae to Lakers trade. Pick to the Blazers would actually be 2031. Gives Atlanta better defender rotational guys to fit with Murray who also make much less money and a pick. Blazers eat worse salary but get a pick.

 

[wizenheimer]

a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):

Grant + #14 for #5

Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)

sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's

 

[Pinwheel1]

a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):

Grant + #14 for #5

Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)

sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's

That scenario is way better than most I have seen for Grant. I would absolutely do that for the reasons you stated.

 

[Ed O]

That scenario is way better than most I have seen for Grant. I would absolutely do that for the reasons you stated.

Me, too. I take that any day of the week. It makes draft night more interesting, gives us a presumably superior prospect than we'd get at 14, and gets us our from under Grant's contract... I'd happily eat some crow that Grant's actually a positive trade asset with his new contract, too!

 

[Natebishop3]

a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):

Grant + #14 for #5

Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)

sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of adding another lottery pick in this draft, but who do we want at 5 who won't be there at 7?

I'm all in favor of moving up to get Risacher, but I highly doubt he'll be available at 5. So who else would we want on the board at 5?

Who would you take at 5 and 7?

 

[Natebishop3]

IF Risacher is still on the board at 3, I'd do this:

Grant/#14 to Detroit
#5/#34 to Houston
#3 to Portland.

That's only if Risacher is still there. Is an extra second round enough value to jump from 5 to 3 though?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):

Grant + #14 for #5

Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)

sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's

Really like this idea. I don't know we would use much of the trade exception - but it's valuable we could take back some salary in exploring Brogdon/Ant trades instead of forced to cut salary for luxury tax. Also could use luxury space to sign someone with the full MLE that might have a chance to develop into a great value contract (Wes Matthews)

Of course #5 is better than #14 too... but even without that there is value.

 

[illmatic99]

The past two years, we have seen fairly minimal trade activity from Sell Low Joe.

Dude makes picks at his original spot and calls it a day. He is seemingly too slow or too unprepared to make moves on the fly as is required during the draft. Even the extended duration of picks and two day schedule this year most likely will change his plans in no meaningful way.

Hoping and expecting for the wheeling and dealing is just extremely wishful thinking.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The past two years, we have seen fairly minimal trade activity from Sell Low Joe.

Dude makes picks at his original spot and calls it a day. He is seemingly too slow or too unprepared to make moves on the fly as is required during the draft. Even the extended duration of picks and two day schedule this year most likely will change his plans in no meaningful way.

Hoping and expecting for the wheeling and dealing is just extremely wishful thinking.

There's a reason that I haven't voted in the poll on this thread--"0" isn't one of the listed options.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of adding another lottery pick in this draft, but who do we want at 5 who won't be there at 7?

I'm all in favor of moving up to get Risacher, but I highly doubt he'll be available at 5. So who else would we want on the board at 5?

Who would you take at 5 and 7?

I would want Holland for sure. Just because of his high ceiling. Worst case he would bring energy off the bench for years.

The other one is tricky.

Holland- Castle?
Holland-Knecht?
Holland- Buzelis?