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If anything, the Pacers need defense. Thybulle is probably the most valuable piece we have to them.Who would we send to them - Brogdon?
Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.
Who would we send to them - Brogdon?
Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.
#7 for Walker. Maybe they would prefer a prospect at a position they are not heavily invested in like they will be at PF. Guessing Pascal/Toppin might run them ~50mil/yr.Who would we send to them - Brogdon?
Grant doesn't make sense with Siakam. Simons isn't needed with Haliburton. Ayton is now too big of a salary with Siakam and not much of an upgrade over Turner. Brogdon could make sense.
#7 for Walker. Maybe they would prefer a prospect at a position they are not heavily invested in like they will be at PF. Guessing Pascal/Toppin might run them ~50mil/yr.
I'm good with filling either wing spot from this draft.Not a horrible idea at all. He is short for a PF but is thick with a long wing span. But I really want a SF
I'm good with filling either wing spot from this draft.
Maybe irrational, but I love the idea of Toumani being a longstanding glue starter at either spot interchangeably already.
Do we though?I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.
People are going to be very disappointed if this is the level of return you're expecting from our vets.
I think we'd be quite happy with that return. pretty sure B-Roy is saying that there's little chance that we'll actually get it.Cut $11 million salary and add a recent lottery pick? If thats a disappointment can't imagine what people will say with a Clippers like trade return.
Do we though?
I see Scoot/Shaedon/Ayton (and Ant) as enough scoring. A low usage shooter/defender is the ideal fit.
Trey Murphy (aka Zacharrie Risacher) is an absolute perfect idea. Sigh.
I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.
Jabari is adequate as a PF, but really he's better in the small-ball C role.I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.
I think both Toumani and Jabari can handle the lunch pail duties at PF next to Ayton. We need to find a high scoring wing next to Shae and Scoot.
Jabari is adequate as a PF, but really he's better in the small-ball C role.
Toumani can play either forward spot... He just needs to be next to a shooter.
Cut $11 million salary and add a recent lottery pick? If thats a disappointment can't imagine what people will say with a Clippers like trade return.
"Need" to accomplish what?
I just don't see Williams having the lateral mobility to make that comp accurate.Yes Risacher would be ideal. A good defender who when needed, can score. But as you alluded to.....that is not happening.
So who is the next best option?
I think Buzelis could eventually fit your low usage/defender requirement. Scouts seems to think he can defend.
If we took Holland we would need more outside shooting from the 4 spot. A Holland-Salaun combo would be a good draft.
I also think Williams fits that description as well...in two years.
This from a few hours ago:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...makes-the-cut-in-our-full-2-round-predictions
Pro Comparison: Jaden McDaniels
"Cody Williams has been trending in NBA conversations after his workouts and pro day. Some believe he's the most likely to go earlier than expected.
The debate right now revolves around his ceiling, but scouts and execs sound like they won't be surprised to see a top-five team that values Williams' archetype and wants to bet on his development.
At baseline, without an advanced handle or perimeter game, he still averaged 11.9 points, shot 58.8 percent inside the arc and 41.5 percent from three. And at 6'6.5" in socks with a giant 7'1" wingspan, his defensive tools remain outstanding.
Even a worst-case outcome for Williams can contribute with his efficient off-ball scoring and ability to guard wings and forwards. But given his age and reported character—plus the fact his brother Jalen appears on track toward blossoming into an All-Star—the Detroit Pistons could talk themselves into Williams' upside."
a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):
Grant + #14 for #5
Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)
sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's
Me, too. I take that any day of the week. It makes draft night more interesting, gives us a presumably superior prospect than we'd get at 14, and gets us our from under Grant's contract... I'd happily eat some crow that Grant's actually a positive trade asset with his new contract, too!That scenario is way better than most I have seen for Grant. I would absolutely do that for the reasons you stated.
a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):
Grant + #14 for #5
Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)
sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's
Really like this idea. I don't know we would use much of the trade exception - but it's valuable we could take back some salary in exploring Brogdon/Ant trades instead of forced to cut salary for luxury tax. Also could use luxury space to sign someone with the full MLE that might have a chance to develop into a great value contract (Wes Matthews)a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):
Grant + #14 for #5
Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)
sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's
There's a reason that I haven't voted in the poll on this thread--"0" isn't one of the listed options.The past two years, we have seen fairly minimal trade activity from Sell Low Joe.
Dude makes picks at his original spot and calls it a day. He is seemingly too slow or too unprepared to make moves on the fly as is required during the draft. Even the extended duration of picks and two day schedule this year most likely will change his plans in no meaningful way.
Hoping and expecting for the wheeling and dealing is just extremely wishful thinking.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of adding another lottery pick in this draft, but who do we want at 5 who won't be there at 7?
I'm all in favor of moving up to get Risacher, but I highly doubt he'll be available at 5. So who else would we want on the board at 5?
Who would you take at 5 and 7?