Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[SharpesTriumph]

I don’t think the coach matters

The GM has a long term plan and a few extra wins this season aren’t gonna matter.

The ownership group seems to be on board with the plan.

Counter point is the Blazers haven't committed hard to a rebuild in prior seasons, they have tried to walk down two roads at once with this stupid dual timelines thing. I'm hopeful this is the offseason we finally commit to one path, but I have some real concern the franchise is going to try and continue with their bizarre indecisiveness.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Counter point is the Blazers haven't committed hard to a rebuild in prior seasons, they have tried to walk down two roads at once with this stupid dual timelines thing. I'm hopeful this is the offseason we finally commit to one path, but I have some real concern the franchise is going to try and continue with their bizarre indecisiveness.

Yet someone who did not try to tank at all ended up with the 1st pick....

 

[blazerkor]

I highly doubt its for #2 - Ant doesn't have that value and it doesn't make sense for Washington either as they only get Cole Anthony for it.

What about? I think at that point we would be pretty committed to getting the best guy in the draft and maybe in this draft ATL thinks pick 40 is worth swapping 1 for 2.


We draft Alex Sarr at 1, we draft Cody Williams at 7. We trade Malcolm, Tisse, Rob, Jerami for future draft compensation + cap relief and take BPA at 34.

Rotation: Scoot, Shae, Avdija, Sarr, Deandre, Cody, Black, Banton, Tou, Bari, Kris. Deep bench: pick 34, Rayan, Duop and whoever we decide not to waive that comes back in the trades that send our vets out.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yet someone who did not try to tank at all ended up with the 1st pick....

Well sure - but the 10+ prior drafts it was tanking teams. I'd stick with the odds.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Issac was more of a salary dump... yes put anything in that place or cap room instead the key is Black and a pick for Simons which seems totally reasonable.

The Grant trade is two separate deals - Detroit would give us #5 and absorb Grant salary in cap space. It was discussed here previously as some Pistons fans like the deal.
The second half of the trade is acquiring Harris with the trade exception and having a 2nd round pick go to Philly for their troubles. Thats seems reasonable if they don't want to sign Harris themselves or they want to use that cap space on something else - this just gives them a free 2nd round pick instead of renouncing Harris. Now the $ amount of the contract perhaps you are correct and needs to be increased to whatever Harris market value is. He probably would prefer a different destination so ultimately that half of the trade may not be feasible.

Chicago is rumored to want to get out of Zach contract purely as a salary dump. Instead they get some players to use in that scenario. Brogdon is arguably a better player at this time than Zach, and much more reasonable salary. The Blazer pick they own isn't much value to them and is very likely only worth a 2nd round pick. It probably has more value to us just clearing up the 2028 Milwaukee swap. Something like this trade would only make sense from Chicago end if they have no other decent options to get off of Lavine overpaid contract. This is actually the deal with the greatest risk from PDX end as LaVine is owed nearly $50 million in 3 years so there is a ton of risk.

Orlando has enough cap space to take Simons with only sending out $10M in contracts. There's no need for more 'filler'. Also, Orlando really values Isaac - a LOT.

Grant to Detroit for #5 (& cap space) has no chance of happening. This completely over-values Grant.

Yes, I think Chicago will 'dump' Zach. But they will find a neutral trade. They cant find someone to pay to get him. But Chicago also is not going to pay to get off his contract either. Right now- thats what you have proposed

 

[wizenheimer]

If this is for the second pick, that would make a lot of sense. We get either Sarr or Risache.

it makes sense or Portland obviously, but none at all for Washington. The only reason they might be open to trading Avidja is because they are getting Risacher or Sarr. No way at all they'd trade the 2nd pick for Jabari, Anthony and two 2nd's

I think the only way they'd consider it is if they ended up with the 2nd, 18th, 34th, and 40th picks in the draft. And it might be that the Blazers might have to move down from 14 to 18

 

[wizenheimer]

What about? I think at that point we would be pretty committed to getting the best guy in the draft and maybe in this draft ATL thinks pick 40 is worth swapping 1 for 2.
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We draft Alex Sarr at 1, we draft Cody Williams at 7. We trade Malcolm, Tisse, Rob, Jerami for future draft compensation + cap relief and take BPA at 34.

Rotation: Scoot, Shae, Avdija, Sarr, Deandre, Cody, Black, Banton, Tou, Bari, Kris. Deep bench: pick 34, Rayan, Duop and whoever we decide not to waive that comes back in the trades that send our vets out.

once again, a Blazer fantasy trade of Ant for a top-3 pick. He doesn't not add that much leverage to any trade. Sorry Blazerkor that idea is beyond unrealistic

 

[lawai'a]

 

[Boise Blazer]

On Locked On Blazers guest Keith Smith just said that one of new things that teams can do now this year is absorb players in trades into their MLE. That might helpful for the Blazers in moving some of the veterans.

 

[lawai'a]

On Locked On Blazers guest Keith Smith just said that one of new things that teams can do now this year is absorb players in trades into their MLE. That might helpful for the Blazers in moving some of the veterans.

pretty sure thybull's contract fits under this new rule for any team interested that has the full MLE available.

 

[TBpup]

If Cleveland trades Garland and keeps Mitchell they would have a lot of interest in Brogdon.

Max Strus and #20 for Brogdon?

Normally I would do that, but for this year, I'm not sure. #20 in the next 2 year's Drafts? Yes.

a trade idea being discussed on RealGM that seems to be approved by several Detroit fans (who are familiar with Grant):

Grant + #14 for #5

Blazers end up with #5 + #7 + 29.8M TPE (trade would have to be finalized after July1 when Detroit had cap-space)

sure, it could be better to have a 2025 or 2026 first, but I'd think the odds are that first would be in the 20's. As iffy as this year's draft is I'm guessing a #5 pick would be better than a future 1st in the 20's

Grant gets us #5 AND that size of TPE? Where do I sign up?

a long time Blazer poster at RealGM has said he heard (from a source I guess), that Portland was talking a 3 team deal with Orlando and Washington. The bare bones of which are:

* Blazers send out Ant, Jabari Walker, and both 2nd's. Blazers get back Den Avdija and a 1st, unsaid what pick it is

* Orlando send out Cole Anthony and a 1st; get back Ant

* Washington sends out Avdija; gets back Walker, Anthony and?

there would have to be more involved obviously. I'd think Washington would probably want more than stated. Maybe getting #18+#34+#40 would be enough; maybe not. Orlando is not paying enough unless they are sending out a future 1st to Portland.

the bones of Ant for Avdija + a 1st looks like a Blazer win to me. I'm just not sure it's too homerific for Portland. At least it might indicate that Cronin is willing to move Ant. The poster has been a member of RealGM for 23 years and does not have a record of any wild claims

There is so much noise in ORL about getting Ant. I think fans there may be quite disappointed if they don't get their home town kid. Agreed, Washington would almost certainly want more than Walker/Anthony back.

pretty sure thybull's contract fits under this new rule for any team interested that has the full MLE available.

This type of move would seem likely given ownership's history and us being in the Lux Tax.

 

[wizenheimer]

I know teams can agree to exchange draft picks + players in the draft with the trade to be finalized after July 1 when teams will have cap-space (I'm not sure if it happens much; I'm assuming it has but it's probably uncommon)

with that in mind + the fact that both Orlando and OKC will have cap-space in July:

Portland trades Ant + #34 to Orlando
Orlando trades WCJ + #18 to OKC; 2025 or 2026 lottery protected 1st to Portland
OKC trades #12 to Portland

* Orlando gets their back court help, but I'd wonder if WCJ and two first's would be way too steep a price (And they might not have space depending on Fultz)

* OKC gets a 2nd big who would fit very well with their roster and could play with Holmgren. They may need to pay more than moving down from #12 to #18 and the more they pay might help grease the wheels for Orlando. (the fault line might be that OKC has big plans for their cap-space)

* Blazers add the 12th pick; a future 1st; and a 26M TPE

it may not move the needle enough for either Orlando or OKC; I'm not sure. But it does give the Blazers some options. With Detroit apparently willing to trade #5, maybe Grant + #14 for #5 and another giant TPE? Would having 7+12 + Brogdon convince Houston to give up #3? What could the Blazers do with #3+#5?

there could be more moving parts in the original 3 team trade. OKC is apparently shopping Giddey and they have oodles of picks

 

[Samuel]

* Blazers add the 12th pick; a future 1st; and a 26M TPE

what are your plans for the tpe

 

[Samuel]

There is so much noise in ORL about getting Ant.

the trick with orlando is getting them to send out picks that are neither 2024, nor that denver 2025 "first."

 

[wizenheimer]

what are your plans for the tpe

to have it available for future opportunities

 

[wizenheimer]

Since Larry Coon has not updated his CBA FAQ for the new CBA (and he may not be planning too), I wanted to explore/talk a bit about the ramifications of the minimum team salary provision. (And since I don't feel like dooing a Google deep dive)

as I understand it, the CBA changed so that cap-space can not be carried into the regular season anymore. If a team doesn't meet the team salary minimum (90% of the cap which will be 127M). For example if a team has 30M in cap-space with 111M in total guarantees, and they don't use any of it by opening night, they lose the space and end up credited with 141M in guarantees. I might be mistaken, but that means that the most cap-space any team can carry into the regular season is 10% of the cap. The trick for teams that want to carry some space is is to just hit the minimum team salary mark without going over by much. The ability to perform precise payroll contortions could be valuable

the reason I'm wondering about this is for TPE's. I'm not sure if using a TPE changes that Payroll charge. The gap this season between the 141M cap and the 172M tax line is 31M; and between the cap and 1st apron is 37-38M. So for example, it the trade fantasies I had above, if the Blazers ended up with a couple of TPE's of 20M+, and they carried them into the season, they might be a lot more valuable because of the limitations on cap-space

 

[SharpesTriumph]

what are your plans for the tpe

Save luxury tax

 

[wizenheimer]

no surprise he talks about Ant to Orlando

it's Ant for Antony Black + #18 + 2025 Denver 1st + 18.3M TPE

I might be being greedy, but I'd like the Blazers to get the more favorable of the Denver/Orlando 1st round picks

and pretty much I'd like to see how high Portland might move up by combining 14+18 or 7+18

 

[PtldPlatypus]

no surprise he talks about Ant to Orlando

it's Ant for Antony Black + #18 + 2025 Denver 1st + 18.3M TPE

I might be being greedy, but I'd like the Blazers to get the more favorable of the Denver/Orlando 1st round picks

and pretty much I'd like to see how high Portland might move up by combining 14+18 or 7+18

Seems like Simons for Black+ is the universally-accepted trade idea around the NBA this summer. Will annoy the heck out of me when it doesn't happen.

 

[Hoopguru]

no surprise he talks about Ant to Orlando

it's Ant for Antony Black + #18 + 2025 Denver 1st + 18.3M TPE

I might be being greedy, but I'd like the Blazers to get the more favorable of the Denver/Orlando 1st round picks

and pretty much I'd like to see how high Portland might move up by combining 14+18 or 7+18

If Im Orlando not sure about giving up that much for Simons?

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Im Orlando not sure about giving up that much for Simons?

Good. Black does not excite me at all.
I know he is 6'6" but he has a smaller wing span than both Ant and Scoot

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

With #3 and #5, the Blazers could trade Ayton and #3 to Atlanta using the gained TPE and obtain the #1.

with #1, pick Risarcher

with #5, pick Clingan

 

[Samuel]

no surprise he talks about Ant to Orlando

it's Ant for Antony Black + #18 + 2025 Denver 1st + 18.3M TPE

I might be being greedy, but I'd like the Blazers to get the more favorable of the Denver/Orlando 1st round picks

and pretty much I'd like to see how high Portland might move up by combining 14+18 or 7+18

yeah that denver pick is doo doo and ya'll know how I feel about 2024 picks.

I'd be fine with leaving black out of the deal and getting an unprotected future orlando pick and the denver pick vs black and another 2024 asset (and I like anthony black).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Duncd on podcast had an interesting idea about trading Towns for Grant. They are just in the 2nd apron so that would get Minnesota out of it. They actually used it as an example of why Towns won't be traded as they thought this doesn't make sense for Minnesota. Also would need a 3rd team to give PDX salary relief and take on Towns.

Interesting idea though, I think that Minnesota roster would be way better balanced, main problem is Grant being older than Towns IMO.

 

[Natebishop3]

Duncd on podcast had an interesting idea about trading Towns for Grant. They are just in the 2nd apron so that would get Minnesota out of it. They actually used it as an example of why Towns won't be traded as they thought this doesn't make sense for Minnesota. Also would need a 3rd team to give PDX salary relief and take on Towns.

Interesting idea though, I think that Minnesota roster would be way better balanced, main problem is Grant being older than Towns IMO.

How about something like this?



We end up with 5th, 7th and 14th. We can either package and move up or just take BPA at all three spots.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How about something like this?

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We end up with 5th, 7th and 14th. We can either package and move up or just take BPA at all three spots.

I'd love it. Feels a bit light for the Wolves, but perhaps that's just me undervaluing our players.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd love it. Feels a bit light for the Wolves, but perhaps that's just me undervaluing our players.

Honestly I'd give them 14 if we were getting 5. I'm still hopeful that we can swap Simons with Orlando. If we really wanted to move up into the late lottery, we could probably pair the 18th and 34th pick.

But we'd end up with Duren, 5, and 7. That's a nice group of young guys coming in.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'd love it. Feels a bit light for the Wolves, but perhaps that's just me undervaluing our players.

Unless come tax time, the Wolves think that 20 million per year less for Grant has value.

KAT $49,350,000 $53,298,000 $57,246,000 $61,194,000
Grant $29,793,104 $32,000,001 $34,206,898 $36,413,790

 

[wizenheimer]

Unless come tax time, the Wolves think that 20 million per year less for Grant has value.

KAT $49,350,000 $53,298,000 $57,246,000 $61,194,000
Grant $29,793,104 $32,000,001 $34,206,898 $36,413,790

good point

as of right now, Minny is scheduled to be 20M over the tax line; 13M over the 1st apron, and 3M over the 2nd apron. And that's only for 10 players. 26M/year for Jaden McDaniels?

KAT has 4 years left on his deal at 55M/year. He's a good player but that's a lot of money for a big who has averaged less than 55 games/year over the last 6 seasons

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Duncd on podcast had an interesting idea about trading Towns for Grant. They are just in the 2nd apron so that would get Minnesota out of it. They actually used it as an example of why Towns won't be traded as they thought this doesn't make sense for Minnesota. Also would need a 3rd team to give PDX salary relief and take on Towns.

Interesting idea though, I think that Minnesota roster would be way better balanced, main problem is Grant being older than Towns IMO.

I tried to think of a trade of Brogdon and Grant with Towns going to a third team; would have to wait until Towns' new salary kicks in, but what team would want to give up assets for Towns and his ballooning salary?