Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

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How many players on our current roster will we trade this offseason?

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wizenheimer said:
yeah, I just don't know how realistic they are. On RealGM, a lot of Orlando and Detroit fans are OK with those trades, or at least something similar

I was also thinking about something like this:

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Blazers move up from 14 to 12 and add a couple of lottery protected 1st's next season; plus a 17.5M TPE
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Would probably be good. I just have a visceral gut reaction every time I see Giddey's name or face, independent of his on-court abilities.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I guess I don't understand why Detroit would want him back. Didn't they trade him because they didn't want to pay him?
Seems like Grant has more value to a contender.
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the Piston's front office may not

but according to a lot of Detroit fans at RealGM: they aren't happy with the prospects at #5; and with over 50M in cap-space in July (they think Wiseman sucks and want Detroit to dump him) they know they won't sign any worthwhile free agents

but I kind of like the Platypus notion of Ayton to Detroit instead:

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move up from 14 to 5. Plus 29.5M TPE

not sure how Detroit views Duren or Ayton though
 

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wizenheimer said:
the Piston's front office may not

but according to a lot of Detroit fans at RealGM: they aren't happy with the prospects at #5; and with over 50M in cap-space in July (they think Wiseman sucks and want Detroit to dump him) they know they won't sign any worthwhile free agents

but I kind of like the Platypus notion of Ayton to Detroit instead:


move up from 14 to 5. Plus 29.5M TPE

not sure how Detroit views Duren or Ayton though
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Maybe if they eat the Full Monty contract
 
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...sleeper-teams-free-agency-make-big-moves-soon

Portland Trail Blazers
"We're heavily invested in a lot of our young guys, so development will continue to be our focus. We're not going to win at an extremely high level until some of those guys are ready. At the same time, we have to put those guys in the best environment." -- Joe Cronin, April 2024

The post-Damian Lillard era has put the Trail Blazers' general manager in a unique position.

The focus continues to be on the development of the franchise's former draft picks (Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, Kris Murray, Toumani Camara, Jabari Walker) and the two firsts in the lottery this year, but there is a realization that Portland is an expensive rebuilding team comprised of veterans.

The Trail Blazers enter the offseason in the luxury tax and $1.3 million over the first apron, but there are some positives to Portland's bleak financial outlook.


Veterans Malcolm Brogdon, Jerami Grant, Matisse Thybulle, Robert Williams III, Anfernee Simons and Deandre Ayton -- all of whom could be a strong second option to teams that miss in free agency -- have value if the Trail Blazers choose to make each available.

Ayton averaged 22.7 points and 12.5 rebounds after the All-Star break. Brogdon is a former Sixth Man of the Year who will be on an expiring $22.5 million contract. Williams has a team-friendly contract ($12.4 million and $13.2 million over the next two years respectively) and is a Defensive Player of the Year candidate when healthy (he missed all but six games in 2023-24). Grant averaged 21 points, his most since 2020-21, and has four years and $133 million left on his contract. Simons averaged a career-high 22.6 points and has two years left on his current deal.

Trade we would like to see: Simons to Orlando for Cole Anthony, 2025 Denver first (top-5 protected) and 2025 Orlando first (top-14 protected)

Starters under contract: Henderson, Sharpe, Simons, Grant and Ayton

Reserves under contract: Brogdon, Thybulle, Williams, Camara, Duop Reath, Rayan Rupert, Murray and Walker

Free agents: Dalano Banton (team option) and Moses Brown

Incoming first-round picks (10):

  • The No. 7 and No. 14 first in the 2024 draft

  • Six out of their own seven firsts starting in 2025

  • 2029 unprotected first from Boston

  • 2029 unprotected first from Milwaukee

  • Swap rights: Milwaukee (2028 and 2030)
Outgoing first-round pick (1):

  • 2025 top-14-protected first to Chicago. The pick is lottery protected through 2028.
 
Bobby Marks wrote an article with a DeRozan pic, and supposedly had Blazer trade talk in his article. What did he say? I'm not buying ESPN+. I've listened to his pod, and Bobby has no clue how bad the Blazers season was. Bobby doesn't watch Blazer games.

Will Cronin try and build the playoff team he promised Lillard, without Lillard ?? It doesn't seem like a realistic approach, but i'm not going to complain if the Blazers win more games and "mess up the tank". The Blazers are embarrasing themselves, they get wholesale slaughtered for entire months of the season.

Portland needs better ballers. Cronin can still tank the vets after All-star break, and make both sides of Blazer fandom happy. Win more, better basketball, then tank for the rebuild and make draft pioneers happy.
 
Whyachi said:
Bobby Marks wrote an article with a DeRozan pic, and supposedly had Blazer trade talk in his article. What did he say? I'm not buying ESPN+. I've listened to his pod, and Bobby has no clue how bad the Blazers season was. Bobby doesn't watch Blazer games.

Will Cronin try and build the playoff team he promised Lillard, without Lillard ?? It doesn't seem like a realistic approach, but i'm not going to complain if the Blazers win more games and "mess up the tank". The Blazers are embarrasing themselves, they get wholesale slaughtered for entire months of the season.

Portland needs better ballers. Cronin can still tank the vets after All-star break, and make both sides of Blazer fandom happy. Win more, better basketball, then tank for the rebuild and make draft pioneers happy.
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Reading a Bobby Marks article is like reading a post on here. He makes shit up, tells you that it has no source and the shit he makes up rarely makes sense and in that way this place is superior because as off base as some people think others are in here Marks always has us picking up redundant shit that we'd never go after. He also does the same thing for every other team in the league. Just a dude who fucks around with the trade machine but unlike the people in here he doesn't give a shit if a trade he makes work makes any sense for the teams involved.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree he is a 20 year old project, so why did you say one "might argue Black would be the most valuable player on the Blazers roster."?
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When I say value it is as an asset which includes potential future improvements and upside. Ant and other vets are clearly better players today. I'd put Scoot Sharpe ahead of Black for value but could see someone making a legit argument for Black. It's more an indication of how horrific the Blazers roster is than a complement to Black.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Marang said there is no way the Blazers would consider Giddey because of the off court stuff.
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is this the same Marang that has brought up several times, how much he'd love to see Miles Bridges in a Blazer uniform? Because he's got that "dog" in him? Strong frame, budget contract, lots of stats, and a criminal wife beating history. Exactly the type of SF this squad could use.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I know that highlight videos can make anyone look good, but I have yet to see one of Black that really excites me.
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I just used him as an example, him plus a 1st rounder seems like a nice return.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
See a few people suggesting trading Ayton, I’m a little surprised feels like he’s finally starting to mature. Talent level wise he’s capable of being a top 5 center. His 2nd half of season was damn good!
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He doesn't have Top 5 C talent.

He fairly easily is a Top 25 C. We just needs to consistently be a top 10 C
 
1 Eye Jack said:
See a few people suggesting trading Ayton, I’m a little surprised feels like he’s finally starting to mature. Talent level wise he’s capable of being a top 5 center. His 2nd half of season was damn good!
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I'm for trading Ayton for a number of reasons;
1 Blazers aren't going to be competing for playoffs let alone contending for many years - Ayton is ready to win now. Theoretically he could have more value to another team than us. We need to prioritize long term value a number of years from now.
2 Ayton is on a huge contract and I doubt he will want less on his next contract. That will make constructing a contending starting 5 with Ayton extremely difficult if not near impossible. Since our owner doesn't pay luxury tax this will be even harder.
3 If we can get potential long term value for him then we should do it, as even if Ayton is still a very good starter his large contract makes his worth very minimal. Also it could open up room for other players to increase their worth (Reath/C draft picks/etc)

There is a very limited trade market for Ayton since very few contending teams need a high salary starting center. But if someone is willing to give us a pick or such yes I'd certainly explorer trading Ayton.

Since Ayton is young and we don't have any other starting level center I'm totally fine with keeping him on the roster too. Brogdon, Grant, Ant all should be shopped preferably in that order - prior to Ayton. If I were Cronin I'd shop all these guys. I'd expect one or two have good offers this summer and should be traded. The ones without great offers should be retained and tried to trade at the deadline or next season.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
See a few people suggesting trading Ayton, I’m a little surprised feels like he’s finally starting to mature. Talent level wise he’s capable of being a top 5 center. His 2nd half of season was damn good!
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Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Gobert
Sabonis
AD
Wemby
Holmgren
Porzingis
Jarrett Allen
Evan Mobley
Adebayo

then there's the lower tier that includes Ayton, Sengun, Nurkic, Claxton, Zubac, Myles Turner, Capela.

Ayton may be at the top of that 2nd list, but he's not a rim protector or a passer, nor does he get to the FT line at a decent rate, so maybe not right at the top. He can climb the ladder a bit, but I think his limitations are there to stay
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Maybe if they eat the Full Monty contract
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wizenheimer said:
Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Gobert
Sabonis
AD
Wemby
Holmgren
Porzingis
Jarrett Allen
Evan Mobley
Adebayo

then there's the lower tier that includes Ayton, Sengun, Nurkic, Claxton, Zubac, Myles Turner, Capela.

Ayton may be at the top of that 2nd list, but he's not a rim protector or a passer, nor does he get to the FT line at a decent rate, so maybe not right at the top. He can climb the ladder a bit, but I think his limitations are there to stay
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Guess we differ in opinion several of the guys you listed also have weaknesses. I’d say talent wise he’s at least equal to the following

Kat overrated and disappears in big moments
Gobert good defender not great at anything else
Sabonis also not great defender and undersized
Holmgren come on I like him too but…
Porz doesn’t play like a center I would classify more PF but not sure where he plays most

Ayton proved he could be a monster in playoffs consistency has been the issue. When his heads into it can absolutely dominate, I think he’s starting the mature as player.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'm for trading Ayton for a number of reasons;
1 Blazers aren't going to be competing for playoffs let alone contending for many years - Ayton is ready to win now. Theoretically he could have more value to another team than us. We need to prioritize long term value a number of years from now.
2 Ayton is on a huge contract and I doubt he will want less on his next contract. That will make constructing a contending starting 5 with Ayton extremely difficult if not near impossible. Since our owner doesn't pay luxury tax this will be even harder.
3 If we can get potential long term value for him then we should do it, as even if Ayton is still a very good starter his large contract makes his worth very minimal. Also it could open up room for other players to increase their worth (Reath/C draft picks/etc)

There is a very limited trade market for Ayton since very few contending teams need a high salary starting center. But if someone is willing to give us a pick or such yes I'd certainly explorer trading Ayton.

Since Ayton is young and we don't have any other starting level center I'm totally fine with keeping him on the roster too. Brogdon, Grant, Ant all should be shopped preferably in that order - prior to Ayton. If I were Cronin I'd shop all these guys. I'd expect one or two have good offers this summer and should be traded. The ones without great offers should be retained and tried to trade at the deadline or next season.
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Finally have good starting center with upside last thing I want to do is go backwards in a position.

good nucleus
Scoot
sharpe
Ayton

the other two positions are the concern for me. We have some guys who have potential but there isn’t anyone on the other three starters level of potential
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Finally have good starting center with upside last thing I want to do is go backwards in a position.

good nucleus
Scoot
sharpe
Ayton

the other two positions are the concern for me. We have some guys who have potential but there isn’t anyone on the other three starters level of potential
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Blazers are already the blinged up Hornets of the West. Trading Ayton would plop Portland in Spurs territory. Waiting a decade for a Wemby to draft, then start the rebuild AGAIN around THAT team.

biggest difference between Spurs fans and Blazer fans waiting around for a rebuild to work ... is San Antonio won championships. SAS has multiple rings to brag about. Blazer fans are left with bragging about former Blazers that couldn't win the championship. (*Derrick Jones Jr./Brandon Williams/Jrue Holiday/Svi Mykhailiuk still pending)
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Finally have good starting center with upside last thing I want to do is go backwards in a position.

good nucleus
Scoot
sharpe
Ayton

the other two positions are the concern for me. We have some guys who have potential but there isn’t anyone on the other three starters level of potential
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Yeah even though Id prefer exploring Ayton trades, I'm fine seeing what we have with Ayton. I very much doubt we will get an offer that makes sense so I suspect he's one of the least likely vets to be traded.

Scoot and Sharpe are huge question marks. Excited for that small chance they hit their potential, but I'm concerned it's much more likely their mediocre starters long term or just backups.

Much more depressing than the losing last year was that Sharpe was injured so much and Scoot performance was consistently bad. Probably 3rd was that Ant didn't really improve.
 
Kings have 2026 & 2027 FRP's. They have the cap room to take on Blazer contracts.

Barnes and a pick for Grant? That doesn't look right. They love Anfernee Simons in Sac-Town.

If this is truly a rebuild... and Ant is lighting the beam. Portland will get the Kings rookie(s). It's how rebuilds work.
 
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Whyachi said:
Kings have 2026 & 2027 FRP's. They have the cap room to take on Blazer contracts.

Barnes and a pick for Grant? That doesn't look right. They love Anfernee Simons in Sac-Town.

If this is truly a rebuild... and Ant is lighting the beam. Portland will get the Kings rookie(s). It's how rebuilds work.
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If you compare our roster now with Kings we are very close to them talent wise. I would Ant to them to help them take another step for picks that wont be that great anway. Trade Ant east.
 
Hoopguru said:
If you compare our roster now with Kings we are very close to them talent wise. I would Ant to them to help them take another step for picks that wont be that great anway. Trade Ant east.
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I don't see how you can say that - Kings have two players clearly far superior to anyone on the Blazers in both Fox and Sabonis.

Only roster the Blazers are better than is the Wizards, so were probably likely again to repeat as the worst team in the west.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't see how you can say that - Kings have two players clearly far superior to anyone on the Blazers in both Fox and Sabonis.

Only roster the Blazers are better than is the Wizards, so were probably likely again to repeat as the worst team in the west.
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We have Simons, Grant, Shaedon & Ayton
Close
 
SharpesTriumph said:
None of these guys are remotely close to Fox or Sabonis.

Are you trying to argue three dimes are equal to a dollar?
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I said close
If you look at their whole roster and remember their not that well rounded. Did they even make the playoffs this year?
 
RR7 said:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06...ions-ham-bucks-cavaliers-coaching-search.html

Edwards suggests helping Portland clear cap space by taking Jerami Grant, the No. 14 pick and possibly Matisse Thybulle in exchange for No. 5. That could speed up the Blazers’ rebuilding process by giving them two selections in this year’s top seven while saving them about $40MM next season.
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I'd do it, but I'd like to keep 14.

I feel pretty strongly about being able to move into the 9-11 range to get Williams. There's three categories I'd like to address in this draft.

High floor/low ceiling player - Knecht
Wing of the future - Williams
Project player - Salaun or Buzelis.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You know who's a very mobile athletic center who could probably work as well with Sengun as anyone? Ayton. Clears up space to play our new star Clingan 48 mpg!
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