Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[Sheldon Shape]

I guess it all depends on whether Portland really offered Simons/#3 last year. All reports I heard was that we did. I can't imagine Brooklyn trading Bridges for #3 in a weak draft after turning down Simons/Scoot.

His value is lower now after their horrendous season. Remember all that we (and Memphis) offered for OG, and what they actually ended up with? Or Siakam? Things change. The Nets should have absolutely moved Bridges last year and they should absolutely move him now to start their rebuild, even if it means they end up with less.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If Portland trades up I want it to be with basketball players, not the 14 pick. If they're using the 14 pick in a trade it should be to sweeten another package or to trade for a future pick on draft night after someone becomes enamored.

As I've said, a framework around Brogdon and 14 for the Bulls' 11 and our future pick makes sense.

 

[Natebishop3]

As I've said, a framework around Brogdon and 14 for the Bulls' 11 and our future pick makes sense.

I’m so confused about Chicago honestly. I have no clue what they’re doing. Do they really want to keep trying to win? I think DeRozan is a free agent.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I’m so confused about Chicago honestly. I have no clue what they’re doing. Do they really want to keep trying to win? I think DeRozan is a free agent.

They confuse themselves. I think they're always trying to win and I heard they had interest in Brogdon last season as well.

 

[Samuel]

As I've said, a framework around Brogdon and 14 for the Bulls' 11 and our future pick makes sense.

... lonzo?

 

[Natebishop3]

They confuse themselves. I think they're always trying to win and I heard they had interest in Brogdon last season as well.

I'd love to send them Brogdon and RWIII but are they really running it back? Or does DRR even want to stay there? That team is a mess.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

No, I wouldn't use the word often.

It does happen, but it becomes more complex especially when there are other moving parts.

Note for everyone: Fanspo has already defaulted to the 24-25 league year for these trades, so keep that in mind when making stuff up. The timeline is important.

I wouldn't say its that complex it simply happens in the 2023-24 league year or it happens in the 2024-25 league year. It is an aspect for people who like cap details but for general trade ideas and discussions of what players are worth its not that important.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Here's my early summer wishlist:

Trade 1
Grant/Thybulle/#14 to Houston
FVV to Brooklyn
Simmons/#3/2025 PHX pick to Portland

Trade 2
Simons/Brogdon/Williams to Golden State
Paul/Kuminga/Wiggins/2026 pick to PDX

Warriors get one more influx of talent to try to make a run with Steph. Blazers try to move Paul/Wiggins somewhere and just eat Simmons. He probably doesn't play anyway. He only has one year left.

Scoot
Sharpe
Risacher
Kuminga
Ayton

Not certain how realistic these exact components are - but I really like the concept of trading our vets for much worse vets and getting picks - especially the 2025/2026 picks.

Kind of shocking that I've never been less interested in adding a pick as high as #3 in a draft - but perhaps we could flip #3 and something up to 2 or 1 and get Sarr.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

His value is lower now after their horrendous season. Remember all that we (and Memphis) offered for OG, and what they actually ended up with? Or Siakam? Things change. The Nets should have absolutely moved Bridges last year and they should absolutely move him now to start their rebuild, even if it means they end up with less.

Nets don't have an incentive to rebuild since they don't own their picks.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I’m so confused about Chicago honestly. I have no clue what they’re doing. Do they really want to keep trying to win? I think DeRozan is a free agent.

They seem like a team that should've tried to rebuild for awhile but doesn't want to try doing that. I thought DeRozen had another year but now I don't see it so maybe he is a free agent.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

As I've said, a framework around Brogdon and 14 for the Bulls' 11 and our future pick makes sense.

I wouldn't try to get our pick - unless its value in the trade is close to a second rounder. I'd say its more likely than not never conveyed and we just give them the 2nd rounder.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

... lonzo?

Yeah I always thought this made sense we eat Balls contract and they get Simons or Brogdon or something. But we'd need much more than just our pick back.

Now if we get to the trade deadline and Brogdon is still on our team with no good offers out there yes I'd take a Brogdon for our pick back type of deal vs the chance of losing him for nothing. But that is kind of a last resort, and I'd expect we can get that meager offer up to the deadline.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd love to send them Brogdon and RWIII but are they really running it back? Or does DRR even want to stay there? That team is a mess.

They've been questionable with decisions going back to the Vucevic acquisition, ton of money and picks to give up with no path to contend. Just committing to long term purgatory. I think they have a cheap owner who also gets a ton of revenue from filling that stadium so they might prefer purgatory over losing revenue for a year or two in a rebuild.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Is this terrible?

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I'd take Risacher at 3 and then whoever drops to 7 that we like. Probably BPA

Yes - Terrible.
No reason for the Nets or Rockets to participate here.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes - Terrible.
No reason for the Nets or Rockets to participate here.

No reason? Simmons is a joke. He doesn't play. They get a borderline All-Star without really giving anything up.

Rockets supposedly want to start winning. Grant and Brogdon slide in seamlessly into their starting lineup with their young guys.

 

[B-Roy]

Malcolm Brogdon, one of Portland’s best 3-point shooters at 41.2 percent in 39 games last season, is a player rival executives are monitoring heading into the draft as a possible trade candidate. Brogdon is entering the final year of his contract at $22.5 million for the upcoming season.

Scotto doesn't say anything about fetching a first.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Scotto doesn't say anything about fetching a first.

Yes, the part about him likely fetching a first is complete conjecture by the tweet writer, which I assume is why it's in the second paragraph, after the link and attribution.

 

[B-Roy]

Yes, the part about him likely fetching a first is complete conjecture by the tweet writer, which I assume is why it's in the second paragraph, after the link and attribution.

I would be surprised if Brogdon fetched a non 2024 first by himself, but who knows. Maybe packaged with something else.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I wouldn't try to get our pick - unless its value in the trade is close to a second rounder. I'd say its more likely than not never conveyed and we just give them the 2nd rounder.

I've heard conflicting reports of how that complicates our pick swaps with Bucks.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Nets don't have an incentive to rebuild since they don't own their picks.

They don't have the tools to get better. They're better off starting over and getting a bunch of assets for Mikael.

 

[Samuel]

I wouldn't say its that complex it simply happens in the 2023-24 league year or it happens in the 2024-25 league year. It is an aspect for people who like cap details but for general trade ideas and discussions of what players are worth its not that important.

Eh, I think matching salary (and when cap space is used) is a pretty basic thing.

TPE trades are different (ex: Grant trade, Kemba trade).

I wouldn't try to get our pick - unless its value in the trade is close to a second rounder. I'd say its more likely than not never conveyed and we just give them the 2nd rounder.

Agree, there is no rush to trade the chicago pick.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I would be surprised if Brogdon fetched a non 2024 first by himself, but who knows. Maybe packaged with something else.

Maybe eat another teams bad contract - then I think he could.

Another part that sucks about us matching Thybulle, is the Blazers may insist on cutting salary in a deal which would lower the return on Brogdon.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I've heard conflicting reports of how that complicates our pick swaps with Bucks.

If the Blazers miss the playoffs in all of 2025 2026 2027 then make it in 2028 and the Bucks have a worse pick in 2028 yes the Blazers would not get that swap. Seems unlikely that exact scenario plays out but yes its certainly a nonzero chance of happening so I'd rather have our Chicago pick back than not. But I still wouldn't value our Chicago pick very highly.

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe eat another teams bad contract - then I think he could.

Another part that sucks about us matching Thybulle, is the Blazers may insist on cutting salary in a deal which would lower the return on Brogdon.

How long is Thybulle's no trade clause? One year from when he signed?

 

[SheedSoNasty]

How long is Thybulle's no trade clause? One year from when he signed?

I heard it’s over this summer

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah I wouldn't be concerned with Thybulle no trade... just that he is often a nonrotational player earning $23 million the next two years and the Blazers are in the tax.

 

[wizenheimer]

How long is Thybulle's no trade clause? One year from when he signed?

he signed on July 10 last summer. I'd think it would end on July 10 this summer?

 

[B-Roy]

They have the entire season to trade Thybulle to the Mavs if they want. Lux tax isn't calculated till end of the year.

 

[B-Roy]

Looking at the projected cap space teams and the free agent class....there will be teams that strike out on FAs and come calling about Simons/Grant/Brogdon.

Philly if they don't get George?
Grant/Brogdon to Detroit?
Simons to ORL is obvious.

I really don't think it's going to be hard to get out of the tax, and they will likely be compensated for doing so.

 

[Samuel]

Anyone know of a team with a late lotto pick to spare? Happy to take Advija off their hands.