Trade Ideas Thread (2 Viewers)

[e_blazer]

I am becoming more and more convinced that real success, i.e. the finals, this season will be determined by the extent that Zach and Anfernee can become ~household names (by those who follow the game closely). Zach needs to be averaging a double double, or thereabouts, and a couple of blocks a game. Anfernee needs to take home 15+ a night and a handful of boards + assists.

Nas won't see any time this year. Trent could make a leap but I just don't see it happening for some reason; doubt Stotts will put him in much.

Pretty much the way I see it too. I'd add that getting Nurk back ASAP and being able to crush other teams' second units with the Whiteside/Nurk combo could be pretty important too.

 

[wizenheimer]

I dont think CJ will be eligible for a super max though, dont you have to make an all-nba team or be the mvp?

CJ will be a 7 year veteran which means he'd be eligible for the 30% max deal

last I saw the cap was projected to be 116M next summer. So, CJ's 1st year salary could be 35M. His 8% step raise would be a shade under 2.8M. He could get a 4-year/156M deal....39M a year. If the cap climbs to 120M in 2021-22, CJ could be maxing out over 40M/year

that's 39-40M a year for a player who was:

96th in PER
199th in TS% & 163rd in eFG% (and he's supposed to be a shooter)
152nd in assist rate
121st in winshares/48
119th in box plus/minus
94th in RPM

about the only statistical category CJ cracked the top-20 in was FG attempts.

so then, I'm seeing people say it would be no problem building around Dame and CJ...and leaving it at that with no context. To be more accurate, what they are saying is "it's no problem building around Dame/CJ just as long as the perfect roster is assembled around them". Apparently, that settles it. But here's the issue I see: if you're paying Dame & CJ 85-90M a year, that's 65-68% of the salary cap and there's almost no fucking way you can assemble the perfect roster around them when they are hogging that much of the cap. Won't really be possible because the perfect roster is going to include some guys that will have to be paid a hell of a lot more than the MLE...which by the way will be over 10M by then

CJ has never had anything close to the consistent impact of an elite #2, so the prospect of paying him an elite level salary is certainly debateable

 

[Scalma]

CJ is trade bait to me, especially if Simons is as good as they’re selling. Doubt Olshey would trade him in the middle of a season unless there was just a total collapse, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the market next summer.

 

[Hoopguru]

CJ will be a 7 year veteran which means he'd be eligible for the 30% max deal

last I saw the cap was projected to be 116M next summer. So, CJ's 1st year salary could be 35M. His 8% step raise would be a shade under 2.8M. He could get a 4-year/156M deal....39M a year. If the cap climbs to 120M in 2021-22, CJ could be maxing out over 40M/year

that's 39-40M a year for a player who was:

96th in PER
199th in TS% & 163rd in eFG% (and he's supposed to be a shooter)
152nd in assist rate
121st in winshares/48
119th in box plus/minus
94th in RPM

about the only statistical category CJ cracked the top-20 in was FG attempts.

so then, I'm seeing people say it would be no problem building around Dame and CJ...and leaving it at that with no context. To be more accurate, what they are saying is "it's no problem building around Dame/CJ just as long as the perfect roster is assembled around them". Apparently, that that settles it. But here's the issue I see: if you're paying Dame & CJ 85-90M a year, that's 65-68% of the salary cap and there's almost no fucking way you can assemble the perfect roster around them when they are hogging that much of the cap. Won't really be possible because the perfect roster is going to include some guys that will have to be paid a hell of a lot more than the MLE...which by the way will be over 10M by then

CJ has never had anything close to the consistent impact of an elite #2, so the prospect of paying him an elite level salary is certainly debateable

I still think he would be perfect for Philly.

 

[Sarni]

CJ is trade bait to me, especially if Simons is as good as they’re selling. Doubt Olshey would trade him in the middle of a season unless there was just a total collapse, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the market next summer.

Doubt it. I would expect him to get an extension next Summer instead. He won’t qualify for supermax but I believe we can still give him max extension a year in advance?

 

[tlongII]

Towns might become the best offensive big man EVER if he sustains his current run. His efficiency on offense is elite.

 

[Sarni]

I don’t get why Nuggets extended Murray a year before he hit free agency while giving him a max. Likewise Philadelphia and Simmons. You gain nothing, these players are never going to just take QO and wait a year to hit UFA. They will accept a max a year from now and you will have slightly more flexibility as their cap holds will be substantially smaller than what they sign for.

Suns did the same with Booker.

At least by waiting a year you protect yourself against an unlikely injury that could potentially screw up their career.

 

[Sarni]

I still think he would be perfect for Philly.

We would struggle to offload him to Philly unless it’s for Tobias Harris. Which to be honest would make perfect sense for us, and maybe a little bit of sense for Philadelphia if their huge long lineup did not cut it this year.

Simmons/CJ/Richardson/Horford/Embiid looks fairly balanced on paper.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Dame-Simons-Wiggins-Towns-Nurkic wins 55-60 games every year if healthy.

CJ + Zach for Towns + Wiggins. It doesn't work yet and would take some manuevering after we open up some space next year, but that would be the general framework. Who says no? I think I have an irrational attachment to Towns though, so I'm prolly biased. But the guy is 23 and has had a 23-26 PER with 50/40/85 splits pretty much every year of his career. At his size and skill, he'd be a nasty complement to Nurk and Dame.

Except, as far as I can see, he doesn't have any "nasty" in him.

 

[wizenheimer]

We would struggle to offload him to Philly unless it’s for Tobias Harris. Which to be honest would make perfect sense for us, and maybe a little bit of sense for Philadelphia if their huge long lineup did not cut it this year.

Simmons/CJ/Richardson/Horford/Embiid looks fairly balanced on paper.

dilemma: CJ for 40M/year or Harris for 35M/year? They are about even as players and have about the same impact on winning

I guess saving 5M a year has some merit. And maybe, 4 years from now, the 35-40M/year deal will be today's 25-30M/year deal. I'd still wonder if a team wouldn't be better served by NOT giving out contracts like that to players that weren't really elite. Even though there is a lot higher salary cap now than there was 5 years ago, the fundamental CBA ratios haven't changed. And one of those is that a team, especially a small market team, can really only afford two max-level contracts, not three; and that those contracts should be reserved for elite players. Neither CJ or Harris are elite

 

[illmatic99]

What other 7 footer has had his production with his efficiency from all over the floor?

Duncan and KG never shot threes like Towns. Dirk is the only one that gets close, but he never was as efficient from 2pt land as Towns.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Are we really building around CJ and Dame? To me that would be a huge mistake. I don’t know any great teams where neither of their building blocks were notable defenders.
Unfortunately, this could be reality.

Um Hello.. Did you just become a fan? They have been trying to do this for several years now.....

 

[tlongII]

What other 7 footer has had his production with his efficiency from all over the floor?

Duncan and KG never shot threes like Towns. Dirk is the only one that gets close, but he never was as efficient from 2pt land as Towns.

KAT is a slightly better than average center. That's it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

KAT is a slightly better than average center. That's it.

Offensively?

 

[twobullz]

How about Bazemore and a 2nd for Marvin Williams? More of a 4 which fills more of a need for the Blazers? Saw this idea on another site.

 

[illmatic99]

KAT is a slightly better than average center. That's it.

You're way off. Check the stats-- you'll be surprised.

Here are all the guys who have put up 23/10 while shooting 50% from the field, 35% from 3 and 80 from the line (shaq/hakeem/malone obviously throwaways on this list because their 3pt attempts are minimal).



He's done it twice. What he's doing is unprecedented and no one realizes it. KD is prolly the best closest comparison but he's not really a big.

 

[tlongII]

Offensively?

Overall offense + defense.

 

[tlongII]

You're way off. Check the stats-- you'll be surprised.

Here are all the guys who have put up 23/10 while shooting 50% from the field, 35% from 3 and 80 from the line (shaq/hakeem/malone obviously throwaways on this list because their 3pt attempts are minimal).

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He's done it twice. What he's doing is unprecedented and no one realizes it. KD is prolly the best closest comparison but he's not really a big.

He doesn't play defense.

 

[illmatic99]

He doesn't play defense.

Read the comment you replied to with your laughing emoticon. Where did I mention anything about defense?

 

[tlongII]

Trading for a center that doesn't play defense will not help our team.

 

[illmatic99]

Trading for a center that doesn't play defense will not help our team.

Are you even reading posts you're replying to? Because clearly I've been talking about pairing him with Nurkic.

 

[tlongII]

Read the comment you replied to with your laughing emoticon. Where did I mention anything about defense?

You didn't so I apologize for inferring that. However, you are advocating trading for him which is stupid.

 

[tlongII]

Are you even reading posts you're replying to? Because clearly I've been talking about pairing him with Nurkic.

Please repeat your suggested trade.

 

[Scalma]

Are you even reading posts you're replying to? Because clearly I've been talking about pairing him with Nurkic.

Pairing Nurk and Towns would never work imo because defensively speaking, you couldnt leave either one out on the perimeter, or in a pick and roll.

On a side note, KAT is a huge beta and I hate how soft he plays. Jimmys approach may have been wrong, but his message wasn’t.

 

[Cugel]

what are thoughts on going after Shumpert, Danilo, or Steven Adams. okc is the clear choice to work with

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don’t get why Nuggets extended Murray a year before he hit free agency while giving him a max. Likewise Philadelphia and Simmons. You gain nothing, these players are never going to just take QO and wait a year to hit UFA. They will accept a max a year from now and you will have slightly more flexibility as their cap holds will be substantially smaller than what they sign for.

Suns did the same with Booker.

At least by waiting a year you protect yourself against an unlikely injury that could potentially screw up their career.

I think the basic idea is that
1) The Max is cheaper than if you wait.
2) It improves the stability of the franchise - one less thing to worry about.

 

[BigGameDamian]

what are thoughts on going after Shumpert, Danilo, or Steven Adams. okc is the clear choice to work with

Whiteside for Adams?

 

[LayneStaley]

I don’t see any reason for Adams, he’s a lot like Nurk but worse, I don’t wanna pay Nurks backup 25 mil for two more seasons.

 

[Cugel]

Adam's has typically has one of the highest fgp in the league. sure he is like nurk, but right now there is no nurk. who said anything about keeping him for the duration of his contract? portland needs depth and talent badly.

 

[Scalma]

Good Whiteside is better than good Adams.