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I can't believe Zion is getting antsy after 1.5 years. If he's already antsy they should just trade him now.

Across the sports landscape, we're seeing franchise players really starting to grasp the power and influence they have on their team, market and sport and an especially weak recognition of that by team leadership. The days of forcing a player to play out their contract when they're worth 10s of millions of dollars are gone and the players are starting to understand that.

So yeah, it feels early in his career for a guy like Zion to have those feelings, but I think part of that is us as fans being a little slow to catch up to this phenomenon as well. Frankly, I don't blame him. The NBA is setup in such a way that being mediocre is literally the worst thing you can be...
 
What can DJ and one (or two) of a future pick, Nas, or Simons get us?

I’d like to have someone like Nance Jr. or Marcus Smart. Probably pipe dreams though. I think our youngsters may not be worth giving up for either of them too.
 
cj for john collins S&T at 3/90, balances the roster, gives dame an athletic big he covets and will certainly spice up this team...

not sure if possible since he is RFA
 
While Nola would love to have CJ I think you have to find a way to remove one of their two Centers from the deal and substitute someone else.
This would have worked so much better at the deadline, when New Orleans still had Lonzo Ball, whom they had already decided they weren't going to keep.
 
if it's safe to assume that Olshey has no intention of trading CJ....

what is the best remaining trade? Something like Jones and a 1st for Nance? Would that even be close to enough for Cleveland? Would it have to be Jones and multiple picks?
 
if it's safe to assume that Olshey has no intention of trading CJ....

what is the best remaining trade? Something like Jones and a 1st for Nance? Would that even be close to enough for Cleveland? Would it have to be Jones and multiple picks?

Would be curious to see if we could get Thad from San Antonio. Doesn't feel like they're in win-now mode, and both he and Jones are expirings, so no long-term cap impacts to them...
 
Would be curious to see if we could get Thad from San Antonio. Doesn't feel like they're in win-now mode, and both he and Jones are expirings, so no long-term cap impacts to them...
I’d like that as a pickup over trying to add a 1st to get Nance. We already spent 2 1sts on an elite kind of role player, I’d rather not add any more 1sts unless for a star kind of player.
 
Spurs aren't in danger of going over the apron as constructed. Would be nice if we could send them a 2nd round pick to make the Zach deal a S&T, giving us a TPE of 6 million or so.
 
Spurs aren't in danger of going over the apron as constructed. Would be nice if we could send them a 2nd round pick to make the Zach deal a S&T, giving us a TPE of 6 million or so.
I think the TPE for sign-and-traded a player is 50% so it'd be more around $3.25M.

Not worth it for a 2nd in my opinion.
 
I think the TPE for sign-and-traded a player is 50% so it'd be more around $3.25M.

Not worth it for a 2nd in my opinion.
I've never heard that rule before. Where have you seen that at? The TPE is generated by the difference in what is sent out versus what comes in. There's usually not rules adjusting that #.
 
I've never heard that rule before. Where have you seen that at? The TPE is generated by the difference in what is sent out versus what comes in. There's usually not rules adjusting that #.
Base Year Compensation (BYC):

Base year compensation (BYC) prevents another salary cap loophole. Without BYC, a team over the salary cap that wants to trade a player, but can't because of the Traded Player exception (which says teams can't take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away), could just sign the player to a new contract that fits within the desired range, then do the trade. BYC says "if you re-sign a player and give him a big raise, then for a period of time his trade value will be lower than his actual salary."

BYC defines the salary that's used to compare players for compliance under the Traded Player exception (see question number 71 for more information about the Traded Player exception). Usually the salary used for comparison is the player's actual salary. But under either of the following circumstances, a different salary is used when comparing salaries for trading purposes:

  • The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it's the minimum salary).
  • The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player's rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.
If either of the above apply, then the player is considered a base year player. A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later. When trading a base year player, the salary used for comparison is the player's previous salary, or 50% of the first-year salary in his new contract, whichever is greater.

Here is an example of a BYC calculation: A player earned $2 million in 2004-05, after which he became a free agent. He then signs a new contract (re-signing with his previous team, which is over the salary cap) starting at $9 million. This player qualifies for BYC, so his trade value is the greater of his previous salary ($2 million) or 50% of his new salary ($4.5 million), or $4.5 million. So this player, who actually earns $9 million, is worth $4.5 million for trading purposes.

When comparing salaries for trade, teams use their own player's BYC value and the other player's full salary, even if the other player is also BYC. Here is a simple example -- two $5 million players, both of whom are re-signed (by teams over the cap) for $10 million. Both players become base year players whose base year amount is $5 million (50% of the new salary). If the teams want to trade these players for each other they compare their player's base year amount to the other player's full salary. So each team can take back a maximum of 125% plus $100,000 of their player's $5 million base year amount, or $6.35 million. They compare $6.35 million to the other player's full $10 million. $10 million is way too high, so this trade can't be done, even though the players' actual salaries match exactly.

So for purposes of BYC, Collins would register a TPE based on last year's salary, as it's greater than 50% of the 1st year of his new contract. So we'd be able to get a TPE of apx. $5.4M
 
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Base Year Compensation (BYC):



So for purposes of BYC, Collins would register a TPE based on last year's salary, as it's greater than 50% of the 1st year of his new contract. So we'd be able to get a TPE of apx. $5.4M
I'd take a 5.4 million dollar TPE for a 2nd.
 
Spurs aren't in danger of going over the apron as constructed. Would be nice if we could send them a 2nd round pick to make the Zach deal a S&T, giving us a TPE of 6 million or so.
I thought he agreed for a $7M contract.

If possible, there are a few players I'd be interested in to come back. Here is an option

Collins + DJJ -> Aminu + Hutchison? (opens ~$4.3M of cap space & Spurs can cut Thad Young to gain $8M more to sign Oubre @ ~$13M)
Then sign Thad to the tax MLE.
 
Markanen + Porzingis + #1 pick

From Dallas


CJ + Nurkic go to the Mavs


This would be a “haul” for Portland considering how us homers value our own players

You may say that Porzingis is oft injured however Nurkic doesn’t have a much better history.

Dame / Summer Leager
Powell / Ant / MacLemore / Ellesby
Markanen / Snell / Naz
RoCo / Faried / Brown
Porzingis / Zeller / Milsap

it’s not Siakam nor Simmons nor KAT
But are we better than last year?
 
Dallas signed Hardaway. Cj would be sort of redundant and probably cost more.
 
If we don't make a trade, I'm going to be extremely unhappy.... I'm going to have to create a whole new "this is the worst blazer team I have ever seen" thread.
Not the worst. But i agree, i would be extremely frustrated, if we don't get a deal done, for a quality PF. I'm patient, on everything except money, the service helped me with that. And i feel everyone is too close to jumping off the cliff, and needs to relax. But deals need to be done in the coming month or so. The signings so far are end of the bench, low play guys. And a decent backup center. If Neil can find a way to acquire a Siakam through trade, and sign Milsap & Oubre, i think we'd all be pretty damn happy, including one Damian Lillard.
 
Markanen + Porzingis + #1 pick

From Dallas


CJ + Nurkic go to the Mavs


This would be a “haul” for Portland considering how us homers value our own players

You may say that Porzingis is oft injured however Nurkic doesn’t have a much better history.

Dame / Summer Leager
Powell / Ant / MacLemore / Ellesby
Markanen / Snell / Naz
RoCo / Faried / Brown
Porzingis / Zeller / Milsap

it’s not Siakam nor Simmons nor KAT
But are we better than last year?
Yuck on the Unicorn. Nurk has more upside as a center. Lauri is messed up in the head. He has the yips with his shooting. He was awful last year.
 


How many picks did you want again Daryl? You’ll take CJ and you’ll like it.

They'd still probably be better off with a GSW package. Wiggins+??
 
no they wouldn’t, Wiggins isn’t on CJs level.
Surely Wiggins would come with Wiseman and one or two of the lottery picks they just drafted.

and then they'd try to come back to us with Tobias Harris for CJ.
 
We know that Morey asked for:
Wiggins
Wiseman
Both the #7 and #14 (now Moody and Kuminga)
Two more first rounders
and Golden State said no. Do we know if they had any counter offer?

We also know that Steph, Klay and Draymond are YELLING at the FO to trade for Simmons. And what with the Lakers loading up, I can see GState softening. Right now the barrier is probably Lacob, or perhaps Myers.

Olshey is probably hoping this happens, because without Simmons out there, all the Dame trades look shit.
 
Simmons is just doing this so he doesn't have to work on his free throws. They can't nag him if they can't contact him!
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Surely Wiggins would come with Wiseman and one or two of the lottery picks they just drafted.

and then they'd try to come back to us with Tobias Harris for CJ.

Wiseman would purely just be an asset as philly has no need for him. At that point I’d rather take picks as those doesn’t depreciate the way players already drafted do.
 
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