Trade Ideas Thread (9 Viewers)

[Scalma]

Actually, it was the other way around, I gave you multiple box scores from early on in the season.

Nice try bud.

Ok “bud”

And these are games where ten guys, and only ten guys played.

 

[Scalma]

I bet if I cared enough (I already care more than I should) I could go back another year and see the same pattern. Stotts has big rotations early in the season until he shorterns it sometime after the new year. The only difference this season is the use of two separate “units”

 

[BonesJones]

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Ok “bud”

And these are games where ten guys, and only ten guys played.

Funnily enough, you wouldnt post the games only 9 guys played, and my point at the time was 9 guys regularly played and youd have a 10th guy here and there playing inconsistent spot minutes. Nothing here disproves that point.

 

[CupWizier]

Well I am on record as saying if Turner or Leonard could be traded for an expiring deal you do it no matter who the player coming back is so I agree with you there.

Only issue is, it's unlikely we will just get expiring contracts back without throwing in some filler and still would likely end up with a smaller bad contract and that would depend on how much and for how long. I'm patient enough to see what we could do with those contracts in the off season and worst case scenario have them come completely off the books after next season and we can reload. I just want to make sure we don't hamstring us further beyond the following off season and why I was against any deal for Parsons unless it's a min contract if he is put on waivers (safe to say he will clear waivers). I would only look to take back a longer term contract for a player that we would want to be a part of the team going forward.

 

[hoopsjock]

Only issue is, it's unlikely we will just get expiring contracts back without throwing in some filler and still would likely end up with a smaller bad contract and that would depend on how much and for how long. I'm patient enough to see what we could do with those contracts in the off season and worst case scenario have them come completely off the books after next season and we can reload. I just want to make sure we don't hamstring us further beyond the following off season and why I was against any deal for Parsons unless it's a min contract if he is put on waivers (safe to say he will clear waivers). I would only look to take back a longer term contract for a player that we would want to be a part of the team going forward.

Parsons expires at the same time as Leonard and Turner.

 

[CupWizier]

Parsons expires at the same time as Leonard and Turner.

Ah, that's right, but he's at 25 mil that last year and next to impossible to move (ask Memphis) where as Turner and Leonard are much more realistic. I would only be interested in Parsons off waivers and then gone next year. Turner/ Leonard > Parsons at this stage imo.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ah, that's right, but he's at 25 mil that last year and next to impossible to move (ask Memphis) where as Turner and Leonard are much more realistic. I would only be interested in Parsons off waivers and then gone next year. Turner/ Leonard > Parsons at this stage imo.

Are you taking the discussion from the "Chandler Parson's?" thread into this one that we discussed yesterday? I said I would take Parsons in that thread for Turner, Leonard, Swanigan if they also added a future 2nd round pick. I'd do this to save money this year and next year and to open up two roster spots. You pointed out that Memphis wouldn't go for that and I agreed noting that I was strictly talking about what it would take from Portland's perspective to consider it. Now here you are today rehashing it for some reason?

I mentioned Parsons in this thread in response to rather having him than Batum if we made the theoretical trade with Charlotte. I would try and trade Batum to Memphis for Parsons.

 

[CupWizier]

Are you taking the discussion from the "Chandler Parson's?" thread into this one that we discussed yesterday? I said I would take Parsons in that thread for Turner, Leonard, Swanigan if they also added a future 2nd round pick. I'd do this to save money this year and next year and to open up two roster spots. You pointed out that Memphis wouldn't go for that and I agreed noting that I was strictly talking about what it would take from Portland's perspective to consider it. Now here you are today rehashing it for some reason?

I mentioned Parsons in this thread in response to rather having him than Batum if we made the theoretical trade with Charlotte. I would try and trade Batum to Memphis for Parsons.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to bother you. Just having a discussion.

 

[hoopsjock]

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to bother you. Just having a discussion.

You're not bothering me, I was just curious where it came from today.

 

[Scalma]

Funnily enough, you wouldnt post the games only 9 guys played, and my point at the time was 9 guys regularly played and youd have a 10th guy here and there playing inconsistent spot minutes. Nothing here disproves that point.

So did he play with ten guys or not? You said he didn’t. Now you’ve pivoted, well only from time to time. Btw, those were just games I clicked. I’m not about to do a deep dive on the first half of last season to prove some kind of ultimately meaningless point, but congrats on getting the last word in as usual.

 

[BonesJones]

So did he play with ten guys or not? You said he didn’t. Now you’ve pivoted, well only from time to time. Btw, those were just games I clicked. I’m not about to do a deep dive on the first half of last season to prove some kind of ultimately meaningless point, but congrats on getting the last word in as usual.

I said he didn't have a 10-man rotation. Context is key.
When we had this discussion back then, I described why, despite some games had 10 players playing, it wasn't a true 10-man rotation.
Playing 13 guys in a blowout doesn't mean we have a 13-man rotation.

Was I right about him not having a 10-man rotation last year? Yes. Was I right about him not having a 10-man this year? No. Were you wrong about how Stauskas being good? Yes. Am I trying to trigger you? Possibly.

 

[Scalma]

I said he didn't have a 10-man rotation. Context is key.
When we had this discussion back then, I described why, despite some games had 10 players playing, it wasn't a true 10-man rotation.
Playing 13 guys in a blowout doesn't mean we have a 13-man rotation.

Was I right about him not having a 10-man rotation last year? Yes. Was I right about him not having a 10-man this year? No. Were you wrong about how Stauskas being good? Yes. Am I trying to trigger you? Possibly.

Congrats.

 

[BonesJones]

Congrats.

I love activating your snark.

 

[CupWizier]

You're not bothering me, I was just curious where it came from today.

No reason for your curiosity as I see nothing wrong with what I posted.

 

[RR7]

I know this has been complained about a ton on here, but why get happy about trying to trigger someone? That just drags down everything in here. And it's every thread. A simple disagreement just delves into long running feuds, and each one turns out the same until resurrected in a new thread. Woohoo.

 

[BonesJones]

I know this has been complained about a ton on here, but why get happy about trying to trigger someone? That just drags down everything in here. And it's every thread. A simple disagreement just delves into long running feuds, and each one turns out the same until resurrected in a new thread. Woohoo.

I've never heard you complain about HCP. This is what he does, just better.

 

[hoopsjock]

The Milwaukee Bucks are up now. They are a team that has some very interesting possibilities and could possibly want CJ. If any trades brought back Middleton or Brogdon I would do it even though there is a chance either could leave after this season (Brogdon is restricted though).

CJ, Aminu, and Swanigan for Middleton, Snell, and Ilyasova. This was a trade I saw on a Bucks board. I just like the way Middleton would fit on both ends with this team. Snell's contract isn't great but he's an okay wing off the bench. Ilyasova would fit well in this offense.

CJ, Swanigan, and Trent for George Hill, Thon Maker, and Malcolm Brogdon (Would have to wait until February 6th). The Bucks have basically given up on Thon. We could probably get him without CJ as a side note. George Hill could be waived in the summer and only counts $1 million against the cap next year. He'd be a solid PG on our 2nd unit. Looking at Brogdon's stats this year make me want him pretty bad. He's got a 62.3% True Shooting % and is shooting over 42% from 3 this year.

Like I said I could probably get behind any CJ trade that got us either Middleton or Brogdon.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Are we going to discuss Courtney Lee at every deadline until his carreer is over?

 

[Sarni]

Are we going to discuss Courtney Lee at every deadline until his carreer is over?

Yes. The idea of Courtney Lee being our savior is there to stay.

 

[Hoopguru]

The Milwaukee Bucks are up now. They are a team that has some very interesting possibilities and could possibly want CJ. If any trades brought back Middleton or Brogdon I would do it even though there is a chance either could leave after this season (Brogdon is restricted though).

CJ, Aminu, and Swanigan for Middleton, Snell, and Ilyasova. This was a trade I saw on a Bucks board. I just like the way Middleton would fit on both ends with this team. Snell's contract isn't great but he's an okay wing off the bench. Ilyasova would fit well in this offense.

CJ, Swanigan, and Trent for George Hill, Thon Maker, and Malcolm Brogdon (Would have to wait until February 6th). The Bucks have basically given up on Thon. We could probably get him without CJ as a side note. George Hill could be waived in the summer and only counts $1 million against the cap next year. He'd be a solid PG on our 2nd unit. Looking at Brogdon's stats this year make me want him pretty bad. He's got a 62.3% True Shooting % and is shooting over 42% from 3 this year.

Like I said I could probably get behind any CJ trade that got us either Middleton or Brogdon.

Why would Milwaukee give up Middleton? He seems to be really popular player there and a really good player>

 

[Scalma]

Speaking of Milwaukee I wonder what it would take to get Christian wood. He’s not in their rotation but he’s absolutely killing it in the g league averaging nearly 30 points a game. He’s also got a non guaranteed contract for next season. He’d fit into the Vonleh TPE.

Maker and DJ Wilson would interest me as well. I’d play any of the three over Meyers.

 

[James lamphear]

Speaking of Milwaukee I wonder what it would take to get Christian wood. He’s not in their rotation but he’s absolutely killing it in the g league averaging nearly 30 points a game. He’s also got a non guaranteed contract for next season. He’d fit into the Vonleh TPE.

Maker and DJ Wilson would interest me as well. I’d play any of the three over Meyers.

Who going to waive to use the TPE?

 

[blazedanugz]

The Milwaukee Bucks are up now. They are a team that has some very interesting possibilities and could possibly want CJ. If any trades brought back Middleton or Brogdon I would do it even though there is a chance either could leave after this season (Brogdon is restricted though).

CJ, Aminu, and Swanigan for Middleton, Snell, and Ilyasova. This was a trade I saw on a Bucks board. I just like the way Middleton would fit on both ends with this team. Snell's contract isn't great but he's an okay wing off the bench. Ilyasova would fit well in this offense.

CJ, Swanigan, and Trent for George Hill, Thon Maker, and Malcolm Brogdon (Would have to wait until February 6th). The Bucks have basically given up on Thon. We could probably get him without CJ as a side note. George Hill could be waived in the summer and only counts $1 million against the cap next year. He'd be a solid PG on our 2nd unit. Looking at Brogdon's stats this year make me want him pretty bad. He's got a 62.3% True Shooting % and is shooting over 42% from 3 this year.

Like I said I could probably get behind any CJ trade that got us either Middleton or Brogdon.

Give up CJ to get Brogdon..?
Look at all the likes this post got.

I’d do that too if we got Middleton along with brogdon

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Give up CJ to get Brogdon..?
Look at all the likes this post got.

I’d do that too if we got Middleton along with brogdon

Fun fact--Brogdon was drafted with one of the 2nd round picks we gave up to get Robin Lopez.

 

[wizenheimer]

Fun fact--Brogdon was drafted with one of the 2nd round picks we gave up to get Robin Lopez.

yeah...it's fun to track the evolution of assets involved in trades

before the trade deadline in 2011, the Blazers made that big trade when they landed Gerald Wallace for Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks and two first round picks. Seemed like a fair price, both ways, but it turned out that Wallace only added 6 wins to Portland's total in his stint as a Blazer if you go by winshares

the first pick Portland gave up was the 19th pick in the 2011 draft used on Tobias Harris. Portland acquired that 19th pick by trading Jerryd Bayless; and they got Bayless with the 11th pick by trading Jarret Jack and Josh McRoberts to Indiana along with a 13th pick. Jack was landed in the trade when Portland traded out of the 3rd spot in the 2005 draft bi-passing Chris Paul in favor of Martell Webster. McRoberts was added with a 2nd in the 2007 draft because he was good friends with the prize in that draft, Greg Oden, and KP thought that would make things better for Oden. Getting back to the 2011 draft, don't worry, Portland had their own 21st pick in that draft and this is what happened:

19 Tobias Harris
21 Nolan Smith
22 Kenneth Faried
23 Nikola Mirotic
24 Reggie Jackson
29 Cory Joseph
30 Jimmy Butler
31 Bojan Bogdanovic
38 Chandler Parsons

the result of that draft is that every Blazer fan knows what the standard is for worst PG in franchise history.

the second 1st Portland traded for Wallace ended up being the 24th pick in the 2014 draft Charlotte used on Shabazz Napier who a year later was traded to Orlando for a 2nd who a year later was traded to Portland for next to nothing.

all-in-all it looks like Portland fucked up that whole evolutionary track except for one minor detail:

Wallace was traded for Lillard, but in an indirect way, if you were prone to hyperbole, you could say Portland turned Jarret Jack into Dame

 

[CupWizier]

yeah...it's fun to track the evolution of assets involved in trades

before the trade deadline in 2011, the Blazers made that big trade when they landed Gerald Wallace for Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks and two first round picks. Seemed like a fair price, both ways, but it turned out that Wallace only added 6 wins to Portland's total in his stint as a Blazer if you go by winshares

the first pick Portland gave up was the 19th pick in the 2011 draft used on Tobias Harris. Portland acquired that 19th pick by trading Jerryd Bayless; and they got Bayless with the 11th pick by trading Jarret Jack and Josh McRoberts to Indiana along with a 13th pick. Jack was landed in the trade when Portland traded out of the 3rd spot in the 2005 draft bi-passing Chris Paul in favor of Martell Webster. McRoberts was added with a 2nd in the 2007 draft because he was good friends with the prize in that draft, Greg Oden, and KP thought that would make things better for Oden. Getting back to the 2011 draft, don't worry, Portland had their own 21st pick in that draft and this is what happened:

19 Tobias Harris
21 Nolan Smith
22 Kenneth Faried
23 Nikola Mirotic
24 Reggie Jackson
29 Cory Joseph
30 Jimmy Butler
31 Bojan Bogdanovic
38 Chandler Parsons

the result of that draft is that every Blazer fan knows what the standard is for worst PG in franchise history.

the second 1st Portland traded for Wallace ended up being the 24th pick in the 2014 draft Charlotte used on Shabazz Napier who a year later was traded to Orlando for a 2nd who a year later was traded to Portland for next to nothing.

all-in-all it looks like Portland fucked up that whole evolutionary track except for one minor detail:

Wallace was traded for Lillard, but in an indirect way, if you were prone to hyperbole, you could say Portland turned Jarret Jack into Dame

Didn't most teams pass on most of those players?

 

[Scalma]

I didn’t personally hear this, I don’t watch espn but there this. Just ignore the Billups quote.

 

[tester551]

Who going to waive to use the TPE?

Stauskas

Speaking of Milwaukee I wonder what it would take to get Christian wood. He’s not in their rotation but he’s absolutely killing it in the g league averaging nearly 30 points a game. He’s also got a non guaranteed contract for next season. He’d fit into the Vonleh TPE.

Maker and DJ Wilson would interest me as well. I’d play any of the three over Meyers.

I was pushing for Portland to sign him this fall as an UFA. He had a great summer & last season as well.

 

[hoopsjock]

Why would Milwaukee give up Middleton? He seems to be really popular player there and a really good player>

Middleton is an unrestricted free agent after this season so they are worried he could leave for nothing. Obviously we would have the same concerns, hence the risk and why the Bucks would consider it. I got directly from a Bucks site.

 

[hoopsjock]

Give up CJ to get Brogdon..?
Look at all the likes this post got.

I’d do that too if we got Middleton along with brogdon

Check out Brogdon's numbers. You can make a very legit case that he's better than CJ.