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TorturedBlazerFan said:
It's really not based on ignorant hate for him. I have never asserted if he's "close" with Woj or not, but the appearance has been that Woj seems to have a pretty direct line of communication with NO that is closer or at least more public than other GM's. NO has been on Woj's podcast, has done interviews with him, Woj has tweeted a lot of direct quotes from NO. So I believe people believe that Woj has at least at the least a pretty good relationship with NO. So it's not just oh I dislike NO so I fabricated up some story about him being close to Woj, there is actual evidence out there that Neil and Woj communicate fairly regularly. I'm sure Woj does that with a lot of GM's that's how he stays so in touch with what's going on. I am not even advocating that the two having a good relationship is a bad thing. It would make sense for NO to have good national media relationships.
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My post wasn't directed at you.
 
CupWizier said:
My post wasn't directed at you.
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I get that but I've openly said, even outside of just basketball NO's personality at times just drives me crazy. So I'm a good candidate for guys who "don't like NO". When it comes to NO I really have to remind myself he's made some pretty good moves too, it's hard to be "balanced" and look at it from a not shaded lens when I have a certain bias there because I just find his personality grating. On top of that to be fair to him what his personality is on Camera or on a podcast or whatever may not be a good representation of who he actually is.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I get that but I've openly said, even outside of just basketball NO's personality at times just drives me crazy. So I'm a good candidate for guys who "don't like NO". When it comes to NO I really have to remind myself he's made some pretty good moves too, it's hard to be "balanced" and look at it from a not shaded lens when I have a certain bias there because I just find his personality grating. On top of that to be fair to him what his personality is on Camera or on a podcast or whatever may not be a good representation of who he actually is.
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I think initially when he was hired in Portland Neil was more public and open- and visible. It didn’t resonate with people and it didn’t do him any good so he has stepped back. I think he’s a really smart guy and his roots are NY- and that rubs people sometimes the wrong way. I think he is of the mindset now where it’s like, “what’s the point in speaking and being open”, so he isn’t. This is a guy who grew up in NY, playing basketball growing up with guys like Mark Jackson and other New Yorkers and is somewhat old school. He doesn’t have much patience for bullshit even tho people think he’s the ultimate bullshitter. I don’t think he is, my opinion only. He has an ego no doubt and thinks he knows more than anyone else in the room. This rigidness will likely be his downfall imo. It’s why I wish he’d revamp the front office and bring in someone who opens his mind a bit.
 
calvin natt said:
I think initially when he was hired in Portland Neil was more public and open- and visible. It didn’t resonate with people and it didn’t do him any good so he has stepped back. I think he’s a really smart guy and his roots are NY- and that rubs people sometimes the wrong way. I think he is of the mindset now where it’s like, “what’s the point in speaking and being open”, so he isn’t. This is a guy who grew up in NY, playing basketball growing up with guys like Mark Jackson and other New Yorkers and is somewhat old school. He doesn’t have much patience for bullshit even tho people think he’s the ultimate bullshitter. I don’t think he is, my opinion only. He has an ego no doubt and thinks he knows more than anyone else in the room. This rigidness will likely be his downfall imo. It’s why I wish he’d revamp the front office and bring in someone who opens his mind a bit.
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You might be right, and I'm trying really hard to not just be down on NO and Stotts lately, so I'll just leave it at he hasn't ever been all that "likable" to me, but I realize I need to try to get out of my feelings when I evaluate how he has done at his job. He's done some good and some bad like literally all the rest of the GM's in the NBA. I like Stotts personality by the way. In my opinion, in order for my criticism to be meaningful, I have to take the time to understand their reasoning for doing things, to take a measured approach to things rather than the pitchfork style which is much easier to employ.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I can somewhat understand why people defend Stotts. If nothing else, he seems like a legit nice person. Olshey is both less than mediocre at his job AND a patronizing, condescending, bloviating, egotist.
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Imagine Olshey if he was the GM of a champion lolllll this board wouldn’t even exist.
 
I don’t really see a point in using our firsts to get rid of contracts that expire in 2020. Better use that pick to acquire a player that could maybe contribute off the bench after we get rid of all the contracts in 2020 (Meyers, Turner, Harkless all expire then). If we are to use a pick I would use it to acquire someone that could actually help us this season & beyond (Prince or any other young player).

Next year we might be able to use our bad contracts as salary fillers to acquire someone useful or even facilitate a 3-team deal to get some extra assets.
 
Sarni said:
I don’t really see a point in using our firsts to get rid of contracts that expire in 2020. Better use that pick to acquire a player that could maybe contribute off the bench after we get rid of all the contracts in 2020 (Meyers, Turner, Harkless all expire then). If we are to use a pick I would use it to acquire someone that could actually help us this season & beyond (Prince or any other young player).

Next year we might be able to use our bad contracts as salary fillers to acquire someone useful or even facilitate a 3-team deal to get some extra assets.
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That's why a lot of trades to dump salary include getting a guy like Prince too.
 
Two potential lottery picks for CJ, although it doesn't really save us much money until the summer of 2020:

Pelicans get Andre Drummond, Langston Galloway, and Caleb Swanigan (via Trade Exception)

Pistons get CJ McCollum, Julius Randle, Solomon Hill, and Nik Stauskas

Blazers get Reggie Jackson, Luke Kennard, Wesley Johnson (expiring), 2019 1st from Detroit, and 2019 1st from New Orleans


It sucks to get saddled with Reggie Jackson but having 3 1st round picks again this summer with all of them probably ending up better than the 3 we had in 2017 would be the reason for doing a move like this. Currently Detroit's pick is tied for 9th, New Orleans' pick is 11th, and our pick is #22. Maybe a 3rd team would think Reggie would still be an okay asset? Orlando maybe?
 
hoopsjock said:
Two potential lottery picks for CJ, although it doesn't really save us much money until the summer of 2020:

Pelicans get Andre Drummond, Langston Galloway, and Caleb Swanigan (via Trade Exception)

Pistons get CJ McCollum, Julius Randle, Solomon Hill, and Nik Stauskas

Blazers get Reggie Jackson, Luke Kennard, Wesley Johnson (expiring), 2019 1st from Detroit, and 2019 1st from New Orleans


It sucks to get saddled with Reggie Jackson but having 3 1st round picks again this summer with all of them probably ending up better than the 3 we had in 2017 would be the reason for doing a move like this. Currently Detroit's pick is tied for 9th, New Orleans' pick is 11th, and our pick is #22. Maybe a 3rd team would think Reggie would still be an okay asset? Orlando maybe?
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Do you think the Pelicans would want that many AD’s?
 
James lamphear said:
Especially when he not even starting I would maybe give a 2nd rounder
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he has always been a starter, he is just coming back from injury. Not sure why Atlanta would give up Prince who is locked for another year with just 3.5M for anything less than a 1st round pick. They can find somebody better at pick 40 or 50? Or they are that desperate because he is ruining their winning chances?
 
GDiama said:
he has always been a starter, he is just coming back from injury. Not sure why Atlanta would give up Prince who is locked for another year with just 3.5M for anything less than a 1st round pick. They can find somebody better at pick 40 or 50? Or they are that desperate because he is ruining their winning chances?
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Yeah exactly . They may as well keep him, he's definitely not a terrible player.
 
GDiama said:
he has always been a starter, he is just coming back from injury. Not sure why Atlanta would give up Prince who is locked for another year with just 3.5M for anything less than a 1st round pick. They can find somebody better at pick 40 or 50? Or they are that desperate because he is ruining their winning chances?
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But usually when a player that was starting and come back from injury they usually get starting position back this didn't happen with Prince. It might be he on minutes restrictions or they just like better. Now Prince can be a good team mate and accepted his reduce role and I hope that the case or he can start not liking his minutes reduction. But if I was a GM seeing you can't come back your starting position back on bad team I be dame that I give you a 1st for him. I like him as a player and I wouldn't mind get him but I don't know how big upgrade that he is over Layman and Harkless.
 
James lamphear said:
But usually when a player that was starting and come back from injury they usually get starting position back this didn't happen with Prince. It might be he on minutes restrictions or they just like better. Now Prince can be a good team mate and accepted his reduce role and I hope that the case or he can start not liking his minutes reduction. But if I was a GM seeing you can't come back your starting position back on bad team I be dame that I give you a 1st for him. I like him as a player and I wouldn't mind get him but I don't know how big upgrade that he is over Layman and Harkless.
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Outside of more consistent shooting, I’m not sure he is an upgrade. But consistent shooting is a pretty big thing, and I think there’s room for all three in the rotation.
 
Blake Griffin is playing too well for Detroit to dump. Putting up 26-8-5 on 48% FG and 36% from 3 this year. Just nuts.

His stats these past five games are even crazier. 33-7-5 on 51% FG
 
yuyuza1 said:
Blake Griffin is playing too well for Detroit to dump. Putting up 26-8-5 on 48% FG and 36% from 3 this year. Just nuts.

His stats these past five games are even crazier. 33-7-5 on 51% FG
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The only problem is that his play isn't translating into making the playoffs in a conference where the 8th seed is currently 22-24.
 
hoopsjock said:
The only problem is that his play isn't translating into making the playoffs in a conference where the 8th seed is currently 22-24.
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Still, the optics can't be easy for ownership to sell to their fans if they give him up for a dump and picks. Blake is playing at an all nba level this year. Too bad his team is so horrible.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Still, the optics can't be easy for ownership to sell to their fans if they give him up for a dump and picks. Blake is playing at an all nba level this year. Too bad his team is so horrible.
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It's crazy to me to think that Blake is playing as well as he is and still is clearly third in his own conference among forwards.
 
{I know this isn't going to happen}

I spoke to some fans of the other teams in my Blazers-Pistons-Pelicans trade and decided to simplify it. It seems worse for us but I'll get to why it may not be at the end.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkTCr5XmE

Pistons get CJ and Randle

Pelicans get Drummond and Nik Stauskas (via Trade Exception)

Blazers get Solomon Hill, Reggie Bullock, 2019 NO 1st, 2019 Det 1st, 2019 Det 2nd


Bullock would slide into CJ's spot in our starting lineup which I think is an okay stopgap. The picks we'd get are currently 9th (tie), 11th, and 39th plus we'd still own our own 1st which is currently 22nd. This would put us well below the tax line, allowing us not to worry about the financial costs of adding buyout players, and would generate a $12.5 Million trade exception that we'd have a year to use. Obviously this whole trade would come down to how we used the picks and financial benefits of the trade. This isn't the type of move the Blazers would make though.
 
hoopsjock said:
{I know this isn't going to happen}

I spoke to some fans of the other teams in my Blazers-Pistons-Pelicans trade and decided to simplify it. It seems worse for us but I'll get to why it may not be at the end.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkTCr5XmE

Pistons get CJ and Randle

Pelicans get Drummond and Nik Stauskas (via Trade Exception)

Blazers get Solomon Hill, Reggie Bullock, 2019 NO 1st, 2019 Det 1st, 2019 Det 2nd


Bullock would slide into CJ's spot in our starting lineup which I think is an okay stopgap. The picks we'd get are currently 9th (tie), 11th, and 39th plus we'd still own our own 1st which is currently 22nd. This would put us well below the tax line, allowing us not to worry about the financial costs of adding buyout players, and would generate a $12.5 Million trade exception that we'd have a year to use. Obviously this whole trade would come down to how we used the picks and financial benefits of the trade. This isn't the type of move the Blazers would make though.
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Much rather simplify it even further, send the Pistons CJ/Randle for Blake/Bullock, and send Zach+?? to NOP. But I'm just being silly here.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Much rather simplify it even further, send the Pistons CJ/Randle for Blake/Bullock, and send Zach+?? to NOP. But I'm just being silly here.
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Yeah, I was going off the assumption that their owner would be looking to build around Blake not trade him away.

Detroit fans really want Drummond gone.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah, I was going off the assumption that their owner would be looking to build around Blake not trade him away.

Detroit fans really want Drummond gone.
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Even if, though--Blake and Randle playing together? Doesn't seem like a fit.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Even if, though--Blake and Randle playing together? Doesn't seem like a fit.
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I got the idea from Detroit fans discussing trading Drummond to the Pelicans. Some of them thought they could actually get Holiday for Drummond. When that got shut down they settled on Randle, Hill and Wesley Johnson. Since I had discussed CJ trades with some of the same people so I threw out some 3 team suggestions that meant they still got a lead guard (which is why they wanted Holiday).
 
hoopsjock said:
{I know this isn't going to happen}

I spoke to some fans of the other teams in my Blazers-Pistons-Pelicans trade and decided to simplify it. It seems worse for us but I'll get to why it may not be at the end.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkTCr5XmE

Pistons get CJ and Randle

Pelicans get Drummond and Nik Stauskas (via Trade Exception)

Blazers get Solomon Hill, Reggie Bullock, 2019 NO 1st, 2019 Det 1st, 2019 Det 2nd


Bullock would slide into CJ's spot in our starting lineup which I think is an okay stopgap. The picks we'd get are currently 9th (tie), 11th, and 39th plus we'd still own our own 1st which is currently 22nd. This would put us well below the tax line, allowing us not to worry about the financial costs of adding buyout players, and would generate a $12.5 Million trade exception that we'd have a year to use. Obviously this whole trade would come down to how we used the picks and financial benefits of the trade. This isn't the type of move the Blazers would make though.
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Yeah, just not a fan, personally. I know we can fall off quickly, and all the teams are tight, but when have we ever seen a 4th seed sell off their 2nd best player, or 2nd best scorer, 3rd best player, for some picks? Especially when they're not an old team. And he's not an old player. I'm all for moving CJ if we can find the right fit for US. But selling Dame on hey, we're the 4th seed currently, playing decent, and we're going to throw away, for the most part, this season to get a couple of draft picks. Especially when, as has been mentioned, are 3 most recent draft picks are abunch of 19 year olds.
 
RR7 said:
Yeah, just not a fan, personally. I know we can fall off quickly, and all the teams are tight, but when have we ever seen a 4th seed sell off their 2nd best player, or 2nd best scorer, 3rd best player, for some picks? Especially when they're not an old team. And he's not an old player. I'm all for moving CJ if we can find the right fit for US. But selling Dame on hey, we're the 4th seed currently, playing decent, and we're going to throw away, for the most part, this season to get a couple of draft picks. Especially when, as has been mentioned, are 3 most recent draft picks are abunch of 19 year olds.
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Oh I completely agree, that is why I specifically said twice that it wouldn't happen and that the Blazers wouldn't do it.
 
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