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Pinwheel1 said:
This debate is so fucking tired and old.... how many times do we have to discuss it? last year it was if they couldn't get out of the first round then changes had to be made. Sorry that did not happen for some of you.

It its ridiculous to think you can't build around two good scorers. There are many ways to build a team. Surround them with 7 complimentary players who do play D. Besides Dame and CJ stepped it up on D against OKC and Denver. They proved they can do it as well.
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Why is it ridiculous?
 
blazerfan11 said:
Why is it ridiculous?
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Because in theory you could add 6 or 7 or even 10 players who compliment them both and end up with a really good team. Start thinking outside the box and stop thinking the only way to get better is to move one of them. So far the crazy CJ trade threads have not been any better.

CJ and Dame can be the two best scorers and others can be great at everything else.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Because in theory you could add 6 or 7 or even 10 players who compliment them both and end up with a really good team. Start thinking outside the box and stop thinking the only way to get better is to move one of them. So far the crazy CJ trade threads have not been any better.

CJ and Dame can be the two best scorers and others can be great at everything else.
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I think the problem for some of us is the “in theory” part. No NBA team has had two shortish guards where one of them isn’t a plus defender. Toronto was probably the closest ever, but there are many more examples where the short guard didn’t work.

Now, I do agree that the 3-focused NBA is a different beast than in the past. But, I would still like to have a 2 that contributed more on the defensive end when his shot wasn’t falling.

I think it is clear that for Dame and CJ to work, the rest of the team must be plus defenders.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Are we really building around CJ and Dame? To me that would be a huge mistake. I don’t know any great teams where neither of their building blocks were notable defenders.
Unfortunately, this could be reality.
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blazerfan11 said:
Townes is a very good big man on a poorly run and coached team. He’s one of the toughest guys in the league to defend, and when the Blazer play the Wolves I’m always hoping he doesn’t get the ball in a clutch situation.
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Why would you be in favor of a Dame/Towns pairing if you believe that one of a team's two building blocks should be a notable defender? It's interesting that your statement in support of Towns focuses on his offense, specifically naming a quality that is also true of CJ.

Your arguments are not consistent with one another.
 
Reep said:
I think the problem for some of us is the “in theory” part. No NBA team has had two shortish guards where one of them isn’t a plus defender. Toronto was probably the closest ever, but there are many more examples where the short guard didn’t work.

Now, I do agree that the 3-focused NBA is a different beast than in the past. But, I would still like to have a 2 that contributed more on the defensive end when his shot wasn’t falling.

I think it is clear that for Dame and CJ to work, the rest of the team must be plus defenders.
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I think this might be true. We are structured that way now though.
 
Reep said:
I think the problem for some of us is the “in theory” part. No NBA team has had two shortish guards where one of them isn’t a plus defender. Toronto was probably the closest ever, but there are many more examples where the short guard didn’t work.

Now, I do agree that the 3-focused NBA is a different beast than in the past. But, I would still like to have a 2 that contributed more on the defensive end when his shot wasn’t falling.

I think it is clear that for Dame and CJ to work, the rest of the team must be plus defenders.
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This is what I am saying. Get a bunch of plus defenders to surround them. But you know what does not exactly make us better.....substituting CJ for another shooting guard who might be better on D but who is a worse shooter. This does not make us worse but it does not make us better either. Either way you still have to fill the roster with better players. The obsession with fixing our guard psoiton has never made sense to me. Fix the positions that are below average not the position that is above average.
 
tlongII said:
I think this might be true. We are structured that way now though.
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Agreed. We had the defenders before, but now we have defenders that are better able to punish double teams on Dame.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This is what I am saying. Get a bunch of plus defenders to surround them. But you know what does not exactly make us better.....substituting CJ for another shooting guard who might be better on D but who is a worse shooter. This does not make us worse but it does not make us better either. Either way you still have to fill the roster with better players. The obsession with fixing our guard psoiton has never made sense to me. Fix the positions that are below average not the position that is above average.
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I understand your point, and admit you might be right. However, I don't agree that CJ is necessarily a position of strength. When he is hitting his shots, certainly he is. But, when he is having an off night, he doesn't really offer much else to the team, and unlike Dame, doesn't seem to realize when he is off that he should probably pass more to players that are hot. Hopefully he matures this year like Dame has. Every year Dame works on his weaknesses. If CJ could up his defense to Dame level then I think the rest could work.
 
illmatic99 said:
with a hope and a prayer?

Offer em Zach/Simons/2 first rounders and take on Wiggins deal while giving them salary relief?
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All our youth, picks and expirings for all their long-term salary? Sure would save them a ton of money, but I don't see them being on board.

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LayneStaley said:
Zach and Simons could easily end up being the 2 best players in that trade.

And I’m a UK guy and like Towns a lot.
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Towns might become the best offensive big man EVER if he sustains his current run. His efficiency on offense is elite.
 
LayneStaley said:
Simons probably already should be, we are gonna need him when we trade CJ before his extension.
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Dame-Simons-Wiggins-Towns-Nurkic wins 55-60 games every year if healthy.

CJ + Zach for Towns + Wiggins. It doesn't work yet and would take some manuevering after we open up some space next year, but that would be the general framework. Who says no? I think I have an irrational attachment to Towns though, so I'm prolly biased. But the guy is 23 and has had a 23-26 PER with 50/40/85 splits pretty much every year of his career. At his size and skill, he'd be a nasty complement to Nurk and Dame.
 
I’ll throw out a trade idea, I haven’t read all 164 pages so it’s probably been mentioned but what about Whiteside for LA at the deadline? I have a funny feeling San Antonio’s playoff run is over. It would be a season and half rental since he’s a FA in 20-21, which means we aren’t paying him past his age 35 season. Of course I’d only do this if Nurk comes back 100%.
 
LayneStaley said:
I’ll throw out a trade idea, I haven’t read all 164 pages so it’s probably been mentioned but what about Whiteside for LA at the deadline? I have a funny feeling San Antonio’s playoff run is over. It would be a season and half rental since he’s a FA in 20-21, which means we aren’t paying him past his age 35 season. Of course I’d only do this if Nurk comes back 100%.
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Spurs have given no indication that they're gonna give up. Won't happen til Pop retires.
 
Simons
Okogie
Culver/Little/Layman
Covington/Bates-Diop
Collins/Dieng

+$50M in cap space

Would be a heck of a quick teardown/rebuild for the Wolves.

(Just trying to convince myself it's possible...)
 
illmatic99 said:
Spurs have given no indication that they're gonna give up. Won't happen til Pop retires.
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Yes I know but if they are sitting in 10th or 11th place by next years deadline you don’t think they would consider shedding a 34 year old LA’s 25 mil contract?
 
Timberwolves will never part with Towns. Wiggins is horribly overpaid and has no motor. I also worry about Towns motivation. He can have stretches where he plays like he doesn't care. Hell, I would too seeing how they have no chance of being anything.

I am becoming more and more convinced that real success, i.e. the finals, this season will be determined by the extent that Zach and Anfernee can become ~household names (by those who follow the game closely). Zach needs to be averaging a double double, or thereabouts, and a couple of blocks a game. Anfernee needs to take home 15+ a night and a handful of boards + assists.

Nas won't see any time this year. Trent could make a leap but I just don't see it happening for some reason; doubt Stotts will put him in much.
 
LayneStaley said:
Yes I know but if they are sitting in 10th or 11th place by next years deadline you don’t think they would consider shedding a 34 year old LA’s 25 mil contract?
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Sure, but when have the Spurs been that bad? Until their downfall actually happens, I'm not holding my breath. They're getting back a guy who I think will be MIP next year in Murray.
 
illmatic99 said:
Sure, but when have the Spurs been that bad? Until their downfall actually happens, I'm not holding my breath. They're getting back a guy who I think will be MIP next year in Murray.
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Its been decades but man I just don’t see them making the playoffs this year. Maybe an 8 seed but I don’t even really believe that. I also see LA pouting there if they are on the outside or headed that direction and maybe they send him back to Portland for cap relief and a pick. I’m not sure i even wanna pay a 35 year old LA but it’s one season compared to all these guys like Love and BG who we would be strapped to for the next 3 - 4 years, and he’s cheaper.
 
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