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CJ, Collins and Simons

To Brooklyn, for

Caris LaVert and Dinwiddie

then trade Ariza (expiring contract) and Whiteside (sign & trade?) to a San Antonio for Aldridge and pick.

I’d re-Sign Melo.
 
I wonder if NY would be interested in CJ, or if they'd rather keep a flexible cap to go after Giannis or some other big name FA.

Cuz if they are interested, then this trade wouldn't be as bad for them as the Porzingis trade by a significant margin:
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(I would want to send Randle on somewhere else, though, as he's not exactly a team player.)
 
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BoomChakaLaka said:
CJ, Collins and Simons

To Brooklyn, for

Caris LaVert and Dinwiddie

then trade Ariza (expiring contract) and Whiteside (sign & trade?) to a San Antonio for Aldridge and pick.

I’d re-Sign Melo.
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Why would Brooklyn want CJ after Levert so thoroughly outplayed him? The knocks on Levert are selfishness and defense. Well, he averaged 6.7 assists in the bubble, and if you're looking for an upgrade on defense, you don't look at CJ. Also, can Brooklyn afford to shift Dinwiddie given Kyrie's notorious fragility?
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
CJ, Collins and Simons

To Brooklyn, for

Caris LaVert and Dinwiddie

then trade Ariza (expiring contract) and Whiteside (sign & trade?) to a San Antonio for Aldridge and pick.

I’d re-Sign Melo.
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The Brooklyn trade is no where close to matching in salaries so no way that would work.

why would SA do that, if they wanted Whiteside they can just sign him?
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
CJ, Collins and Simons

To Brooklyn, for

Caris LaVert and Dinwiddie

then trade Ariza (expiring contract) and Whiteside (sign & trade?) to a San Antonio for Aldridge and pick.

I’d re-Sign Melo.
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I'd throw my left kidney into the deal with Brooklyn but I don't see how it gets done.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why would Brooklyn want CJ after Levert so thoroughly outplayed him? The knocks on Levert are selfishness and defense. Well, he averaged 6.7 assists in the bubble, and if you're looking for an upgrade on defense, you don't look at CJ. Also, can Brooklyn afford to shift Dinwiddie given Kyrie's notorious fragility?
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I think CJ fits with Kyrie/Durant better than LeVert, just because of his offensive flexibility and is a better catch and shoot player. However, Dinwiddie isn’t going anywhere because you’re 100% right on Kyrie.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
CJ, Collins and Simons

To Brooklyn, for

Caris LaVert and Dinwiddie

then trade Ariza (expiring contract) and Whiteside (sign & trade?) to a San Antonio for Aldridge and pick.

I’d re-Sign Melo.
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Gross.

Dinwiddie is a below-average shooter and terrible defender.

Levert cant defend and is a questionable shooter.

LaMarcus isnt a good defender at PF anymore and is a 1uestionabke 3pt shooter.

Seems like a bunch of players that dont fit Dame.

We cant just "sign and trade" Whiteside to San Antonio.
 
Who says no?

POR gets: Kevin Love, Josh Richardson, #5

CLE gets: Tobias Harris, #16, Zach Collins, future PHI 1st

PHI gets: CJ McCollum, Dante Exum, future POR 2nd

With the 5th pick, grab Deni Advija and have him be the primary/secondary playmaker off the bench with a backup pg and work him up starting sf in year 2. Now use the MLE to sign a backup pg and 2 bigs.

Dame/(Augustine? Napier?)/(Tre Jones?)
Richardson/Trent/Simons
Ariza/Advija/Hood
Love/(Green?)/Little
Nurkic/(Noel?)/Gabriel

?’s are just some names that come to mind for who I think we can get in combination that would fill the MLE or come on a vet min like Augustine or Napier. Jones in the 2nd round or buying a pick for Manion would be a strong move as well.

I also think with Ariza’s expiring, Richardson’s PO, Simons’s and Little’s rookie contracts, 2 backup bigs, and picks available, there is enough to find an upgraded big 3 and D guy like Porter/Covington/the Boston 3/etc.

Btw, first post! Big community, I hope to be able to have Blazers conversations more often!
 
pougie said:
Who says no?

POR gets: Kevin Love, Josh Richardson, #5

CLE gets: Tobias Harris, #16, Zach Collins, future PHI 1st

PHI gets: CJ McCollum, Dante Exum, future POR 2nd

With the 5th pick, grab Deni Advija and have him be the primary/secondary playmaker off the bench with a backup pg and work him up starting sf in year 2. Now use the MLE to sign a backup pg and 2 bigs.

Dame/(Augustine? Napier?)/(Tre Jones?)
Richardson/Trent/Simons
Ariza/Advija/Hood
Love/(Green?)/Little
Nurkic/(Noel?)/Gabriel

?’s are just some names that come to mind for who I think we can get in combination that would fill the MLE or come on a vet min like Augustine or Napier. Jones in the 2nd round or buying a pick for Manion would be a strong move as well.

I also think with Ariza’s expiring, Richardson’s PO, Simons’s and Little’s rookie contracts, 2 backup bigs, and picks available, there is enough to find an upgraded big 3 and D guy like Porter/Covington/the Boston 3/etc.

Btw, first post! Big community, I hope to be able to have Blazers conversations more often!
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happy to be your first "like". Welcome to the board--I hope you enjoy it here.

I'm not exactly sure why Philly would be on board with dealing Richardson and Harris and a first for CJ and filler. IMO, they would be the ones to say no to your proposal.

'Course I could be wrong if Philly is really looking to blow things up, but it just seems like too little for them.
 
Shabazz is small but proven to be a solid PG off the bench. Plus portland already has the fucking shabazz song. Noel is having a good year for OKC. Seems like all those concerns about his attitude and heart were BS. Dude is so perfect for lobs. AND I have never seen him try a 3. Knows his role.
 
pougie said:
Who says no?

POR gets: Kevin Love, Josh Richardson, #5

CLE gets: Tobias Harris, #16, Zach Collins, future PHI 1st

PHI gets: CJ McCollum, Dante Exum, future POR 2nd

With the 5th pick, grab Deni Advija and have him be the primary/secondary playmaker off the bench with a backup pg and work him up starting sf in year 2. Now use the MLE to sign a backup pg and 2 bigs.

Dame/(Augustine? Napier?)/(Tre Jones?)
Richardson/Trent/Simons
Ariza/Advija/Hood
Love/(Green?)/Little
Nurkic/(Noel?)/Gabriel

?’s are just some names that come to mind for who I think we can get in combination that would fill the MLE or come on a vet min like Augustine or Napier. Jones in the 2nd round or buying a pick for Manion would be a strong move as well.

I also think with Ariza’s expiring, Richardson’s PO, Simons’s and Little’s rookie contracts, 2 backup bigs, and picks available, there is enough to find an upgraded big 3 and D guy like Porter/Covington/the Boston 3/etc.

Btw, first post! Big community, I hope to be able to have Blazers conversations more often!
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kudos for sticking your neck out on your first post.
 
Trying to think through moves with the TPE. But just don't see a whole lot there that's appealing. Maybe if a team were getting rid of a young guy ala Harkless when we landed him, but otherwise, not a lot of appealing veteran options under 7.1 million. Trey Lyles, Reggie Bullock maybe
 
PtldPlatypus said:
happy to be your first "like". Welcome to the board--I hope you enjoy it here.

I'm not exactly sure why Philly would be on board with dealing Richardson and Harris and a first for CJ and filler. IMO, they would be the ones to say no to your proposal.

'Course I could be wrong if Philly is really looking to blow things up, but it just seems like too little for them.
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Hmm interesting take, because I have viewed Horford and Harris as both net-negative salaries but it seems like you see Harris as a positive. I looked at their end of the deal as you can get off the Harris deal and bring in a shooter who had has playoff experience and can space the floor. For all of CJ’s faults, one thing you can count on is that he’ll show up when it counts the majority of the time and what he brings is what they need more than anything right now. They can also probably hide him better on defense with Simmons, Embiid, and Thybulle. I saw Exum as an expiring to help PHI with their cap situation and I think if all it takes is a first rounder, it’s a good deal for them.

They might never be able to move off Horford’s contract and never improve their chances of winning with the Embiid/Simmons duo. You’re also getting into a significantly better cap situation in the deal. CJ’s contract is significantly smaller contract (an average of $5M difference in salary every year for 4 more years, WOW). Exum’s $8M expiring also helps with their salary situation. Giving up a pick that will be around the mid-20’s anyway will significantly improve their chances to win with Embiid and Simmons despite Horford’s contract imo.

What more do you think PHI would want? If they ask for a Simons-Smith swap, I would do that as well.
 
My favorite setup move to the rest of the off-season is still:

SAC Gets: #16
POR Gets: Bjelica (TPE), #35

Would make the rest of the off-season so much easier by filling the backup 4 spot without using any of the MLE.

Our lineup going into free agency would be:
Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Ariza / Hood
Collins or MLE / Bjelica
Nurkic / Collins or MLE

Basically we could use the MLE on a starting 4 or a backup 5, with Collins filling the other position. We'd have a set rotation even if we lost Whiteside.

Could also pursue an (unlikely) Ariza for Jerami Grant sign and trade, and if that somehow happened then we could use the MLE on a SF (Harkless?)

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Harkless / Hood
Grant / Bjelica
Nurkic / Collins

Regardless, I feel like that initial Bjelica move would give us a ton of flexibility going into free agency, would allow us to lose Whiteside and be able to replace him, and would give us three 40% 3pt shooters off the bench.
 
Fuck Harkless, I like the rest though. I’d like to have Ariza and Grant, not sure it’s possible but...

Dame
CJ/Trent
Ariza/Hood
Grant/WG
Nurk/Collins

looks decent to me.
 
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BonesJones said:
My favorite setup move to the rest of the off-season is still:

SAC Gets: #16
POR Gets: Bjelica (TPE), #35
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Am curious to see what happens with Bjelica. He signed with Philly, then backed out, with the intention of heading back to Europe. Then Sacramento came in with a bigger offer and kept him here. Now, Vlade is gone. I had seen a rumor somewhere that they might not guarantee his contract for next year, which seems ridiculous. But, if thats an option to them, or him, does he go back to europe?
 
RR7 said:
Am curious to see what happens with Bjelica. He signed with Philly, then backed out, with the intention of heading back to Europe. Then Sacramento came in with a bigger offer and kept him here. Now, Vlade is gone. I had seen a rumor somewhere that they might not guarantee his contract for next year, which seems ridiculous. But, if thats an option to them, or him, does he go back to europe?
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It's an option to them and itd be silly for them not too. I think he'd like playing in Portland.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I wonder if NY would be interested in CJ, or if they'd rather keep a flexible cap to go after Giannis or some other big name FA.

Cuz if they are interested, then this trade wouldn't be as bad for them as the Porzingis trade by a significant margin:
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(I would want to send Randle on somewhere else, though, as he's not exactly a team player.)
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I’d like to think about this move. Not bad - but I’d keep Randle, especially if we don’t retain Melo and Whiteside
 
BonesJones said:
My favorite setup move to the rest of the off-season is still:

SAC Gets: #16
POR Gets: Bjelica (TPE), #35

Would make the rest of the off-season so much easier by filling the backup 4 spot without using any of the MLE.

Our lineup going into free agency would be:
Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Ariza / Hood
Collins or MLE / Bjelica
Nurkic / Collins or MLE

Basically we could use the MLE on a starting 4 or a backup 5, with Collins filling the other position. We'd have a set rotation even if we lost Whiteside.

Could also pursue an (unlikely) Ariza for Jerami Grant sign and trade, and if that somehow happened then we could use the MLE on a SF (Harkless?)

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Harkless / Hood
Grant / Bjelica
Nurkic / Collins

Regardless, I feel like that initial Bjelica move would give us a ton of flexibility going into free agency, would allow us to lose Whiteside and be able to replace him, and would give us three 40% 3pt shooters off the bench.
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Grant should be our top target. He would improve this team so much and fit with our guys as well. And I initially didn’t like that trade for Bjelica but once you explained why, I say why not lol. He would be huge off of the bench. We would have Trent, Hood, and Bjelica off of the bench lighting other teams up from 3 point land. They’re all literally a 40% 3 point shooter. And with that #35 and our pick we could trade up for a late 1st rounder and get Tre Jones. You got some good ideas
 
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LayneStaley said:
I no longer see Collins as a starting 4 on a championship level team. I’d like him backing up 4 and 5 off the bench though, unless he’s needed in a trade to obtain starter level caliber players.

Its time to call around and see what Collins/CJ/Simons/16th pick is worth.
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100%
 
LayneStaley said:
I no longer see Collins as a starting 4 on a championship level team. I’d like him backing up 4 and 5 off the bench though, unless he’s needed in a trade to obtain starter level caliber players.

Its time to call around and see what Collins/CJ/Simons/16th pick is worth.
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I never understood what anyone saw in Collins. When Olshey dumped Ed Davis to start Collins, I complained a lot on the board. Ed Davis was much tougher, an experienced and taller Wenyen Gabriel.
 
LayneStaley said:
I no longer see Collins as a starting 4 on a championship level team. I’d like him backing up 4 and 5 off the bench though, unless he’s needed in a trade to obtain starter level caliber players.

Its time to call around and see what Collins/CJ/Simons/16th pick is worth.
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How can you judge Zach when he hasn’t even started more than 10 games?? He’s so young and hasn’t had a full season to prove himself yet.
 
damianlillard said:
Grant should be our top target. He would improve this team so much and fit with our guys as well. And I initially didn’t like that trade for Bjelica but once you explained why, I say why not lol. He would be huge off of the bench. We would have Trent, Hood, and Bjelica off of the bench lighting other teams up from 3 point land. They’re all literally a 40% 3 point shooter. And with that #35 and our pick we could trade up for a late 1st rounder and get Tre Jones. You got some good ideas
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Yeah only problem is it'll be hard to get Grant.

That bench would be loaded with Whiteside or with a C replacement with the MLE.

And thank you, I try! Haha
 
jlprk said:
I never understood what anyone saw in Collins. When Olshey dumped Ed Davis to start Collins, I complained a lot on the board. Ed Davis was much tougher, an experienced and taller Wenyen Gabriel.
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Ed Davis is nothing like Wenyen, and Olshey didn't dump Ed to "start" Zach since Aminu was still there.
 
BonesJones said:
Olshey didn't dump Ed to "start" Zach since Aminu was still there.
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All my opponent Collins fans disagreed at the time, with what you're saying now. Convince them before you try to convince me.
 
jlprk said:
All my opponent Collins fans disagreed at the time, with what you're saying now. Convince them before you try to convince me.
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They got rid of Ed to play Zach at the backup 5. Lay off the drugs.
 
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